johnnysmom
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Post by johnnysmom on Dec 9, 2015 2:54:12 GMT
Whoa. Something is not right here and personally I think the sheriff's office knows it if they're calling her asking all those questions. I'm 20 years older than your DD and if a cop did that I'd either drive off or be calling 911. There's just too many cases of people posing as police that I wouldn't be risking it. But either way I'd be scared out of my mind, I can't imagine how scared she was.
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Post by angieh1996 on Dec 9, 2015 2:55:18 GMT
A lot of squad cars have cameras on them so when you initiate initiate a stop with lights and sirens they automatically start recording.
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Post by luanne on Dec 9, 2015 3:00:53 GMT
I am hoping they do review the tape on this. My dh and I both heard him yelling through the phone and it was not on speaker. My dh pulled it away from his ear because it was so loud.
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Post by mallie on Dec 9, 2015 3:04:57 GMT
How scary. I just read this to my DH. He's a retired police officer. He said if Internal affairs is calling, then the officer involved is gonna get his ass in trouble. He said if she was completely stopped he had absolutely no right to hit her with his car. The cop cars are equipped with a PA system he could have easily gotten on that and told her to pull forward to get off the road completely.
I can't imagine how scared she must have been. The bolded is my experience as well. I once got pulled over when I was in the left most lane. The left side of the road was very wide with a huge shoulder/median. There was no other car in sight. I pulled over on the left side because I honestly thought it would be safer for the officer to get out on the left side of his car since there would therefore be no possibility of him getting hit by traffic. He pulled up behind me and yelled at me through the PA to get on the right side of the road. Which I did. Then he yelled at me face to face again, at which point I explained my reasoning. He calmed down. (I did not get a ticket or a warning, actually.) Anyway, my dd had a friend whose father is a LEO. She was actually pulled over by a cop who sat behind her with the lights and siren going for 20 minutes. She was scared shitless and called her father. He told her to call 911. She did. 911 called that cop and asked him what was going on and he told them that he was trying to scare her. As far as the person who got pulled over by yellow lights -- we have been told over and over to never pull over for anything but blue and red lights. And if someone is using other lights, you are to drive to the nearest police station or call 911 for information. There have been far too many incidents of assaults around here by perps who buy lights and pull females over. |
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Post by littlemama on Dec 9, 2015 3:06:16 GMT
I am hoping they do review the tape on this. My dh and I both heard him yelling through the phone and it was not on speaker. My dh pulled it away from his ear because it was so loud. I don't think I would be "hoping", I think I would be insisting, although If they know about the stop, chances are they already have. I would call I/A back and make sure. |
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Post by compeateropeator on Dec 9, 2015 3:11:02 GMT
I'm a bit confused. Did he follow her for 10-15 minutes before she finally pulled over? Or did she pull over and he sat in his car behind her for that time frame? No she pulled over right away. He just sat behind her with lights and siren going even after she parked. She was on the shoulder of the right lane. I know it does take time to run our plates but I thought they do that with siren off. I have been pulled over many times (  ) and have never had them use the siren at all. And all the times that I have seen officers pulling someone over they did not use the siren either, with the exception of small increments/burst if it seems that the person did not notice them behind them with their lights on. That alone is strange and troubling. Also if he wanted her to move over he could have gone to the passengers window and ask that she move forward and further to the right. All sorts of wrong conduct seemed to happen, I am sorry your daughter had to deal with this. |
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Post by scorpeao on Dec 9, 2015 3:20:48 GMT
There was no reason for him to bump the car. They have loud speakers in their car don't they? Couldn't he have gotten on it and said to pull over more? I've been on the freeway and been yelled at on those speakers while the cop was driving, so I know it can be done!
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Post by mom on Dec 9, 2015 3:35:23 GMT
You (and your daughter) have a right to review the tape. Insist on it.
Please be documenting EVERYTHING - calls (with names, times, dates), any interviews, your DD version of the incident.
In no way, shape or form is it appropriate for an officer to use his car to 'bump' another vehicle.
I am betting that the shit is about to hit the fan, and the officer is in a heap of trouble.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Dec 9, 2015 3:38:07 GMT
If this had happened to my son, I would be raising effing holy hell. You think I am bat shit crazy on here? Touch my son and watch me flip out...and we have a very good lawyer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 3:49:51 GMT
In that situation I would have immediately called 911 and asked to have a supervisor dispatched. Ever since Craig Peyer (Cara Knott) I have been leery of being pulled over in the dark by any LEO. Especially being a single woman who is almost always driving alone. I hope she gets some answers and is able to learn from this incident. |
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Post by scrapgirl on Dec 9, 2015 4:22:09 GMT
Wow, I'm sorry that your daughter had this experience.
My husband is a LEO, and he said the same as a previous poster, that that cop is a knob, usually every marked police car has a PA system and he should have told her to pull over more through the speaker if that was an issue (it is always possible that his was broken, or didn't have one. But, if so, he still should have just gotten out of his car and told her to move over.). Bumping her was completely unacceptable.
