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Post by TankTop on Nov 8, 2015 1:27:45 GMT
Dd has recently started dating a very nice young man. He is highly involved in school, so he does not have a job other than odd jobs. Even if he did my feelings would not change on this...
I feel dd should pay her way on dates or go Dutch/take turns. Dh feels the boy should pay for both since that is what he did in high school.
What at is the norm in your experience? Will I offend this young man if I encourage dd to pay?
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Post by padresfan619 on Nov 8, 2015 1:31:05 GMT
Well I'm not a mother of a teen boy, but I am not that far out of the dating pool (for adults) so I feel like I can answer. Going Dutch in the beginning is fine. I would even encourage her to pick up the entire bill every once in a while. I have always lived by the rule that the person who asks/initiates the date should pay. Even to this day I still like to pay for stuff when my husband and I go out. Sure, we pool most of our money for the mortgage and household bills, but I still keep my own checking account and we still go out on dates.
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Post by seikashaven on Nov 8, 2015 1:31:14 GMT
She should offer to pay her way. If the boy insists then she should let him. Insisting just hurts feelings.
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Post by AussieMeg on Nov 8, 2015 1:31:19 GMT
My personal thoughts are that they should each pay their own way, and I would feel the same even if the boy had a job. It seems very old-fashioned and unfair to expect the boy to always pay.
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Post by TankTop on Nov 8, 2015 1:33:22 GMT
Thank you. That is what I thought. They are at a school event tonight. I sent her with $20.00. She texted that he bought her ticket to get in. I texted back that she should pay at the diner they are going to with friends after. She has an emergency paypal credit card in case her cash isn't enough.
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Post by akathy on Nov 8, 2015 1:36:36 GMT
Thank you. That is what I thought. They are at a school event tonight. I sent her with $20.00. She texted that he bought her ticket to get in. I texted back that she should pay at the diner they are going to with friends after. She has an emergency paypal credit card in case her cash isn't enough. I think that's perfect.
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Post by femalebusiness on Nov 8, 2015 1:39:29 GMT
I dated back in the dark ages and I always insisted on paying my own way. I never wanted to "owe" anyone anything. I raised my daughter the same way. But then I really hate stereotypical roles. If I go out with my girlfriends I pay my own way why shouldn't one go dutch on a date? Special occasions like a birthday I think it is nice to buy the birthday person dinner but then that goes both ways. On the flip side why should the guy go broke dating? Doesn't seem fair to me. The man always paying smacks of paying for sex to me. There is an implied expectation in a lot of cases.
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 8, 2015 2:06:22 GMT
man always paying smacks of paying for sex to me. There is an implied expectation in a lot of cases. Oh gosh, I hate to hear that. As the mother of the boys that will be dating someone's daughters, I have worked really hard to make sure that regardless of circumstances, they never think that money=power/sex/anything else. I have, I hope, taught them to treat the girls/women they date with respect and kindness. It makes me sad to think that someone would think that they are looking for sex just because they paid for dinner. As to the question, I just asked the boy that still lives here how he and his girlfriend work out the money thing. He does have a job, and works almost every day after school as well as gets random money from his dad. He said that he pays for a lot of their dates, but she does contribute too. He eats at her house at least once a week, she drives sometimes, pays for popcorn at the movies-things like that. She doesn't work, her parents prefer for her to concentrate on school (and it shows, she is a fantastic student.) She just doesn't have the financial resources that my son has. I asked him how he felt about that, and he said that he feels like they both have strengths in the relationship and for now, he is able to pay for things that she can't. (It was kind of surprising how grown up he sounded.) For the record, they have been dating for two years.
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Post by withapea on Nov 8, 2015 2:11:23 GMT
We've raised our daughters to pay for themselves/ take turns/ contribute to the cost of dating. No way would they expect a boy to pay for all the expenses of dating.
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Post by femalebusiness on Nov 8, 2015 2:16:30 GMT
man always paying smacks of paying for sex to me. There is an implied expectation in a lot of cases. Oh gosh, I hate to hear that. As the mother of the boys that will be dating someone's daughters, I have worked really hard to make sure that regardless of circumstances, they never think that money=power/sex/anything else. I have, I hope, taught them to treat the girls/women they date with respect and kindness. It makes me sad to think that someone would think that they are looking for sex just because they paid for dinner. Yeah, but you are a good mom. Not all boys are raised that way. And as I said I dated back back in the dark ages. Many times I heard boys/men say that they should be paid back for paying for the date. That happened once to me and I never again let a man pay my way.
