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Post by ntsf on Nov 20, 2015 8:29:12 GMT
my kid's 89 yr old grandmother and 89 yr old grandfather...(one from each side of the family)...they send emails and don't write to the kids in cursive. especially my dad..he has always printed everything...engineering style handwriting...
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Post by darkangel090260 on Nov 20, 2015 8:34:08 GMT
I have had to teach all our older kids. The learned some in school, however there hand writing was really bad. I do not know how to print. I always got in trouble in 1-3 grade for using cursive. My grandfather made sure each and everyone of his kids and grandchildren hand perfect hand writing. I spent many of summer working on it. Still to this day i will work on letters.
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Post by hop2 on Nov 20, 2015 12:20:26 GMT
I just cannot understand why script isn't being taught. I get that it won't be used as much as it once was, but I still think it's a useful tool to have in one's arsenal. And as a former primary teacher, I remember how much kids loved learning it. They felt grown up and proud. Why won't it get used as much? 4 years of college note taking should be reason enough. Cursive is much quicker than printing. My youngest ( nearly 17 ) is being taught to take notes on his school issued chromebook. My DD who graduated this past June was the last class to graduate from our district without being taught computer note taking. While DS knows script, can read it, and write it ( though sloppily ) he actually does ok on the chromebook. In fact when writing himself he does much better on the chromebook than with paper and pencil. That's always been true. The only drawback has been a few teachers who put their plan/notes on line for the kids to copy. No one is learning that way. But for the most part it's been pretty successful, and most teachers have embraced it. Especially math, because writing math on a computer for the PARCC was an issue last year. They HAD to embrace it. Our school district had issued chromebooks to all children 5-12. It's partly ( probably mistly ) due to the friggin PARCC test so they have enough screens to give the test on. Makes you wonder who's profiting from this stuff.
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 20, 2015 13:00:39 GMT
I'll go ahead and call myself out as older than dirt, because my HS and college notes were taken in actual shorthand. I took it as an elective in 8th grade. My mother does her Christmas list in shorthand. My high school taught shorthand, but only if you were in the program (how sexist is this?) that taught girl how to be secretaries. If you weren't in the vocation program, then you were able to take any of the classes beyond typing. She just leaves the list laying around and laughs when all start begging for hints.
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Post by kristi521 on Nov 20, 2015 13:19:51 GMT
My 9 year old is being taught cursive now, just as my older 2 were taught. I think the main difference between my girls education and mine, in regard to cursive, is that after I learned cursive, all homework after that had to be in cursive until I graduated high school. My girls are not required to do that, and they don't. I did attend a parochial school, so I don't know if that was the difference or if it is just how it is done now.
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Post by MerryMom on Nov 20, 2015 13:23:17 GMT
There is no one barring a parent from teaching their child cursive (or script as we used to call it) on their own. There are cursive workbooks in every Walmart store I've ever been in. They are usually back in the toy department where flashcards are.
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Post by raindancer on Nov 20, 2015 13:52:35 GMT
I just cannot understand why script isn't being taught. I get that it won't be used as much as it once was, but I still think it's a useful tool to have in one's arsenal. And as a former primary teacher, I remember how much kids loved learning it. They felt grown up and proud. Why won't it get used as much? 4 years of college note taking should be reason enough. Cursive is much quicker than printing. I agree but not many note takers that take them by hand. I do in color code even but I almost am always surrounded by laptops and tablets.
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Post by blarneygirl on Nov 20, 2015 14:26:33 GMT
My now HS freshman was never taught cursive. He took the SAT's a year ago for entrance into a summer gifted program. As a part of pre test paperwork, he had to write (in cursive) a promise no cheat (or something like that, it's a little foggy now) and he said it was a little embarrassing because everyone in his room was finished with that exercise, and he was still struggling, while everyone waited for him to finish a simple statement. As much as I've tried to encourage him to learn prior to this, I do pick my battles, and this isn't one of them. He STILL doesn't seem to think there is a reason to lean "I'm sure there will be an app for that!" How about because you can't read your aunt's note to you in your birthday card? I am going to present this situation to him, and perhaps that will be motivation to him? Thanks for sharing!
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Post by oh yvonne on Nov 20, 2015 14:38:23 GMT
Wow, I'm thankful our school district still teaches cursive. Its a beautiful way to write, and I personally write solely in cursive. Printing is too slow for me. My daughter in 4th grade has a test today, and its to be done all in cursive.
I'm glad because I have about 30 scrapbooks done of our family through the years and it would be a shame if she couldn't read my stories. I did a mix of printer journaling and hand written, and all my handwritten journaling is in cursive.
