akathy
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Post by akathy on Oct 22, 2015 0:08:18 GMT
"I'm sorry you are obviously offended by my answer. But I truly think you are doing your child a disservice by not encouraging her to come up with a solution that SHE can do versus continuing to expect someone else to do it." ---------------------------------------------------- LOL! I am so not offended. I am just LOL'ing at some of the response's. Some of you have obviously not been around teen girls. What you mentioned as a solution just would not cross their minds when out shopping at Target. That's why I said that. She IS dealing with it on her own. I am NOT getting involved. I am just asking WHEN others would. Yes, if they don't get any results by going to the housing coordinator, and then the facilities director, I will advise her further. Frankly I think she's doing a great job. The whole tampon thing was put in their to explain just how these girls are. AND this was at a different dorm last yr, not even the same one, or same girls. I've been around lots of teen girls. I raised two and I got married at 19. We all knew how and where to get cleaning supplies and how to clean. I think you're using the "teen girl" thing as an excuse. Give your DD more credit than that. If she didn't bother to clean it up it was because she didn't want to not because she's a teen.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 22, 2015 0:11:41 GMT
Yep, I will tell her to do that if the problem continues. I am not going to have my kid buy gloves, etc to clean the dorm bathrooms, sorry. If the problem cont's she will cont to address it to whoever it needs to be addressed too. If she's going to clean the bathrooms she dang well is going to get paid to do it, or whoever IS getting paid for it, is going to do it.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 22, 2015 0:13:15 GMT
She very well probably didn't want too kathy, I don't blame her. I don't think many of us as teen girls would. Now, as an adult, 30 yrs later, yea, I would. but ewwwwwww
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Post by STBC on Oct 22, 2015 0:18:04 GMT
<<---cleaned bathrooms at college for two years And I am sure you cleaned them more then 1x a month! ha. Honestly she is no where near a Target or place to get gloves. Like Michelle said, these colleges are in residential areas, and she has no car. She pretty much stays on campus. It's more about, what we should expect from a college,paying for tuition and how the kids should handle it, and when we as parents should think about getting involved. Um ... Don't know how many times plastic bag has to be mentioned. She doesn't have to buy gloves, but she doesn't have to live in filth either. If she can handle working at a front desk, she can solve this problem on her own.
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Post by mom on Oct 22, 2015 0:18:31 GMT
The issue mainly here is that we are paying good money for her to live in the dorms. Expecting that the area would be cleaned at least weekly? let alone every other day I would think? I don't think it's too much to ask. And like I have said, she IS dealing with it. I just wondered how many other college parents would think this wasn't expected? I think we all agree it is. I like how the Ps just latch on to something totally irrelevant though..ie the tampon..OOh, look! there's a puppy! Thanks to those that stayed on topic though. Good discussion! You brought it up. Don't post things if you don't want them discussed.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 22, 2015 0:21:41 GMT
I'm fine with it. discuss away. Look KITTIES!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2015 0:32:59 GMT
And I am sure you cleaned them more then 1x a month! ha. Honestly she is no where near a Target or place to get gloves. Like Michelle said, these colleges are in residential areas, and she has no car. She pretty much stays on campus. It's more about, what we should expect from a college,paying for tuition and how the kids should handle it, and when we as parents should think about getting involved. Um ... Don't know how many times plastic bag has to be mentioned. She doesn't have to buy gloves, but she doesn't have to live in filth either. If she can handle working at a front desk, she can solve this problem on her own. Umm...sorry I didn't include that option. Just trying to make a point sometimes you have to literally deal with shit when it's not your problem.
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Post by Really Red on Oct 22, 2015 0:36:25 GMT
Honestly, not your DD's job to clean. That is what you are paying for.
I would not step in (2 girls who are freshman at college - one has to clean her own shared bathroom with 4 girls, the other shares with a hall)
I would help her write notes to whomever she needed and maybe tell her what steps to take if everything she did, did not work.
It sucks. It's wrong (you are paying room and board!). But in the end, it's your DD's job to fix.