My Dh asked me if you mentioned if the officer was alone, or if a second officer was in the car? Because, if so, the second officer could have been uncomfortable with the stop and raised the issue to his supervisor, which would have prompted the investigation. If not, then it is possible that the illegal parking ticket prompted his supervisor to ask for more details regarding the stop (because an illegal parking ticket is not normally given with a typical traffic stop), which raised more red flags once he told the complete details. The department obviously is concerned with his actions, otherwise they would not be escalating this to internal affairs without an initial complaint from your daughter.
If your daughter admits that she 'may' have been speeding, then chances were that she was. But the rest of the stop is just weird, and frankly, as a LEO supporter, embarrassing and disappointing, and I am glad that the department is looking into it. Something tells me that that officer is going to get into some hot water. In the meantime, as others have said, you should keep a log of who she talks to and when, so that you have an accurate time line. Please keep us updated.
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Post by flute4peace on Dec 9, 2015 4:26:29 GMT
She needs to write up a statement, sign & date it and have it notarized, then go file a complaint with the sheriff's office.
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Post by theroadlesstraveledp on Dec 9, 2015 5:04:39 GMT
That's just weird. Beyond filing a complaint and all of the good info many of the peas gave you; I would also suggest that you find out where the the Police Review Commission for the city or county that you live in is located.
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Post by JustKim on Dec 9, 2015 5:23:13 GMT
How scary for your daughter! I would be consulting w/an attorney ASAP & have them representing my daughter before more phone calls are made. I completely agree!!! |
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Post by theshyone on Dec 9, 2015 5:57:57 GMT
I'd get the car checked out to see if any damage done. Paint transfer etc.
Fake cop pulled a young teen girl over in my community in front of her parents house and kidnapped and assaulted her for days. Stops like this would terrify me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 6:48:04 GMT
At 40, I would be scared. I can't imagine at 19!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 11:39:21 GMT
Several things....
The Sheriff probaly called as the deputy had a dash cam and the video was brought to his attetion. Many departments review their deputies tapes and address any unprofessional behavior as it comes up.
Yes it was a bad move to leave the sirens going, but the lights no. Sometimes it does take that long to run a plate, it depends on dispatch.
Bumping the car, hubby said never. That is why he has a PA and uses it.
Yelling at her, sound like he was unprofessional.
We have a campaign going on right now in our area, we will listen and explain and you will comply than complain.
As a LEO family these unprofessional encounters leave a bad taste for all involoved. A few will try to make all look bad.
It is good that the Sheriff and IA have contacted her. I'd have her follow up in a week.
Good luck.
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Post by cannmom on Dec 9, 2015 11:55:16 GMT
Sounds as if someone handled her very badly and they know it. Tell her I'm 40 something and that would have shook me up and I would not have known that he meant for me to pull over further either. It would have been very simple for him to get out of his car and ask her to pull over more. I would probably want to discuss it with the Sheriff's dept because obviously there is a need for some training on how to handle this type of situation. I wouldn't be out for blood screaming he needs to be fired, but I would want to know that he was aware that he handled it badly. I would not be happy about my car being bumped.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Dec 9, 2015 12:04:59 GMT
I think the difference would have been the minute he hit me car I would have been on the phone with an attorney to allow him to listen in on the rest of the stop. Anyway, my dd had a friend whose father is a LEO. She was actually pulled over by a cop who sat behind her with the lights and siren going for 20 minutes. She was scared shitless and called her father. He told her to call 911. She did. 911 called that cop and asked him what was going on and he told them that he was trying to scare her. The call to 911 is the appropriate choice. My advice would be to seek some legal representation before you have any further contact with law enforcement regarding this situation. |
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Post by melissa on Dec 9, 2015 14:32:29 GMT
She needs to write up a statement, sign & date it and have it notarized, then go file a complaint with the sheriff's office. I agree with this, but as others said, get an attorney ASAP and let them handle filing the complaint. If your area is like this area, there will be a police report generated and you will start getting letters from attorneys looking for business. |
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Post by Prenticekid on Dec 9, 2015 14:50:42 GMT
Why on earth do people think that because a LEO gets angry he is permitted to bump a car, punch someone or shoot them? They don't. End of story. If they can't control their emotions and actions, they need to get out of the business.
When you are on the job, do you get to be angry and retaliate against people? I don't. No one does. A client seriously ticked me off the other day. He was being a total jerk. I wanted to throw his file at him, but I didn't.
After 15 minutes, that sheriff would have had a good idea of who was in that car and he absolutely had the knowledge that the person was compliant. There was no reason for him to behave the way he did. And, the parking thing is a joke. If he didn't want her pulling over there, then perhaps, he should have signaled her to pull over elsewhere.
