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Post by penny on Nov 11, 2015 16:30:53 GMT
jbelle I'm in Canada so I'm not sure what's available in the US, but you can't purchase the Finnish ones - they are part of a government plan/benefit and you only get one by being pregnant... I believe they used to have them available for purchase, but they stopped that... The value (you can opt to take money instead of the box if you want), is so much greater than the value it's assessed at... They're now given as gifts from the country to pregnant royals (ex. Kate and Will)... I would imagine that the odd time people sell them on eBay or similar, but I'd also imagine the prices to be extremely high...
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Post by raindancer on Nov 11, 2015 16:48:24 GMT
What a crappy piece of writing by someone who clearly knows nothing about science.
As to boxes, I don't think there is anything wrong with it, I slept in one apparently as an infant on numerous camping trips with a screen stretched across the top. My dad slept in a dresser drawer.
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Post by msladibug on Nov 11, 2015 17:55:27 GMT
Does anyone remember these ?
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Post by miominmio on Nov 11, 2015 19:39:55 GMT
The boxes are part of the Finnish system - not all Nordic countries do this... The box isn't magical like many have noted... I'd say that the benefits are due to what the box represents: a child registered into the system and therefore being followed/monitored by the healthcare system, a mother who is participating in medical care, a baby that starts out with all the basics required so no reasons to not have their needs covered, and a general increased awareness of infant health/health issues... The box also contains condoms so that maternal health is cared for (the usual advice is to space out pregnancies)... As far as sleeping on the floor, most homes/apartments are well insulted because of the climate... The floor may be cooler than some areas of the home, but not cold and because of the size of the box the baby is protected from drafts... Some years, the top of the box has unfolded to form a base too... Parents in Finland believe that infants should have some exposure to cool/cold temperatures - appropriately clothed, each day... Many friends would pop their babies out for a nap in the stroller, even in the winter... The baby is dressed and wrapped up warm, but receives the benefit of the fresh air... ETA: Kela is the government social program/dept that takes care of the boxes... You can see their website in English here www.kela.fi/web/en/maternitypackage ETA2 And here is an article talking about outdoor napping www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21537988 and a research paper on it herkules.oulu.fi/isbn9789514296673/isbn9789514296673.pdfThis caught my eye in the second article about napping outdoors "When the temperature drops to -15C (5F) we always cover the prams with blankets," says head teacher Brittmarie Carlzon. I would never have survived!! Of course you would! Babies and toddlers in the Nordic countries nap outdoors no matter the temperatures. If you visit a day care, there will be strollers lined up with sleeping kids. And I agree with the Fins: cold weather is good for you. Dress accordingly, and there is no reason to stay indoors. And when they aren't asleep, they will play outdoors, looking like penguins in their all weather clothes.
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Post by miominmio on Nov 11, 2015 19:40:15 GMT
Does anyone remember these ? I had one for my doll!
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Post by jbelle on Nov 11, 2015 19:42:43 GMT
jbelle I'm in Canada so I'm not sure what's available in the US, but you can't purchase the Finnish ones - they are part of a government plan/benefit and you only get one by being pregnant... I believe they used to have them available for purchase, but they stopped that... The value (you can opt to take money instead of the box if you want), is so much greater than the value it's assessed at... They're now given as gifts from the country to pregnant royals (ex. Kate and Will)... I would imagine that the odd time people sell them on eBay or similar, but I'd also imagine the prices to be extremely high... Thanks Penny. I remember my hubby and I running around trying to find a crib for our first born when we lived in Germany. We had to worry about the proper bedding and rail spacing and having the proper clothing etc. My mom was in the states, and I just was like This baby box would have been a welcomed relief to our anxieties of becoming new parents. Our baby is an electrical engineer now, she survived lol, and I would love to put together something like this for her one day, but I can imagine what she would say about using that box Msladibug That carrier is a relic, I remember my mom using that for my baby sister in the 70's ha!
