sharlag
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Post by sharlag on Dec 3, 2015 19:38:27 GMT
where I think LIE should.
Example: "LAYING around in bed" was in a "Why December is the best month" montage I saw online.
And I hear people telling people and pets to "go LAY down".
Is it one of those grammar rules that is sort of caving in to common usage?
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Dalai Mama
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Post by Dalai Mama on Dec 3, 2015 19:42:34 GMT
I shall NEVER cave!!!   |
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Post by utmr on Dec 3, 2015 19:52:45 GMT
People lie, objects lay.
But in casual conversation it it can/may and less/fewer.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Dec 3, 2015 19:59:43 GMT
Is it one of those grammar rules that is sort of caving in to common usage? Grammar rules do not "cave." Illiterate people simply don't adhere to them. |
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Post by Mary_K on Dec 3, 2015 20:03:37 GMT
I consider myself pretty advanced in correct grammar & spelling.
However, lay & lie, whom & who, always get me.
Mary K
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sharlag
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Post by sharlag on Dec 3, 2015 20:05:46 GMT
I consider myself pretty advanced in correct grammar & spelling. However, lay & lie, whom & who, always get me. Mary K Affect and effect get me. And yes, I've read the explanations. My brain just refuses to hold the info. |
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Post by anxiousmom on Dec 3, 2015 20:10:13 GMT
If I am writing and paying attention prior to a nap, I would note that I plan to lie down for rest. If I am speaking to my children and really tired, my somewhat lax southern accent might roll out while I tell them that I am going to lay down and rest my eyes. I know the know the difference-but I may forget myself sometimes.  |
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Post by NanaKate on Dec 3, 2015 21:14:26 GMT
An English teacher friend of mine corrects students who get it wrong with "hens lay" - I always think of her when someone uses lay instead of lie.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Dec 3, 2015 21:20:59 GMT
where I think LIE should. Example: "LAYING around in bed" was in a "Why December is the best month" montage I saw online. And I hear people telling people and pets to "go LAY down".Is it one of those grammar rules that is sort of caving in to common usage? I've tried schooling my pets in grammar, but they still refuse to learn  |
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AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Dec 3, 2015 22:10:34 GMT
But then the whole distinction is muddied by the fact that the past tense of LIE is LAY. ("I lay on the couch like a big slug all damn day.") |
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Post by Drew on Dec 3, 2015 22:17:45 GMT
Whenever I hear someone say they're going to lay on the couch I wonder if they're going to lay eggs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 22:32:34 GMT
I tell my kids, lie means to recline - lie, recline both have long "i" sounds.
Lay means to place - lay, place have long "a" sounds.
That seems to have helped them (and me) to remember the rules. Until past tense stuff pops up and then we google. Ha!
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 3, 2015 22:35:37 GMT
where I think LIE should. And I hear people telling people and pets to "go LAY down". People lie, objects lay. But in casual conversation it it can/may and less/fewer. Sooo, since pets are technically not people wouldn't that be correct? I think if I told mine to "go LIE down" they would just look at me all confused! |
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sharlag
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Post by sharlag on Dec 3, 2015 22:41:53 GMT
where I think LIE should. And I hear people telling people and pets to "go LAY down". People lie, objects lay. But in casual conversation it it can/may and less/fewer. Sooo, since pets are technically not people wouldn't that be correct? I think if I told mine to "go LIE down" they would just look at me all confused! I think the verb LAY requires an object, and the LIE verb doesn't . I don't remember it having to do with people or pets. So it's "I'm going to LIE down" or "I'm going to LAY myself down." That's what I remember from grammar class. |
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Post by deep on Dec 3, 2015 22:53:42 GMT
I only remember this lesson because a middle school teacher thought he was clever and had a boy come up to the front of the class. The teacher physically maneuvered him into a horizontal position on the floor and announced "I just laid Matt!"
Poor Matt.
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Post by 950nancy on Dec 3, 2015 23:13:57 GMT
I find that if I am really struggling I will just change the sentence so I don't have to use either word. I learned the people lie things lay version. With who and whom I just replace whom with him and see if that still sounds okay.
I feel sorry for Matt.
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Post by mom2rjcr on Dec 3, 2015 23:21:54 GMT
My dad always said, "Chickens lay." I use that when I am trying to decide when to use lie or lay
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Post by anxiousmom on Dec 3, 2015 23:27:34 GMT
But then the whole distinction is muddied by the fact that the past tense of LIE is LAY. ("I lay on the couch like a big slug all damn day.") I was going to make a joke about being a lazy layabout and spending the day being all Netflix and chill...but then I think the correct tense would be 'laid.' |
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Post by snappinsami on Dec 3, 2015 23:29:56 GMT
This is just about the only grammar rule that trips me up sometimes. What I remember from school (or maybe it was somewhere else, I don't really remember I guess) is "Lie like a rug."
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Post by HelenaJole on Dec 3, 2015 23:44:48 GMT
I'm always pleasantly surprised when I hear it used correctly. (Even in books and TV dialog these days.)
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Post by lucyg on Dec 3, 2015 23:45:01 GMT
Lay/lie drives me nuts. My mom really pounded that one into our heads (along with many others). I can't believe how many people misuse them. I love DGS's teacher but she says lay for lie. Many seemingly well-educated people do the same.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 23:51:46 GMT
But then the whole distinction is muddied by the fact that the past tense of LIE is LAY. ("I lay on the couch like a big slug all damn day.") I was going to make a joke about being a lazy layabout and spending the day being all Netflix and chill ...but then I think the correct tense would be 'laid.' lie - is to put yourself in a flat( horizontal) position. lay to put something ( object) down in a flat position. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 23:54:09 GMT
I like the look of lay better than lie. It is a prettier spelling. Lie is kind of mean looking.
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Nicole in TX
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Post by Nicole in TX on Dec 4, 2015 0:49:20 GMT
That is how I remember it. I do use the terms incorrectly, however. It is one of the few grammar rules that doesn't bug me. |
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Post by Pahina722 on Dec 4, 2015 1:47:56 GMT
Lie is intransitive (doesn't transfer its action to anything else), so I lie down. (Lie, lay, have lain)
Lay is transitive (transfers action to something else), so I lay my head down. (Lay, laid, have laid) It might help if you think about sex!
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Post by Skypea on Dec 4, 2015 1:56:32 GMT
I was good in spelling and grammar in school... then I had kids and 'take' became 'tooken' and 'cookies' became 'cokies' (on the grocery list)
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Post by Skypea on Dec 4, 2015 2:03:01 GMT
But then the whole distinction is muddied by the fact that the past tense of LIE is LAY. ("I lay on the couch like a big slug all damn day.") ok, that makes my head hurt... |
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YooHoot
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Post by YooHoot on Dec 4, 2015 2:05:19 GMT
Your such a looser. |
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Post by mikklynn on Dec 4, 2015 2:14:33 GMT
Argh! People lie, chickens lay.
I hate when newscasters get it wrong. I expect more.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 2:22:14 GMT
Your such a looser. Your a cranky pants today. I think you need to go lay down! |
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