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Post by Pahina722 on Nov 8, 2015 2:22:03 GMT
DS is in a similar situation. He gets an allowance but doesn't work because we want him concentrating on school. His GF doesn't have a steady job, but does get paid for violin performances here and there. Pretty much, they split costs. He pays for lunch one time; she does the next. Sometimes she picks him up for a date; sometimes he picks her up.
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Post by peasapie on Nov 8, 2015 3:06:16 GMT
I think she should offer to pay. But if he insists he wants to pay, I'd let him do so, thank him, and say something like, "ok but I get it next time." This way he gets to feel generous and they are both on equal footing.
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Post by maryland on Nov 8, 2015 3:17:08 GMT
I have three girls and have taught them that they should take turns paying. He shouldn't have to just because he is a boy. They can split the cost/pay their own way, or she pays one time, he pays the next time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 3:28:25 GMT
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 8, 2015 3:29:23 GMT
I only have boys and they would be/are thrilled if and when the girl wants to pay. The world is different than it used to be and unless a guy really wants to pay, the girl should pay too. My son has dated the same girl for 5 years and she pays about half the time. She also has a job 12 months a year and has more income. They are both in college. I take them both out to lunch once a week and she frequently offers to pay.
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Post by AnotherPea on Nov 8, 2015 3:33:22 GMT
Dd has recently started dating a very nice young man. He is highly involved in school, so he does not have a job other than odd jobs. Even if he did my feelings would not change on this... I feel dd should pay her way on dates or go Dutch/take turns. Dh feels the boy should pay for both since that is what he did in high school. What at is the norm in your experience? Will I offend this young man if I encourage dd to pay? I'm still of the opinion that the boy should pay. I get that this isn't always feasible. Oldest dd has paid for her and her boyfriend's dates for two years. Now the tables have turned financially for them and he's shelling out the $$. They're in college and legal adults though.
When she was dating in high school and went on a few dates with the same boy, I tried to step in by suggesting they eat here before going somewhere. Watch a movie from Redbox. Win win for me because I got to keep a better eye on them And it was amazing how many "free" tickets I won at auctions, along with restaurant gift cards. That way his bank wasn't busted and they were still able to go out.
But this isn't one of those things where I feel that I'm RIGHT. I'm 100% okay with everyone disagreeing with me and sharing how I'm wrong. It just feels like this is the way it should be still.
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Post by scraphollie27 on Nov 8, 2015 6:24:55 GMT
I am the mother of a teen DD who decided all on her own that she would pay. She had never encountered this archaic notion that the boy should pay so when he suggested it, she was like "um, no that's weird. I have my own money."
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Post by AllieC on Nov 8, 2015 6:33:14 GMT
I do find it quite archaic that boys are still expected to pay. My dd is 18 and hasn't dated much but like She did go on a first date recently with a boy who she had been talking to for a few months. They went to a simple pasta place and then ice-cream and he paid. I told her to offer but he said he was working so would pay for it all. He seemed like a lovely boy BUT the next time he wanted to go out and my dd declined because she is studying for final exams he did intimate that he had paid for her to go out the week before so was wanting something in return! So yes it does still happen Like @scraphollie77 my dd thinks it is weird for the boy to always pay. She wants to pay her own way or alternate but no way would she expect a boy to pay all the time, especially if they are both students in the same financial situation.
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Post by mlynn on Nov 8, 2015 7:32:33 GMT
An alternative could be that when he picks her up, from time to time you hand him some money and say "Here..tonight is on us."
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Post by polz on Nov 8, 2015 7:35:58 GMT
They should go dutch. It's old fashioned to expect the boy to always pay.
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Post by miominmio on Nov 8, 2015 7:38:51 GMT
Expecting the boy to always pay seems archaic to me.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Nov 8, 2015 8:26:11 GMT
My personal thoughts are that they should each pay their own way, and I would feel the same even if the boy had a job. It seems very old-fashioned and unfair to expect the boy to always pay. As the mother of boys, this. How very quaint and old fashioned to expect the boy to pay. I imagine your daughter will be expecting equity in her pay packet when she gets a job?