There is plenty of time to learn, its not like it takes very long at all. But practice is key, and requiring cursive writing in class is a good thing, IMO. We can spend time at home working on the match homework, or whatever.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Nov 20, 2015 15:29:42 GMT
There is no one barring a parent from teaching their child cursive (or script as we used to call it) on their own. There are cursive workbooks in every Walmart store I've ever been in. They are usually back in the toy department where flashcards are. This is exactly what I will be doing with DS. I'm tacking on to the reading and math he has to do over summer vacation.
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Post by beaglemom on Nov 20, 2015 15:33:25 GMT
My youngest two are being taught cursive specifically to help with their penmanship. One is dyslexic and writing is extremely difficult for him, the thinking is if he doesn't need to lift his pencil it's easier for the brain to hand connection to write words out. It helps a little but not much. He can read it though. As well as he can read anything. My other is just a lazy writer. His penmanship is atrocious because he speeds through his work. The teachers hope this will help him write quickly but legibly. I'm dubious. He just can't be made to care. No matter how many times I make him rewrite his work so I can read it. I would highly suggest looking into Slingerland for both of them. It is primarily for kids with dyslexia, but other kids with language processing or fine motor difficulties benefit greatly. They do a fantastic job teaching cursive and helping with kid's brain to paper flow.
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Post by redayh on Nov 20, 2015 15:56:27 GMT
It's so odd to me that they don't use it anymore. We not only learned cursive, we also learned formal calligraphy in school (I was in 5th grade).
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Post by melanell on Nov 20, 2015 16:48:28 GMT
I'll go ahead and call myself out as older than dirt, because my HS and college notes were taken in actual shorthand. I took it as an elective in 8th grade. My mother does her Christmas list in shorthand. She just leaves the list laying around and laughs when all start begging for hints. We have the same mother!
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Post by melanell on Nov 20, 2015 16:50:58 GMT
If any kids now want to look into genealogy, they better start working on their ability to read cursive. I used cursive in school from 2nd or 3rd grade on, and I still find some records in older cursive, messier cursive, or cursive in another language that make me sweat it out trying to decipher them.
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Post by anonrefugee on Nov 20, 2015 17:05:37 GMT
My youngest two are being taught cursive specifically to help with their penmanship. One is dyslexic and writing is extremely difficult for him, the thinking is if he doesn't need to lift his pencil it's easier for the brain to hand connection to write words out. It helps a little but not much. He can read it though. As well as he can read anything. My other is just a lazy writer. His penmanship is atrocious because he speeds through his work. The teachers hope this will help him write quickly but legibly. I'm dubious. He just can't be made to care. No matter how many times I make him rewrite his work so I can read it. My kids are dyslexic too and that was the thinking from their doctors. Cursive letters are also more distinct than the block letters. Unfortunately our school doesn't support that part of training and I failed to reinforce it at home. My boys write block but can read cursive. One has nice handwriting, the other below average.
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Post by mimima on Nov 20, 2015 17:26:45 GMT
I'll go ahead and call myself out as older than dirt, because my HS and college notes were taken in actual shorthand. I took it as an elective in 8th grade. My mother does her Christmas list in shorthand. My high school taught shorthand, but only if you were in the program (how sexist is this?) that taught girl how to be secretaries. If you weren't in the vocation program, then you were able to take any of the classes beyond typing. She just leaves the list laying around and laughs when all start begging for hints. My mom used to do that too. I learned shorthand
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 20, 2015 17:35:28 GMT
If any kids now want to look into genealogy, they better start working on their ability to read cursive. I used cursive in school from 2nd or 3rd grade on, and I still find some records in older cursive, messier cursive, or cursive in another language that make me sweat it out trying to decipher them. I hate those priests with messy handwriting! I'm having a hard enough time with the spanish, if they could at least write legibly My kids learned in school, and if not I would have taught them. I really don't like the idea that there's a whole generation of children being told that the ability to read source documents is not necessary. I think it's actually a more important lesson now with than ever before. There's just so much bad information out there - and information that has been badly interpreted by some one else. I understand that there is always pressure on teachers to prioritize, but the ability to at least decipher script could be fit into a relatively short period of time and be taught in conjunction with how quickly information can be miscommunicated through multiple layers of people interpreting information where they never looked at the primary source.