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Post by jcmom04 on Oct 22, 2015 0:37:00 GMT
I totally get (and respect) that you are paying for her college.
That said, there needs to be a line (a time) where you recognize that, good or bad, your daughter has to be able to handle these types of things on her own.
I agree with a poster much earlier that said if health and/or safety are at risk then our children, no matter their age, may want their parents at their side.
But in this situation she may gain much more (confidence, skills, knowledge, ability to push up a chain of command) by you remaining silent. Skills like this usually can't be taught but only learned by doing in the real world.
Hope it all turns out well!!
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Post by elaine on Oct 22, 2015 0:45:58 GMT
I know that this is a very complex and difficult concept, but one could both clean the one bathroom/stall one uses regularly in the short term so one doesn't live in filth, AND AT THE SAME time continue to push up the chain for a long-term solution that involves the campus contracted cleaning service.
Complex, I know. But I trust that college students should be up for the challenge.
And honestly, I completely disagree with teaching young adults the lesson that if you aren't being paid for it, you should never jump in, literally roll up your sleeves, and help resolve a crisis temporarily. What a sad world it would be if everyone thought that way.
But, since this isn't the point of view that the OP wants to hear, I am prepared to have this response dismissed in yet one more snide way.
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Post by merry on Oct 22, 2015 1:01:00 GMT
OP, I do want to thank you for starting a thread that has made me laugh several times! I'm not totally sure anyone IS paying for housekeeping when they pay for college. I don't recall any documents with fine print saying that they provide cleaning services at any certain interval in the dorms, Maybe I drank too much back then, because I don't remember anything about the state of any bathrooms I used 25 years ago, except the fraternity ones (always that vomit mixed with beer smell.)  Grad school bathrooms were even worse, I think.
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Post by scrapApea on Oct 22, 2015 1:11:00 GMT
utmr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!! THANK YOU!! standing ovation! You get it!! exactly! thank you! Finally a voice of reason.  WOW just what I was thinking. The problem is not your daughter not cleaning, it's the cleaning crew not doing their job.
OP - I wouldn't necessarily call myself since you said your DD has been working on getting something done. BUT if she asks you, I would give her advice of email wordings and who to call, how often to call, how to work her way up the chain to get this resolved. ( I would NOT advise her to clean the bathrooms. Take her Lysol wipes or disinfectant spray if she needs to use something herself but sorry, it's NOT her job to clean them, someone is slacking and getting paid for a job they're not doing. ) Reminds me of the lunchroom at work. If you don't go after the pigs, they just expect someone else to do this stuff for them.
I do wonder though... Where does the toilet paper come from ? How does that get restocked if housekeeping doesn't show up?
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 22, 2015 1:12:17 GMT
OP, I do want to thank you for starting a thread that has made me laugh several times! I'm not totally sure anyone IS paying for housekeeping when they pay for college. I don't recall any documents with fine print saying that they provide cleaning services at any certain interval in the dorms, Maybe I drank too much back then, because I don't remember anything about the state of any bathrooms I used 25 years ago, except the fraternity ones (always that vomit mixed with beer smell.)  Grad school bathrooms were even worse, I think I am pretty sure housekeeping and up keep of the dorms is part of their housing costs. Don't ya think? and I am pretty sure the workers have a set schedule to clean the bathrooms that is more then 1x a month. Being that other areas are being cleaned. Who said these aren't grad bathrooms?? LOL Whoever said the nasty comment about using the other stalls, or whatever, yea, I'm pretty sure that is what is being done. There is more then 1 stall in a dorm bathroom. I guess what I don't like about threads like this is why can't we post suggestions, thoughts, etc, without name calling? like lazy? or other things? I mean. I have NO idea what went thru these girls minds when they saw the tampon on the floor for a wk. No idea. WHO knows. But I would not have called them lazy, or stupid, or whatever else. And yes I did post this here for discussion and have gotten lots of good suggestions! thanks!
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 22, 2015 1:12:52 GMT
I do wonder though... Where does the toilet paper come from ? How does that get restocked if housekeeping doesn't show up? I think they just have not been using that stall.
