stittsygirl
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Post by stittsygirl on Nov 2, 2015 22:03:24 GMT
Except that Scientology does so much that is illegal to those who leave the "church", those who investigate it, etc. It's not just what they teach and practice, it's all the hush-hush activity that worries people. I have no doubt that Leah is making it clear that if something should happen to her, the officials should take a look at Scientology first. same with Christian churches and their sexual abuse coverups Christian churches are not one bit different to scientology there also seems to be some consistent stories about leaving the mormon church and how you will be treated I watched her interview, and although mainstream Mormonism isn't quite as "out there" in its beliefs and practices, much of what she said about being raised with those beliefs, and then her feelings as she was leaving, I could relate to as a former Mormon. She was fortunate that her closest loved ones came out with her. There will always be chasm between me and my devout Mormon family now. |
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Post by blondiec47 on Nov 2, 2015 22:07:15 GMT
I agree with the book theory - she has written a tell-all. I will probably request it at the library. A couple months ago I read the tell all written by David Miscavige's niece Jenna about her time in the church of Scientology - it was truly mind-boggling that anyone at all bought that horse shit. I hate to rag on anyone's religion, but this stuff is just so bizarre. I don't think any other religions are any better. I think it's only because we are conditioned to hearing about things like baptisms and communions that we think pouring water over someone's head or eating a wafer even means anything. Speaking in tongues and falling over in the holy spirit - people buy that horse shit also. Comparing main stream religion to CoS is assine, they are no where near the same. CoS is all about money and control. Last I checked my Church couldn't care less where I am right now |
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 2, 2015 22:07:22 GMT
She also has a reality series on TV. I have to admit, I like it! Me too. I really enjoy her whole family and circle of friends. I watched a special on Scientology this fall and can see why she got out and why she is worried about the wife. |
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Post by papersilly on Nov 2, 2015 22:15:20 GMT
All I have seen recently has been veiled references to Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes. hardly veiled in the snippets of interviews she's given to ABC news. it doesn't seem like she has any problems naming names. |
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 2, 2015 22:17:29 GMT
The thing that struck me the most was the way that all Scientologists have to have sessions with church reporters. They have to tell the reporter everything they are thinking and it is all written down and goes into huge recorded books that the church will use against you. That way if you try to leave the church they have a lot of information about you to keep you and your money.
Say what you will about religion, but as a Christian I haven't ever had to report to anyone (not Catholic) and the churches I have attended have thankfully been about loving Jesus, yourself, and your neighbor. I haven't been forced into giving money to my church and I don't move up a church social ladder if I do. If I stop going to that church, I am not followed or hounded. My church has never asked me to shun a single person. I see a big difference.
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Peamac
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Post by Peamac on Nov 2, 2015 23:41:19 GMT
Except that Scientology does so much that is illegal to those who leave the "church", those who investigate it, etc. It's not just what they teach and practice, it's all the hush-hush activity that worries people. I have no doubt that Leah is making it clear that if something should happen to her, the officials should take a look at Scientology first. same with Christian churches and their sexual abuse coverups Christian churches are not one bit different to scientology there also seems to be some consistent stories about leaving the mormon church and how you will be treated I don't know what kind of experience you've had with Christian churches, but you can't honestly read all the info that knit.pea posted and still believe that Scientology and Christianity are the same. I've not heard of Mormons who are threatened or killed for leaving the religion, yet it is not unusual in Scientology. My sister lived in Clearwater FL where the head of Scientology is, and several years ago an acquaintance of hers (who had recently left CofS) went missing. My sister and others were quite concerned that he'd been abducted by CoS b/c of his leaving, so they contacted the police who went searching for him. He was eventually found and was fine, but as has been said already, CoS does not want anyone to leave and will make life difficult for those who are able to get away. |
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Post by knit.pea on Nov 2, 2015 23:45:54 GMT