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Post by Meri-Lyn on Dec 9, 2015 14:56:41 GMT
I read it as she pulled over right away, but didn't park the way the officer wanted her to, so he just sat there and then finally bumped her car. I understand his reasons if she wasn't pulled far enough off the road, how many LEOs have died that way? BUT he could have come out, quickly come to her door and said, "Miss, pull forward and further off the road." Instead, he chose to terrify the poor thing. I'm sure she was paralyzed with fear and indecision. I would have been too! Most patrol cars have a loud speaker. Dh got caught speeding one day on the other side of the state, and when he went to pull over, the deputy got on the loud speaker and told him to go to the end of the bridge and pull over, instead of where he was. Unless it was raining that heavy, that she wouldn't have heard it, that makes no sense. The dash cam review makes sense, maybe he's had complaints before. My uneducated guess is someone on the road witnessed the bumping, and called this guy's supervisor. Trust me, even with plenty of family in law enforcement, like any profession, you are going to run into a few assholes. Getting legal counsel, particularly on the illegal parking ticket, is not a bad idea. |
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Post by anxiousmom on Dec 9, 2015 15:22:39 GMT
I think the difference would have been the minute he hit me car I would have been on the phone with an attorney to allow him to listen in on the rest of the stop. Anyway, my dd had a friend whose father is a LEO. She was actually pulled over by a cop who sat behind her with the lights and siren going for 20 minutes. She was scared shitless and called her father. He told her to call 911. She did. 911 called that cop and asked him what was going on and he told them that he was trying to scare her. The call to 911 is the appropriate choice. My advice would be to seek some legal representation before you have any further contact with law enforcement regarding this situation. You are right of course, 911 would have been the more appropriate choice. For me, the call to the attorney would be the first, knee jerk reaction as it is someone I know very, very well and have heard enough 'call me firsts' that if I was freaked out by something out of the ordinary, I imagine I would do it without even thinking about it. |
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Post by freebird on Dec 9, 2015 15:26:43 GMT
I think there's a cop in trouble and if I didn't get the answers I wanted to hear within 24 hours, I'd be advising them they'd be hearing from my lawyer.
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Post by iluvpink on Dec 9, 2015 15:27:06 GMT
I got scared just reading that. I'm 44 and would be in a panic if that happened to me. I think in that case I would have called 911 so they could send someone else out/explain what they thought I should do etc.
I hope it's straightened out and he is disciplined because that does not sound right!
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Post by LeaP on Dec 9, 2015 15:30:28 GMT
I would get a lawyer to preserve evidence. I think this is a big deal. Never ever heard of anything like that. I would be scared to death!  Something is amiss and you need to be sure you have somebody representing you. |
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Post by raindancer on Dec 9, 2015 15:31:20 GMT
WTF? I would be furious if that had happened to me and my head would explode if it happened to my young daughter. I would likely go after that officer for harassment. Ridiculous. Surely she has some rights in this situation. I would be on the phone to a lawyer today. I would have also called 911 if he never approached my vehicle. That is absurd.
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Post by pierkiss on Dec 9, 2015 15:33:58 GMT
I think someone is about to be in deep shit and it isn't your daughter. I have never heard of a police officer hitting a car to get them to move forward during a traffic stop. Is that a routine thing they do? Why did he sit behind her for so long doing nothing??? This whole thing is really bizarre. Is there damage to your daughters car from the hit? Do you need to contact your car insurance company? How did the other officers find out about this stop and what went on?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 16:08:17 GMT
Why on earth do people think that because a LEO gets angry he is permitted to bump a car, punch someone or shoot them? They don't. End of story. If they can't control their emotions and actions, they need to get out of the business. When you are on the job, do you get to be angry and retaliate against people? I don't. No one does. A client seriously ticked me off the other day. He was being a total jerk. I wanted to throw his file at him, but I didn't. After 15 minutes, that sheriff would have had a good idea of who was in that car and he absolutely had the knowledge that the person was compliant. There was no reason for him to behave the way he did. And, the parking thing is a joke. If he didn't want her pulling over there, then perhaps, he should have signaled her to pull over elsewhere. Hi, I don't think anyone thinks it's ok what he did. He acted inappropriately. The lights, yes I understand, the sirens no, taking 10-15 completely understand. How he handled himself is unacceptable, it's a learning moment for all. Call 911 or non-emergency when you feel unsafe. There is no excuse for unprofessional behavior in this situation. |
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Post by Dalai Mama on Dec 9, 2015 16:15:22 GMT
How scary. I just read this to my DH. He's a retired police officer. He said if Internal affairs is calling, then the officer involved is gonna get his ass in trouble. He said if she was completely stopped he had absolutely no right to hit her with his car. The cop cars are equipped with a PA system he could have easily gotten on that and told her to pull forward to get off the road completely. I can't imagine how scared she must have been. That's what I thought. |
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) and have never had them use the siren at all. And all the times that I have seen officers pulling someone over they did not use the siren either, with the exception of small increments/burst if it seems that the person did not notice them behind them with their lights on. That alone is strange and troubling. 
Something is amiss and you need to be sure you have somebody representing you.