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Post by mom on Oct 22, 2015 1:19:14 GMT
I know that this is a very complex and difficult concept, but one could both clean the one bathroom/stall one uses regularly in the short term so one doesn't live in filth, AND AT THE SAME time continue to push up the chain for a long-term solution that involves the campus contracted cleaning service. Complex, I know. But I trust that college students should be up for the challenge. And honestly, I completely disagree with teaching young adults the lesson that if you aren't being paid for it, you should never jump in, literally roll up your sleeves, and help resolve a crisis temporarily. What a sad world it would be if everyone thought that way. But, since this isn't the point of view that the OP wants to hear, I am prepared to have this response dismissed in yet one more snide way.  So just on the off chance I didn't understand teenage girls - you know, since I don't have my own - I called my niece. She is 19 and is a Junior at Baylor. Her comment was that if the toilet was so bad that it bothered her, she would clean it herself. She didn't understand the big deal. She compared it to trash along the highway. If she were running and came across coke cans, etc on her run, she would pick them up and throw them away. No they weren't hers. And yes it is 'someones' job to do it but why not take 5 min and pick it up and dispose of it when you see it.
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Post by RiverIsis on Oct 22, 2015 1:19:18 GMT
I think ANY college RA would do that. If the college is deeming it biohazard, they have to follow the specific policy, and trust me...state colleges,drinking and nasty dorms are WAY worse. I went to a state school and our bathrooms were sparkling clean. We all knew the cleaning crew and treated them with respect. They were a part of our living just like an RA etc.
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Post by RiverIsis on Oct 22, 2015 1:21:06 GMT
And I am sure you cleaned them more then 1x a month! ha. Honestly she is no where near a Target or place to get gloves. Like Michelle said, these colleges are in residential areas, and she has no car. She pretty much stays on campus. It's more about, what we should expect from a college,paying for tuition and how the kids should handle it, and when we as parents should think about getting involved. My point is, document the evidence. Take a picture. Contact the RA or whoever is in charge of the bathrooms. Request gloves. They come in all sizes! If that goes nowhere, she surely knows one student who owns a car who might be able to take her off campus. It's not her job, but until the shit gets taken care of, make the bathrooms livable. I would think there would be a janitorial closet in the building. Very seldom do those supplies travel dorm to dorm. I would ask the RA to find out if you can get supplies directly from the closet in an emergency.
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 22, 2015 1:34:34 GMT
OP, I do want to thank you for starting a thread that has made me laugh several times! I'm not totally sure anyone IS paying for housekeeping when they pay for college. I don't recall any documents with fine print saying that they provide cleaning services at any certain interval in the dorms, Maybe I drank too much back then, because I don't remember anything about the state of any bathrooms I used 25 years ago, except the fraternity ones (always that vomit mixed with beer smell.)  Grad school bathrooms were even worse, I think. When we got our son's bill, it was three pages long of things it paid for. I need to go back and reread it. I do have to laugh because my son shares a common bathroom with two other guys. They each have their own room. He NEVER poops in his own bathroom. He finds a common bathroom to do his business. This came up when I asked him if he needed more toilet paper. (He is very similar to my two dogs.)
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 22, 2015 1:44:33 GMT
And yes it is 'someones' job to do it but why not take 5 min and pick it up and dispose of it when you see it. From what I am getting, it's not a 5 min job, or just some trash on the side of the road. HA!. Ask your niece if she was jogging along and saw that someone had pooped on the side of the road, would she clean it up? does she have gloves or some garbage bags on her? I am glad your so concerned over this to call your niece? WTH??!!
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Post by mom on Oct 22, 2015 1:53:15 GMT
And yes it is 'someones' job to do it but why not take 5 min and pick it up and dispose of it when you see it. From what I am getting, it's not a 5 min job, or just some trash on the side of the road. HA!. Ask your niece if she was jogging along and saw that someone had pooped on the side of the road, would she clean it up? does she have gloves or some garbage bags on her? I am glad your so concerned over this to call your niece? WTH??!! You said that obviously we had not been around teen girls. So I called to get a teen girls perspective. Not a big deal, really.