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Post by *Marjorie* on Nov 11, 2015 20:40:16 GMT
Does anyone remember these ? My son slept in one of those until he was 3 months old. His crib was being used by another baby. We had him on the floor next to the bed in this. It was blue not printed. This was in the 70's.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 11, 2015 21:07:55 GMT
My mom and her twin slept in dresser drawers when they were born in the late 1920's. I would imagine the crib was still being used by their two year old brother. I just read a recent article about the baby boxes in our local newspaper, apparently there is a new nonprofit that is trying to raise money here to give them to young, vulnerable mothers filled with all of the necessities she would need to bring her baby home. link to article Some of the moms that have received them stated that they will use or have used the box for the baby to sleep in initially while others said no way. The boxes come with a fitted mattress pad inside so the baby can actually sleep in it. I would think if you were a low income teen mom with very few resources, having a safe place for your infant to sleep would be a godsend.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2015 21:34:40 GMT
My parents were in the process of moving when I had DS and my parents hadn't set anything up yet for visits so when DS fell asleep, my took a clean towel and his baby blanket and laid it over the soft dogs bed. It was hilarious. Here's a pic
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Post by loco coco on Nov 11, 2015 21:54:47 GMT
Ive read about this before and think a box like this is great
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Post by Grom Pea on Nov 11, 2015 23:39:36 GMT
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Post by jbelle on Nov 12, 2015 0:47:32 GMT
Yes, it sure is super expensive but WOW, what a nice package to start with. It even has what I think are those washable sanitary napkins. Thanks for sharing this Grom Pea.
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Post by mimima on Nov 12, 2015 0:49:32 GMT
Does anyone remember these ? My mom used that with all of us, and I used the same one with my kids
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Post by penny on Nov 12, 2015 1:48:00 GMT
I want the Moomin box!! Don't have a baby, or €600 to spend on a box that my cat will sleep in, but I love it... Thanks for sharing
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Post by likescarrots on Nov 12, 2015 2:04:35 GMT
It was common practice for UK babies to sleep in a drawer until around the 1950's. Not sure I believe this bit about people being to busy to buy the basics. Shopping for an expected baby is a fun and exciting time for prospective parents. Something they relish. I do think that the whole package would be beneficial for the poorer members of society, and that it would be a shame if this became a trend that only the rich could take advantage of. This assumes the prospective parents are privileged enough to afford to go shopping (and not, say, working 3 jobs to make rent each month), that there are two parents involved, and that their baby was planned, or at the very least, that having the baby is something the parents are joyous about.
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Post by Grom Pea on Nov 12, 2015 2:25:29 GMT
I want the Moomin box!! Don't have a baby, or €600 to spend on a box that my cat will sleep in, but I love it... Thanks for sharing I love moomintrolls too! I loved reading those books as a kid.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Nov 12, 2015 5:49:24 GMT
It was common practice for UK babies to sleep in a drawer until around the 1950's. Not sure I believe this bit about people being to busy to buy the basics. Shopping for an expected baby is a fun and exciting time for prospective parents. Something they relish. I do think that the whole package would be beneficial for the poorer members of society, and that it would be a shame if this became a trend that only the rich could take advantage of. This assumes the prospective parents are privileged enough to afford to go shopping (and not, say, working 3 jobs to make rent each month), that there are two parents involved, and that their baby was planned, or at the very least, that having the baby is something the parents are joyous about. Read the paragraph under the one you have highlighted. The one you seem to agree with, but have chosen to ignore.
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Post by likescarrots on Nov 13, 2015 19:09:09 GMT
This assumes the prospective parents are privileged enough to afford to go shopping (and not, say, working 3 jobs to make rent each month), that there are two parents involved, and that their baby was planned, or at the very least, that having the baby is something the parents are joyous about. Read the paragraph under the one you have highlighted. The one you seem to agree with, but have chosen to ignore. I did read it. It doesn't make the first paragraph any less ignorant.
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