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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Dec 7, 2015 11:25:32 GMT
No, I think that is exactly what they want. They want us there. I've read they want to kill our soldiers on their land. This. Amd please remember, they go by no rules of war & honor. If our boots are on the ground there, I fear they would video atrocities and torture of our people and broadcast it worldwide. We should not go there. you can not kill idealisms and thoughts by killing some of the people who believe them. There will always be more people willing to kill for ISIS.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Dec 7, 2015 12:07:11 GMT
I think we learned through the Iraq war that the democratic model or nation building does not work in the Middle East. These "peaceful" Muslims have been fighting with each other for 14 centuries since the death of the prophet Mohammed. It has nothing to do with education or economics they are fighting an ideological religious war. Even if we kill Assad and destroy ISIS another group will rise up and take over where the last one left off. I think we should become energy independent. Let them keep their oil, eat dates, ride their camels and kill each other. Sometimes I feel that the wheels are already in motion and we at on the cusp of WW3.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Dec 7, 2015 12:07:43 GMT
No to boots on the ground. No, no, no. We cannot win a military campaign against this type of enemy. If Vietnam didn't teach us that, then the last 14 years should. We need to get out of the Middle East and let them fight amongst themselves. The involvement European and American powers in the region has planted seeds of hatred that will not die until we're out of there. They do not value democracy like we do because they have no allegiance to a country, only to their particular branch of Islam. It seems noble of us to want them to have the freedoms we enjoy. But our attempts to make them into our allies has backfired every time. We give billions of dollars to the very people to want us dead and finance terrorism against us. Stop sending them financial aid, stop buying oil from them, stop sending troops to die in wars we have no business fighting. ITA!
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Post by katieanna on Dec 7, 2015 14:56:53 GMT
Would help? Polls are starting to lean that way-to send in troops rather than just air raids and support of local groups. Do you think it would help? Or do you think it will make it worse? Will it drag on for years and years? Or would it shorten the fight? I do not think it will help in the least bit. if we are going to get militarily involved I think the only solution is to blanket bomb Syria to the point nothing is left and no one is left alive; Hiroshima and Nagasaki style. Then go after anyone who is muslim and dares raise an objection. That is a very unsavory solution. No one wants to think of innocents being killed (even me) Every time we've supported local groups it has come back to bit us years later. The groups we train, arm and support later become the aggressors. ISIS is unusually organized and disciplined within it's ranks. It makes me suspect we used them in the past to support our aims. They are well trained in guerrilla tactics. Putting our troops on the ground will just end up as a blood bath for our troops. I think you're right. I also think it's a situation that will get much worse before it gets better...if it ever gets better.
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Post by anonrefugee on Dec 7, 2015 16:18:28 GMT
I don't believe that IS can be defeated physically, they are fighting a war of ideology. Even if we did wipe out all the current IS fighters there will forever be more coming up who don't want our type of democracy. This isn't a war that can won in this way, or even one that we should be fighting perhaps, despite how terrifying their burgeoning growth and spread is. There needs to be a strong 'home grown' leader in the region to take/regain control. And there it is. The most logical and likely successful scenario. And in western/ Judeo-Christian terms, treat others like you want to be treated. But history shows our government(s) will still feel the need to back their choice for the strong leader. And they don't always make the right choice, starting the cycle all over again. I wish it was as easy as personal relations with a crazy person. Disengage and walk away. I think it was @nicksmom that wrote a good summary earlier.
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Post by craftygardenmom on Dec 7, 2015 16:38:43 GMT
Help what and who? (or is it whom?) I think it would help in Syria, but if your question is really asking would it help fight world terrorism/radicalist actions, no I don't think so. 10 years ago we were only talking about the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Now it's ISIL...I truly believe that radical Islamists (NOT Muslims!) will continue to pop up wherever for the rest of our lifetime, maybe even our great grandkids.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 21:01:30 GMT
it does have a nice sound to it, but really there would be no way I would support it. There are civilians, children, babies...that have nothing to do with isis and I'm not willing to sacrifice them. Now, I am all for bombing training camps and trying to take out leaders and such Therein lies the problem. In guerrilla warfare there aren't training camps in the traditional sense. The training camps are in community centers, near schools, in apartment complexes, near shopping plazas. Leaders live and work within family compounds. We can't bomb the training camps without also bombing innocents. That leaves washing our hands of the mess and walking away. Another reason we can't win a war against them. They have no problem with killing innocents, even their own people, while traditional rules of warfare like the Geneva Convention forbid it. We don't have the stomach to do what they do - which is a good thing, IMO. And so the war will go on and on and on. Every bomb that drops and kills innocent civilians is used against us. People who might have been ambivalent toward the US or European countries lose a loved one in the bombings and now vow to see us pay. Drone hits that kill a wedding party? Doctors Without Borders hospitals accidentally bombed? Yep, every time that happens, the number of people who want to see us destroyed increases. We make new enemies every day. The thought of sending American men and women to fight against them sickens me. If captured, they will be brutally tortured and killed. Are we willing to let our soldiers die this way for nothing?
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