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Post by Heart on Nov 8, 2015 11:58:16 GMT
My DD is 19, and has been seeing a lovely young man for about a year. She only got a job very recently, but I always asked her if she needed or wanted money just for her to have when they went out in the past. She has paid for ice cream, snacks at movies, McDonald's, etc. They do a lot of free things, but she has always had money so they can split or be on equal footing. I never wanted her to be trapped or feeling like she couldn't make decisions because she didn't have money to vote with.
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Post by hop2 on Nov 8, 2015 12:50:03 GMT
Here is what I've taught my kids. Money does not equal choice/ power / etc in valued personal relationships. If money equals choice/ power then you have a business relationship not a personal one among equals.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 13:09:54 GMT
I'm still of the opinion that the boy should pay. A relationship should be built on equality in all areas, money included. It's just BS to expect someone to pay for you all the time, it's like saying you're more special than they are. It also smacks of teaching your daughter that she has a right to be 'kept' by a man and that's just so wrong.
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Post by TankTop on Nov 8, 2015 13:37:47 GMT
Thank you all. She tried to pay for their dinner, but he insisted. She only got a side of fries and a drink since she had already ate, so she did not push the issue.
However, she did make it clear that the next date was on her.
Now a little funny.... DD is very green as far as dating goes. She is also very straight forward. When she started seeing this young man she told him that one of the things she liked about him is how he doesn't make crude comments like other boys and doesn't seem to be pushing her for anything she is not ready for yet. She made it clear that she had never even kissed a boy, and it might take her a bit to get there. He is a former student of mine and has just always been a great kid. Very reserved, an old soul.
After she got home last night he texted her to thank her for a lovely time. His words. Who says "lovely" in high school? Lol! He also thanked her for holding his hand and asked her permission to kiss her on the cheek at the end of their next date. She came running into my room giggling and swoony over that text. She had no idea how to respond and then finally decided to say, "How about we start with a nice hug?" He responded back that he was looking forward to it.
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Post by TankTop on Nov 8, 2015 13:40:19 GMT
I also wanted to say....
I so appreciate all of you boy moms who are raising such amazing young men. I have a 10 year old son, and I hope I do right by him.
As a mom of a girl, I promise not to.... - assume your son wants one thing only - view him as a predator - threaten his life or safety - blame him for mutual decisions
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Post by maryland on Nov 8, 2015 13:49:51 GMT
I am the mother of a teen DD who decided all on her own that she would pay. She had never encountered this archaic notion that the boy should pay so when he suggested it, she was like "um, no that's weird. I have my own money." My girls feel the same way! My husband and I told them that they should split the cost or take turns and they looked at us like "of course, why would it be any other way".
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Post by maryland on Nov 8, 2015 14:12:00 GMT
I also wanted to say.... I so appreciate all of you boy moms who are raising such amazing young men. I have a 10 year old son, and I hope I do right by him. As a mom of a girl, I promise not to.... - assume your son wants one thing only - view him as a predator - threaten his life or safety - blame him for mutual decisions Me too! We would never do any of those things as parents of girls, it would never even cross our minds. And I hope the parents of boys would never threaten our daughters or view them as predators, etc. either. And as a mom of girls, I promise that I will raise my daughters to be respectful to their date, not be pushy with him, treat him as she would wanted to be treated herself. And we will always welcome potential dates with open arms as we hope the boys parents do to our daughters. At graduation we had a rain delay, and we ran into the mom of our daughters 11th grade boyfriend/12 grade best friend. She spent so much time telling us how wonderful our daughter is, and any parent would be thrilled for their son to date her. That she was always so kind and talked to her and her husband while at their house, and she loves her like a daughter! Coming from a boys mom really meant a lot to us!
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 8, 2015 14:35:15 GMT
I also wanted to say.... I so appreciate all of you boy moms who are raising such amazing young men. I have a 10 year old son, and I hope I do right by him. As a mom of a girl, I promise not to.... - assume your son wants one thing only - view him as a predator - threaten his life or safety - blame him for mutual decisions And I, for one, thank you! What I think is interesting is how social mores have changed for this generation. It is almost assumed that funding a relationship is an equal proposition vs. when I was young where it was assumed that the boy would pay. I like that. And I really like that my son sees this young relationship of his as a relationship of equals where money isn't part of an equation in a balance of power.
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