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Post by tara595 on Dec 7, 2015 14:53:52 GMT
My 13 month old has been a pretty good sleeper and has been sleeping through the night since about 6 months old. The past couple of weeks he's gotten into a bad pattern of waking and crying and he won't stop until my DH or I go in and pick him and soothe him. I never go in until he's been crying for at least 10 - 20 minutes, and usually by then he just works himself up and is pretty much screaming. I'll sit in the glider with him and he'll usually fall asleep on me and then I can put him back in the crib, but he has to be fast asleep otherwise it starts all over again. I know I'm to blame for it, but it's torture hearing him cry and I have to be up at 5:30 every morning so I'll do anything for him to get to sleep!
Does anyone have any advice? I'm desperate!
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Post by raindancer on Dec 7, 2015 14:58:43 GMT
Have you tried going in sooner, and soothing him in his bed? I feel like maybe he is having bad dreams or something, and I cannot imagine being scared and crying and crying for someone to help me feel less afraid alone in the dark for 20 mins.
Respond sooner and maybe he will not need to be held and rocked because he knows you are there and he is safe.
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Post by theshyone on Dec 7, 2015 15:06:20 GMT
I tried with my daughter and she would get herself into such a state she would puke, and vomit, and choke. It must be terrible to be crying out for help and to be totally ignored. Do what you feel needs and works for you.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Dec 7, 2015 15:09:47 GMT
Are you sure he's not hungry? I could always tell when my son was going through a major growth spurt as he'd stop sleeping through the night. Just something to consider - particularly if he's always been a good sleeper and it's just developed.
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Post by gar on Dec 7, 2015 15:10:10 GMT
Yes, but in a very controlled way - not leaving them to cry for hours!!
Does he fall asleep by himself when you put him to bed initially?
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Post by paigepea on Dec 7, 2015 15:11:15 GMT
We did cry it out for both girls but they never cried for longer than 5 min before re-settling, and it only took 2-3 days to break a waking pattern. What about going in and not picking him up. Maybe rubbing his tummy but not picking him up. I've heard parents eventually try to just stand at the door. Good luck!
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Post by mallie on Dec 7, 2015 15:19:33 GMT
Yes.
But first, you have to figure out if the kid is hungry, wet, in pain, etc.
If not and it seems to be a pattern developing, then we did not pick them up. We would rub their backs for a moment or two, then walk to the door. Worked for us with all our kids.
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Post by utmr on Dec 7, 2015 15:32:33 GMT
Once, it lasted about 10 minutes before I couldn't stand it anymore.
I know some people are big fans of CIO. But for us, it just worked better to go and take care of them. Rock, soothe, whatever until they felt better. We brought them into our bed until they were ok on their own again.
Good luck.
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Post by tara595 on Dec 7, 2015 15:33:22 GMT
I don't think he's hungry because I'll give him a bottle sometimes and he won't drink all of it. If he has a dirty diaper, I'll change it of course. I do rub his back and that helps a bit but not completely. I would never leave him crying for hours, but even the 20 minutes kills me!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 15:38:04 GMT
My 13 month old has been a pretty good sleeper and has been sleeping through the night since about 6 months old. The past couple of weeks he's gotten into a bad pattern of waking and crying and he won't stop until my DH or I go in and pick him and soothe him. I never go in until he's been crying for at least 10 - 20 minutes, and usually by then he just works himself up and is pretty much screaming. I'll sit in the glider with him and he'll usually fall asleep on me and then I can put him back in the crib, but he has to be fast asleep otherwise it starts all over again. I know I'm to blame for it, but it's torture hearing him cry and I have to be up at 5:30 every morning so I'll do anything for him to get to sleep! Does anyone have any advice? I'm desperate! My kids are now 7 and 9. I did not like the cry it out method. I found the Baby Whisperer Books by Tracey Hogg (will check her name) and they were brilliant. She says that leaving them to cry it out breaks their trust. Instead she has a shush shush pat pat method, which I liked much more. Worked great for us . I forget all the details. Your local library will probably have the books if you don't want to buy. My first had colic and for the first nine months it was pretty hard work. My second was my easy baby. They are both great sleepers now! Here is the baby book www.amazon.com/Secrets-Baby-Whisperer-Connect-Communicate/dp/0345479092/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1449502632&sr=8-1&keywords=baby+whispererGood luck! and Hugs
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Post by anxiousmom on Dec 7, 2015 15:38:42 GMT
I wasn't a cry-it-out mom; more of a let them sleep with me, family bed kind of mom. I think this is one of those things that there really is no best answer, but rather picking the one that works for you, the baby and your family.