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Post by anonrefugee on Nov 20, 2015 17:49:42 GMT
Cursive is alive and well in Catholic schools (at least all the ones I am familiar with). My kids both learned cursive in second grade, reviewed it the first half of third grade, and after the Christmas break of third grade, will write in cursive until they graduate in 8th grade. There is a lot of brain development that goes along with cursive. It is a shame public school no longer requires it. When I taught second and third grade in public schools, I snuck it in as much as possible. Apparently there's NOT a lot of brain development attached to cursive, or even to traditional note taking, the way most of us older generations learned. I'm an extensive note taker and my son's doctor was telling me about this Wednesday. I didn't have time to get any sources, so I plan to look into it. If you have sources, please share. (That's not a challenge, I find it fascinating. ) I'm someone who has to annotate and diagram my way through a text or lecture- if only to stay focused. But I recognize at least one of my sons has a huge ability to learn, and retain, without doing this.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Nov 20, 2015 18:13:17 GMT
I did a mix of printer journaling and hand written, and all my handwritten journaling is in cursive. I can write beautifully but my brain doesn't always connect to my fingers as I get older so I make mistakes. I journal on my computer with a script font that is very similar to my handwriting and print it out in vellum to put on my pages.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 20, 2015 18:39:03 GMT
Cursive is alive and well in Catholic schools (at least all the ones I am familiar with). My kids both learned cursive in second grade, reviewed it the first half of third grade, and after the Christmas break of third grade, will write in cursive until they graduate in 8th grade. There is a lot of brain development that goes along with cursive. It is a shame public school no longer requires it. When I taught second and third grade in public schools, I snuck it in as much as possible. Apparently there's NOT a lot of brain development attached to cursive, or even to traditional note taking, the way most of us older generations learned. I'm an extensive note taker and my son's doctor was telling me about this Wednesday. I didn't have time to get any sources, so I plan to look into it. If you have sources, please share. (That's not a challenge, I find it fascinating. ) I'm someone who has to annotate and diagram my way through a text or lecture- if only to stay focused. But I recognize at least one of my sons has a huge ability to learn, and retain, without doing this. I don't know about brain development, but there were several recent studies that compared handwritten note taking and computer aided note taking - and the old fashioned way was significantly better for comprehension and retention. Now there's always going to be variability based on learning style etc... www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/take-notes-by-hand-for-better-long-term-comprehension.html
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 18:51:26 GMT
This baffles me. Reading is more than deciphering the individual shapes of letters. If you can pick up some of the clues - like letters that are easy to recognize in cursive - you can decipher it. Maybe not as simply as all that - but it's not like cursive is suddenly some obscure Asian script. My 7yo hasn't had one second of cursive instruction yet - and won't in public school - and can decipher most cursive when she comes across it. She can even decipher my notoriously terrible chicken scratch. Which is way harder than deciphering some nice tidy cursive writing Exactly. My son, also 7, hasn't been taught cursive but can read it fine. Most letters resemble print enough that it's fairly easy to figure out what the others are when presented them in context.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 18:54:05 GMT
I would think that anyone who works with legal documents would need to be able to read cursive. Otherwise, how would you even know if a signature was the name required? I conducted countless loan signings and I'd say that no more than 25% of people have signatures that are actually legible.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 20, 2015 19:02:51 GMT
This baffles me. Reading is more than deciphering the individual shapes of letters. If you can pick up some of the clues - like letters that are easy to recognize in cursive - you can decipher it. Maybe not as simply as all that - but it's not like cursive is suddenly some obscure Asian script. My 7yo hasn't had one second of cursive instruction yet - and won't in public school - and can decipher most cursive when she comes across it. She can even decipher my notoriously terrible chicken scratch. Which is way harder than deciphering some nice tidy cursive writing Exactly. My son, also 7, hasn't been taught cursive but can read it fine. Most letters resemble print enough that it's fairly easy to figure out what the others are when presented them in context. I'm betting there's a huge difference in learning styles that plays a role here and is related to children's ability to read. I've noticed tremendous differences between how easily children learn to read - in my relatively small sample, I'm sure teachers see even more dramatic difference. Some kids seem to be able to easily connect the letters, to sounds to words - but others struggle with some of those connections. I imagine that would impact their ability to easily decipher script. I can absolutely tell you that I've seen young adults who cannot read script, as I was at a graduation party and the graduate could not read who the cards were from when written in script.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Nov 20, 2015 19:06:11 GMT
DD asked her sweet 3rd grade teacher to teach her to write in cursive, and her teacher worked with her independently. Later, in 5th or 6th grade, a teacher did a short chapter with her class. That said, Alison could already READ cursive at that point. She didn't find that challenging at all.
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