I don't think any other religions are any better. I think it's only because we are conditioned to hearing about things like baptisms and communions that we think pouring water over someone's head or eating a wafer even means anything. Speaking in tongues and falling over in the holy spirit - people buy that horse shit also. I totally see where you are coming from, because each religion has certain customs that are unique and could be viewed as "weird". I have a hard time with this group, though, because of it's controlling nature. Sea Org are not encouraged to have children, and if they do they are taken away from the parents and raised by people in the group. Parents are either working for the group there or sent to another facility, away from their children. (These are regular members, I would assume; not the children of John or Tom. Leah was just a regular kid when her mom joined, so she has actually seen both sides; being a regular member and then in adulthood being a "celebrity" member.) I can only speak from a Catholic point of view, but our church has never: Taken our children away Required us to work 14 hours a day for the church Kept extensive and detailed information on our "sins" Required us to report on our husbands/wives/family members Required us to go through "auditing" sessions Had a system of "levels" within the church which you rise through based on paying for "auditing" sessions From the outside looking in ... it is all shades of crazy. I agree. It is amazing that some families are able to leave, intact. I am surprised there hasn't been a "leak" from the group about Leah's auditing sessions. I do think that once the group crosses THAT line, there will be an implosion there. Maybe that will be the tipping point ... when the members realize the group could do that to ANYONE. |
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NoWomanNoCry
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Nov 2, 2015 23:48:31 GMT
I'm curious how exactly she left. I mean did she have to formally do something? Did she just stop attending whatever functions they have? I hope the book covers that part because I juse find it all fascinating.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 0:02:14 GMT
She's been very honest she was a known problem because of how she would ask questions. She also admitted to filing many reports against her own husband, friends, and family. I saw a follow up interview on Good Morning America today.
Katie Holmes released a statement basically saying, I'm sorry if I caused any hard feelings. Leah teared up and said she has no hard feelings about the report Katie filed on her and she can relate to her leaving and getting away with her daughter.
I can relate to her story, but on a lesser level.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 0:06:54 GMT
I'm curious how exactly she left. I mean did she have to formally do something? Did she just stop attending whatever functions they have? I hope the book covers that part because I juse find it all fascinating. The church said she was expelled. She said she left on her own and never received any kind of notification. She said it's like when 2 people in a relationship break up; he said, she said. She just kind of shrugged her shoulders like whatever, I'm out. |
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 3, 2015 0:18:22 GMT
I can only speak from a Catholic point of view, but our church has never:
Taken our children away
Required us to work 14 hours a day for the church
Kept extensive and detailed information on our "sins"Required us to report on our husbands/wives/family members Required us to go through "auditing" sessions Had a system of "levels" within the church which you rise through based on paying for "auditing" sessions Having just read & watched Philomena, this is exactly what was done to unwed mothers by the Catholic church in Ireland. |
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Nov 3, 2015 0:58:08 GMT
I'm curious how exactly she left. I mean did she have to formally do something? Did she just stop attending whatever functions they have? I hope the book covers that part because I juse find it all fascinating. The church said she was expelled. She said she left on her own and never received any kind of notification. She said it's like when 2 people in a relationship break up; he said she said. She just kind of shrugged her shoulders like whatever, I'm out. Thanks...I missed that info. |
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Nov 3, 2015 1:00:10 GMT
I don't think any other religions are any better. I think it's only because we are conditioned to hearing about things like baptisms and communions that we think pouring water over someone's head or eating a wafer even means anything. Speaking in tongues and falling over in the holy spirit - people buy that horse shit also. Comparing main stream religion to CoS is assine, they are no where near the same. CoS is all about money and control. Last I checked my Church couldn't care less where I am right now That. And the fact that Scientology is literally based off LRH's science fiction novels from the 50's. We are alien DNA that fell from space during a galactic battle with the alien King Xanu. No joke. Wtf!!! |
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 3, 2015 1:02:21 GMT
I'm curious how exactly she left. I mean did she have to formally do something? Did she just stop attending whatever functions they have? I hope the book covers that part because I juse find it all fascinating. If you Google "20/20 Leah Remini," there is a long article explaining her side of things. |