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Post by gar on Dec 7, 2015 15:42:49 GMT
I don't think he's hungry because I'll give him a bottle sometimes and he won't drink all of it. If he has a dirty diaper, I'll change it of course. I do rub his back and that helps a bit but not completely. I would never leave him crying for hours, but even the 20 minutes kills me! The main idea (after eliminating hunger/pain etc) is to teach him that there's no reason to 'call' you, that night time is for long sleeps and that he can get himself back to sleep and doesn't need you. You need to try and reassure him with the minimum of interaction so no picking up, no cuddles, no talking, no lights etc. Try just a short back pat/rub then leave, come back quite soon if he cries but only briefly, repeat the back patting then leave. Repeat as needed. Don't leave him to cry for too long as he'll be too upset to self soothe but generally speaking something has woken him and he just needs to learn to get himself back to sleep. I *know* it's not as simple as this for everyone, but it is worth a try. Nothing is harder than hearing your baby cry but it often only takes a really short time to sort out the issue with a little persistence. Short term pain for long term gain - all round! ETA - does he fall asleep without you initially?
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Post by whopea on Dec 7, 2015 15:45:46 GMT
CIO has more to do with putting a child down to sleep than it does with waking in the night. I wonder if it's happening at approximately the same time each night? If it is, he may be having trouble transitioning to REM sleep because of a dream. If it is the case where it's happening consistently at the same time, I would recommend going in and gently nudging or rustling him about 5 minutes prior to the typical start time. Don't wake him, but a gentle disruption of the sleep pattern may force his brain over that hurdle and get him to REM sleep.
Another possibility is that with the change of seasons, he may be getting too hot or too cold in his room and that could be disrupting his sleep. Check that his clothing and ventilation is appropriate. No matter the season, one of mine likes a ceiling fan on in the room for the white noise and air circulation.
Finally, if it's none of those things, I wouldn't let it go 15 - 20 minutes if it's in the middle of the night. I would go in right away and soothe him back to sleep by gentle back patting or rubs. I wouldn't get him out of his crib.
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Post by pierkiss on Dec 7, 2015 15:48:08 GMT
Yes I did cry it out with all of mine. We would let them cry for about 20 mins max. If they stopped, yay! If not, we'd go in, lay them back down in their cribs, pat their backs, speak in soft voices until they were calm and drowsy, hit the sleepy time music frog, check the nightlight and hand them their lovey. Then we'd leave very quietly. Sometimes it worked after 1 visit. Other times it would take 2-3 or more visits. But it worked with all 3 of mine. They are very lovely sleepers now.
No matter what you decide to do with them the key is consistency. If you're going to do cry it out figure out a game plan and decide on a time frame and absolutely stick to it. Hopefully it will work for you!
Also, none of my kids were the type that would work themselves up into a frenzy and then vomit. If they had been that way I'm not sure what we would have done.
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Post by raindancer on Dec 7, 2015 15:55:27 GMT
CIO has more to do with putting a child down to sleep than it does with waking in the night. I wonder if it's happening at approximately the same time each night? If it is, he may be having trouble transitioning to REM sleep because of a dream. If it is the case where it's happening consistently at the same time, I would recommend going in and gently nudging or rustling him about 5 minutes prior to the typical start time. Don't wake him, but a gentle disruption of the sleep pattern may force his brain over that hurdle and get him to REM sleep. Another possibility is that with the change of seasons, he may be getting too hot or too cold in his room and that could be disrupting his sleep. Check that his clothing and ventilation is appropriate. No matter the season, one of mine likes a ceiling fan on in the room for the white noise and air circulation. Finally, if it's none of those things, I wouldn't let it go 15 - 20 minutes if it's in the middle of the night. I would go in right away and soothe him back to sleep by gentle back patting or rubs. I wouldn't get him out of his crib. I was thinking these things or also teething. His mouth might hurt and that's why bottles aren't appealing either.
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Post by tara595 on Dec 7, 2015 16:07:50 GMT
he does *usually* fall asleep without us initially anywhere between 7 - 7:30 and takes one 2 - 3 hour nap a day. He wakes up each night at different times. Last night it was 10:30, the night before it 2:00! I like the idea of not letting him cry for more than 5 minutes and then just rubbing his back for just a few minutes. I have to train MYSELF not to pick him up even though he's practically climbing up me!
Thanks everyone for all the different perspectives, this mama thing is not easy!