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Post by scrapApea on Oct 22, 2015 1:56:33 GMT
And yes it is 'someones' job to do it but why not take 5 min and pick it up and dispose of it when you see it. From what I am getting, it's not a 5 min job, or just some trash on the side of the road. HA!. Ask your niece if she was jogging along and saw that someone had pooped on the side of the road, would she clean it up? does she have gloves or some garbage bags on her? I am glad your so concerned over this to call your niece? WTH??!! LOL that post was totally unrelated. Banging your head yet OP?
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Country Ham
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Post by Country Ham on Oct 22, 2015 2:01:03 GMT
<<---cleaned bathrooms at college for two years And I am sure you cleaned them more then 1x a month! ha. Honestly she is no where near a Target or place to get gloves. Like Michelle said, these colleges are in residential areas, and she has no car. She pretty much stays on campus. It's more about, what we should expect from a college,paying for tuition and how the kids should handle it, and when we as parents should think about getting involved. And I am sure these bathrooms were cleaned more then once a month too. Bathroom garbage cans would be seriously overflowing, the little receptacles for sanitary napkins/tampons overflowing, the mirrors a hot mess etc. If the biggest complaint the OP's daughter had was a skid mark in the toilet maybe it's the the landing zone for that commode. I would think the lack of garbage removal would be more noticeable. Especially if the girls don't tie up the bag when it's full and replace it but rather wait for the custodial staff to come do it.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 22, 2015 2:22:48 GMT
I think it's just one stall ham. Sounds like everything else is being done, but obviously this one stall must be naaaaasty, so someone has to bite the bullet!
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happymomma
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Post by happymomma on Nov 4, 2015 14:27:05 GMT
I haven't read all of the pages of replies. I wouldn't step in in the sense of actually doing the calling but I would advise her to do this: Pick up the phone and call the Director of Housekeeping. Say, "There is a bathroom in building A, across from the front doors, (or wherever it is, let them know the location) that hasn't been cleaned properly in over a month. Please get it cleaned and monitor the situation. Thank you." I worked in a hospital and on a few occasions called the Director of Housekeeping about a bathroom that an employee had obviously been slacking off on as part of their daily duties. The Director will know who is assigned to that particular bathroom and will pull them in and notify them that it needs to be cleaned and remind them of that cleaning schedule. Honestly, it could be a new employee who was not aware that bathroom was part of their area. Or it could be a lazy employee who just skates around it. Is the trash being picked up on a regular basis? That will tell you if they've been in there doing the bare minimum or not. Either way it is the Housekeeping Director's job to get on it and see to it that it stays clean. Don't hesitate to call again if the cleaning starts slipping. Enough complaints and that housekeeper will be written up. As for puke, a tampon, etc. a call should be made at the time it happens that there is service needed. In the public bathrooms across the hall from my office, people were always making a gross mess. One call and the appropriate person was paged to clean it up. The main switchboard operator will have a way to put your daughter in contact with the Housekeeping Supervisor. There may be a phone list on the computer somewhere. Just have her call. Easy. Now, if she called and it was not addressed that day, I would have her call again. And again if necessary, perhaps getting someone in authority to make the call. If nothing got done after going through these proper channels a few times, I guess I as a parent would make the call, since I was footing the bill to go there. But that probably would not be necessary after one call to the right person.
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Post by *leslie* on Nov 5, 2015 5:31:51 GMT
I guess I'm the opposite of most here.
If there was a used tampon on the floor of the bathroom in my office building, no way would I pick it up.
If my daughter had exhausted all avenues to get the housecleaning issue resolved then I would call. Especially if it's supposed to be included in the thousands of dollars I'm paying to the school.
I agree that a dorm bathroom being used by 50 kids needs to be cleaned everyday. Our office building bathroom doesn't get nearly that much traffic and it gets cleaned everyday.