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 3, 2015 1:03:31 GMT
Comparing main stream religion to CoS is assine, they are no where near the same. CoS is all about money and control. Last I checked my Church couldn't care less where I am right now That. And the fact that Scientology is literally based off LRH's science fiction novels from the 50's. We are alien DNA that fell from space during a galactic battle with the alien King Xanu. No joke. Wtf!!! But I don't think you find that out until years and $$$ into the program. Can you imagine believing in something that drops that 25 years into the belief? |
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Nov 3, 2015 1:08:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 1:14:58 GMT
That. And the fact that Scientology is literally based off LRH's science fiction novels from the 50's. We are alien DNA that fell from space during a galactic battle with the alien King Xanu. No joke. Wtf!!! But I don't think you find that out until years and $$$ into the program. Can you imagine believing in something that drops that 25 years into the belief? It's the milk before meat teaching. |
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Post by valincal on Nov 3, 2015 1:21:06 GMT
Comparing main stream religion to CoS is assine, they are no where near the same. CoS is all about money and control. Last I checked my Church couldn't care less where I am right now That. And the fact that Scientology is literally based off LRH's science fiction novels from the 50's. We are alien DNA that fell from space during a galactic battle with the alien King Xanu. No joke. Wtf!!! To be fair, as an atheist I find some of the stuff in the bible equally crazy. But I do believe the Chuch of Scientology to be a true cult. |
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Post by knit.pea on Nov 3, 2015 2:25:15 GMT
I can only speak from a Catholic point of view, but our church has never:
Taken our children away
Required us to work 14 hours a day for the church
Kept extensive and detailed information on our "sins"Required us to report on our husbands/wives/family members Required us to go through "auditing" sessions Had a system of "levels" within the church which you rise through based on paying for "auditing" sessions Having just read & watched Philomena, this is exactly what was done to unwed mothers by the Catholic church in Ireland. Sorry, I should have been more clear in that my particular church, the one I attend, has never done that to me personally. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 2:46:40 GMT
I can only speak from a Catholic point of view, but our church has never:
Taken our children away
Required us to work 14 hours a day for the church
Kept extensive and detailed information on our "sins"Required us to report on our husbands/wives/family members Required us to go through "auditing" sessions Had a system of "levels" within the church which you rise through based on paying for "auditing" sessions Having just read & watched Philomena, this is exactly what was done to unwed mothers by the Catholic church in Ireland. and aboriginal children in australia |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 2:47:34 GMT
Having just read & watched Philomena, this is exactly what was done to unwed mothers by the Catholic church in Ireland. Sorry, I should have been more clear in that my particular church, the one I attend, has never done that to me personally. and i am sure there are plenty of scientologists who cannot relate to leah remini's stories either and feel scientology has been very beneficial and freeing for them |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 3:01:58 GMT
Having just read & watched Philomena, this is exactly what was done to unwed mothers by the Catholic church in Ireland. Sorry, I should have been more clear in that my particular church, the one I attend, has never done that to me personally. I think when churches have been around for thousands or even a couple of hundred years, they tend to downplay what they have done or continue to do. -that was in the past -he was speaking as a man, not a prophet -the incidents of abuse were isolated, we're no longer like that -what was once taught as doctrine, is no longer taught, the next generation has no idea what once was truth is no longer taught. -the world wasn't ready for this new prophesy/revelation, so we prohibited these practices from happening. -we once killed thousands of people for not being Christian, but no longer do it, that was so long ago. -we are against same sex marriage, birth control, ..... but in time some of those things change as well With Scientology, it is a fairly new religion so it is easy to scrutinize. There's the internet, social media, etc.. People are becoming braver and coming out. They know they aren't alone. When it comes to the doctrine of Scientology, I feel like I can't be really judgmental. Christianity has a man who was killed and raised from the dead and he's the savior of the world. I truly believe if Christianity and Scientology had became a thing during the 21st century, there would be much more skepticism for both of them equally. |
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