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Post by gar on Dec 7, 2015 16:14:16 GMT
he does *usually* fall asleep without us initially anywhere between 7 - 7:30 and takes one 2 - 3 hour nap a day. He wakes up each night at different times. Last night it was 10:30, the night before it 2:00! I like the idea of not letting him cry for more than 5 minutes and then just rubbing his back for just a few minutes. I have to train MYSELF not to pick him up even though he's practically climbing up me! Thanks everyone for all the different perspectives, this mama thing is not easy! It isn't it it, but I'm sure you're doing a great job Another book recommendation, if you are interested, is Richard Ferber's Solve Your Child's Sleep problems. Good luck!
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Post by whopea on Dec 7, 2015 16:18:35 GMT
he does *usually* fall asleep without us initially anywhere between 7 - 7:30 and takes one 2 - 3 hour nap a day. He wakes up each night at different times. Last night it was 10:30, the night before it 2:00! I like the idea of not letting him cry for more than 5 minutes and then just rubbing his back for just a few minutes. I have to train MYSELF not to pick him up even though he's practically climbing up me! Thanks everyone for all the different perspectives, this mama thing is not easy! No, it's not easy at all. You're a good mom though for asking questions and seeking solutions! You'll get through this (and so will he). p.s. another book recommendation - Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child by Dr Marc Weissbluth. An excellent read. Another suggestion for you - if it persists, I would call your pediatrician and get some advice from them. They've seen and heard it all and may have a few other ideas for you.
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Post by bethany102399 on Dec 7, 2015 16:18:29 GMT
I tried with my daughter and she would get herself into such a state she would puke, and vomit, and choke. This was me and my DD too. I know it works for some, but for us it just wasn't feasible. I agree with the others, find out what's wrong first before trying CIO. Is he hungry? having a bad dream? Getting a new tooth? ETA, this too shall pass. I had to physically shake my now 9 YO DD to get her to wake up this morning. She proceeded to try and roll over and go back to sleep.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Dec 7, 2015 16:35:11 GMT
p.s. another book recommendation - Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child by Dr Marc Weissbluth. An excellent read. I second the book recommendation. He doesn't want you to let the baby cry for hours but he helps you help them put themselves back to sleep. Saved my sanity!
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Post by Basket1lady on Dec 7, 2015 16:38:11 GMT
I did. It was horrible and I cried right along with DS. But I'd do it again. He was about 8 months old. We had moved at 6 months, gone on vacation, and he was teething. Once we were settled again, I really, really tried to establish good sleeping habits again. The routine of bath, book, and then nursing him to a drowsy state, going in and patting him, going in and holding his hand, bringing him into bed with us... I really did try. But it wasn't working and then one day we were playing on the playroom floor and I fell asleep--probably for about 15 minutes. It scared the crud out of me and I new things had to change. It was just too dangerous. (The playroom was right off the kitchen, with the stove, dog dishes, chairs to climb on--this kid got into everything.) DH worked from 5 am to 7 pm and it was just me there at home. We did CIO and that kid lasted for 45 minutes the first night and longer the second night. By the second night, I was a sobbing mess outside his bedroom door. But I'd agreed to try it for a week. The third night, I gave him a blankie that I'd been sleeping with to get my scent on it. He woke up, I went in to soothe him and gave him the blanket. He's slept through the night for the last 18 years. I felt horrible doing it, but it was dangerous for me to only be getting 3-4 hours of sleep for weeks on end. I never noticed any trust issues and this was a kid who would let you know what he was feeling. I really tried to give him extra snuggles during the day and would take the blanket with us when I nursed. He was definitely attached to that blanket for longer than he should have, but it was better than the alternative. I want to say that maybe it was Brazelton? who was an advocate of the blankie? *If you do the blankie route--get 3. One to have, one to wash and one to lose. We left one in a hotel room when he was about 5 and never got it back. Luckily we had backups! I'm happy to say that DD didn't need CIO. She was happy to snuggle in bed with us at 3 am. When she would wake up, I'd just go and get her and bring her in with us.
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Post by moveablefeast on Dec 7, 2015 16:47:06 GMT
Yup, I did it. Swore I never would. Was so damn tired none of us were functioning at all. Cosleeping was a nightmare. Something had to give.
One day she cried for 30-40 minutes and fell asleep. Next day, 5 minutes. After that, no crying and she slept all night. At a year old they are developmentally ready to sleep that long. I had resisted too long. It revolutionized our lives.
I read the Healthy Sleep Habits book and it was a godsend for us.
Midnight wakings got a cup of water and a pat on the back. No picking up, no rocking, no nursing/bottles. She was trying to get up, eat, and be social. Nope. If that makes me insensitive, well, meh. Everyone in our house needed real sleep. Including her.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Dec 7, 2015 17:08:00 GMT
I did CIO for naps. I waited until we had been away and her pattern was disrupted anyway. It took three times and problem solved.