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Post by beaglemom on Nov 5, 2015 5:41:55 GMT
I lived in two different dorms. The first there was a bathroom for our hallway. The second there was a bathroom between our room and the girls next door. In both cases the dorm housekeeping staff cleaned our bathrooms. It was part of their responsibilities, vacuuming the halls, common areas, and our rooms (floor had to be picked up). We didn't have access to a vacuum or anything like that.
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Post by beaglemom on Nov 5, 2015 5:50:43 GMT
DS's school is in a residential area. I know there's a gas station about 5-6 blocks from the school. Otherwise, they can take a bus to the other campus in Minneapolis where there is a Target. So it's not really easy to just "get a pair of gloves." And I think it's unreasonable for him to take his own money and buy gloves to cover up what is a huge health problem. This. I didn't have a car at my school till junior year and that was only because I lived off campus. I would say less than a quarter of freshman had cars. There wasn't somewhere within walking distance to get cleaning supplies. And there wasn't reliable public transportation either. It was a small private school that didn't sell supplies like that on campus either, since the janitorial staff was supposed to take care of stuff like that.
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Post by Basket1lady on Nov 5, 2015 12:27:56 GMT
DS's school is in a residential area. I know there's a gas station about 5-6 blocks from the school. Otherwise, they can take a bus to the other campus in Minneapolis where there is a Target. So it's not really easy to just "get a pair of gloves." And I think it's unreasonable for him to take his own money and buy gloves to cover up what is a huge health problem. This. I didn't have a car at my school till junior year and that was only because I lived off campus. I would say less than a quarter of freshman had cars. There wasn't somewhere within walking distance to get cleaning supplies. And there wasn't reliable public transportation either. It was a small private school that didn't sell supplies like that on campus either, since the janitorial staff was supposed to take care of stuff like that. Cindy, is there an update? Since this is an older thread, we covered this pretty well. A plastic bag would have worked. But really, they should just be able to call housekeeping and it should be taken care of immediately. My DS is the one down the road from Cindy's DD. Similar sized private colleges. Housekeeping cleans public areas day and night from bio hazards. For the men's dorms, this includes vomit at 3 am (including restrooms and a shared dorm bathroom would be considered a public area). DS had the stomach flu last week. He managed to get to a trash can. But can you imagine if vomit like that was left all day? We know he was contagious and so was the vomit!
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pridemom
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Post by pridemom on Nov 5, 2015 13:20:02 GMT
"Cleaning bathrooms wasn't my job as a Resident Assistant. There were lots of things that were but that definitely wasn't one of them. And if there had been a tampon left on the floor a floor meeting would have been called to deal with it, even if it was a visitor." -------------------------------------------------- We all do things that aren't our jobs. And as an RA, I do think upkeep etc of the dorm floor you are responsible for IS their job. Plus they walked around it just as much as anyone else. They would/had NO idea who the tampon came from!! LOL!! Oh, I didn't hear about the whole tampon thing til like a month after it happened. My dd works at the desk, they do NOT have gloves My husband was an RA to a co-ed dorm. He said no, that wasn't his job to clean it. Yes he could file a complaint with housekeeping but then he would have the whole floor cleaning the bathroom with a toothbrush if no one would take it upon themselves to pick it up. He also said the girls restroom was nasty. Way worse than the men's. My first thought is the RD should hold a meeting and discuss with the residents. If it's not a job assigned to paid housekeeping or to work study students, then everyone needs to pitch in. Then it would probably stay a bit cleaner.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 5, 2015 15:46:02 GMT
I haven't actually asked her if the bathrooms are being cleaned better, but when she was home over midterm break we did talk about what is going on. It's not just their bathroom. Her friends live on the 1st floor and she said the bathrooms are nasty down there also. She commented that the housekeeping staff, who are not students, but hired to come in and clean this dorm building sit and watch tv in the lounges quite a bit. Sounds like they have their "shows', aka Days of our lives, Young and the restless, and get the cleaning done in between. HA. We talked about how she should handle it, what she is doing, and documenting what is going on. So she is on it!
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