We had got in the habit of soothing her to sleep in the glider. I think being held and the rock motion helped put her back to sleep.
It got to the point where the motion of putting her back in her cot, woke her up again.
I think the big mistake we made was ever taking her out of the crib. I also encouraged her to sleep with a toy. It became her dolly. She eventually started rubbing the dolly three pieces of yarn, her hair and that became her soother.
After that if she woke in the night and couldn't find dolly she might cry. But giving her dolly and not speaking.. she would be back to sleep before I left the room.
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Post by finally~a~mama on Dec 7, 2015 17:10:55 GMT
My 2 1/2 yr old DD will cry out in the night every once in awhile. When she does that DH usually goes in to soothe her. He rubs her back, puts her blanket back on, talks softly. We figured out if *I* went in to her she would sit right up & want to be held. She's more attached to me and seems to think she "needs" me if she sees me, but settles quickly for DH.
We did CIO for our oldest DD when she was about 14 months. But that was to put her to sleep and only after all else failed. It lasted 3 nights and the longest it ever lasted was 17 minutes from put in crib to asleep. With both our girls if they cried out during the night we went to them. Older DD we would bring back to our bed. I say whatever works for parents & baby to get the most sleep.
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Post by ExpatBackHome on Dec 7, 2015 17:44:32 GMT
Yes. The first one took less than a week. Cried for about 20-30 minutes the first night and decreased from there. The second one, whew, could work itself into a state. At almost 11 months and still waking to eat 2-3 times a night I couldn't do it anymore. At that point I put him down awake every single time. If he started crying, me going in and patting him wouldn't work. I had to pick him up and rock him. I couldn't bring him into my bed like the first one because he wouldn't settle down. So he had to cry. Once I started putting him down awake it took about 2 weeks and he no longer woke up crying. When he cried in the middle of the night, I would slowly get his bottle. Sometimes he'd fall back asleep before I got to his room. It was soooo hard but it was the only way with him. My first did better with the going in after 5 minutes, pat on the back, etc. good luck!!
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Post by epeanymous on Dec 7, 2015 18:06:13 GMT
My kids have all gone in cycles. Sometimes sleeping all night, sometimes waking a lot. My three month old was sometimes sleeping through the night at a month old. Now she is up a few times every night. I remember this as a cycle with all of my kids, and now the non-infants all sleep like rocks all night. I think that, except for the occasional sick kid, maybe between all of them they have woken up in the night and fetched one of us less than ten times.
I say this not because I am trying to advocate for not doing CIO. I think CIO with a tiny baby is not appropriate, but you don't have a tiny baby. I am sharing this mostly to reassure you that whatever you decide, this period will almost certainly pass.
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Post by styxgirl on Dec 7, 2015 18:11:47 GMT
I did once. I went in at 5 minute intervals. The kid outlasted me. At 45 minutes I caved. It too her more than an hour to calm down.
After that, we co-slept happily until she was ready for her own room. It was family-bliss. Everyone slept better. It worked great for us, but may not be good for all families.
It may seem like a pain at the time to rock, soothe and comfort. But, let me tell you, soon, you will wish they were small again and could be rocked, soothed and comforted.
They grow up too fast. Like the country song says, "You're gonna miss this"
Hugs!
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Post by mamastone on Dec 7, 2015 18:15:08 GMT
We did use CIO for the transition from bassinet in our room to their cribs in their rooms, at around 10 - 12 weeks. It worked great, they each cried about 5 mins the first night, 2 mins the second night, and by the 3rd night they had adjusted. We were lucky.
However, both of our kids (DS is 5, DD is 3) wake up on occasion....probably 1 - 2 times a month. We do a sip of water if needed, or just hugs and comfort, then back to bed. On rare occasions, DD will crawl in bed with us.
Be flexible, and do what works for you. Everyone on this thread had great tips!
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Post by calgal08 on Dec 7, 2015 18:16:37 GMT
Yes, we did CIO for both our boys. Not that we let them cry for hours, but, we would let them cry for a few minutes, go to them, re-cover them, and walk away, no talking to them or anything. The only difference for us, we started it at about 8 weeks old (no judging please, it was something we had talked long and hard about and for us it was the best option), it completely worked in no time at all. Our oldest slept through the night at 10 weeks and our youngest at 12 weeks.
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Post by kellybelly77 on Dec 7, 2015 18:57:19 GMT
I have not, but perhaps if I had, my 3yo would be sleeping through the night! I get no sleep and it's brutal but I can't seem to stomach CIO. People swear by it but I can't stand listening to the sobs and screams of mama coming from her room.
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