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Post by penny on Dec 10, 2015 4:33:51 GMT
elaine, I really do have to disagree-- there are a few people on here who have food, ammunition, etc. for any sort of emergency, and have said so. Just because YOU think that means they're not mentally stable doesn't make that true. You can think whatever you want about them, of course-- but they're also free to think what they want and do what they want, as long as it's within the bounds of legality. This. elaine Behaviour you don't agree with or understand the motivation behind doesn't mean it meets the diagnostic criteria for a mental illness... Psychiatric medical diagnoses are especially complicated... All your drawing of conclusions based off some fb rant does nothing but stigmatize and hurt those with a diagnoses mental illness... I have a mental illness and I have a normal amount of soup, I haven't dug into my backyard except to plant a tulip, and I don't own a gun... ETA: elaine I read you later posts asking why you stood out and I read your initial post as you making a factual statement about signs of mental illnesses while other posters didn't sound like they were presenting it as fact... As far as the ranting nature of the post being another sign of mental illness, chances are you've never heard a fire and brimstone preacher... Just as worked up, also using dramatic words, and using fatalist examples to grab listeners attention... (And sometimes just as scary...lol) |
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Post by jenkate77 on Dec 10, 2015 4:43:44 GMT
"If that paragraph is truly representative of how and what the author thinks, there is a decent chance he or she is mentally ill." ^^^ I would have to disagree with this conclusion-- there's plenty of people out there who are perfectly sane (as far as medical records go, that is) who believe all sorts of conspiracy theories about plenty of things. Leaping to the conclusion of 'mental illness' from this is almost as irresponsible as their rant is, in my opinion. M in Carolina , I want to clarify that I 'liked' your post because of what you wrote about being close to the apocalypse before and reading history, NOT what you wrote about your pain meds and illness. (I probably wouldn't last long after an apocalypse either; I'd be like Burgess Meredith in that episode of The Twilight Zone-- he's a bank teller who is alive after the Apocalypse, finally gets ALL the time in the world to read all the books he wants, and his GLASSES BREAK!! That would be me; I'm blind as a bat without my glasses, so I'd be toast if they broke after any apocalyptic happenings.) So, crimsoncat, I'm curious. There are now a number of posters on this thread that shared that they think that the person who wrote the paragraph in the OP is mentally unstable/ill/what-have-you, and have done it in ways less respectful (but more funny and perhaps on target) than me, but you seem to only have a problem with ME, who said that it might indicate mental illness. Why target me and no one else? I'm not crimsoncat, but your comment jabbed at me a little more than everyone else's as well. I feel like you might put most people who have "prepper" tendencies AND weapons in that mentally unstable category. But, I think you're awesome so I didn't say anything. FWIW, we were preppers long before it was a TV thing. We're just Mormons with cans of wheat and a hand cranked wheat grinder! |
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Post by elaine on Dec 10, 2015 4:59:34 GMT
elaine , I really do have to disagree-- there are a few people on here who have food, ammunition, etc. for any sort of emergency, and have said so. Just because YOU think that means they're not mentally stable doesn't make that true. You can think whatever you want about them, of course-- but they're also free to think what they want and do what they want, as long as it's within the bounds of legality. This. elaine Behaviour you don't agree with or understand the motivation behind doesn't mean it meets the diagnostic criteria for a mental illness... Psychiatric medical diagnoses are especially complicated... All your drawing of conclusions based off some fb rant does nothing but stigmatize and hurt those with a diagnoses mental illness... I have a mental illness and I have a normal amount of soup, I haven't dug into my backyard except to plant a tulip, and I don't own a gun... Penny, please read my response further down the thread. I understand very well what goes into a psychiatric diagnosis and am qualified to actually make them given the opportunity to gather enough information. I NEVER said that ALL mental illness results in violent behavior - that is all you reading things I didn't say into my words. Having a mental illness like depression or anxiety is quite different than having a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia. The Colorado movie theater shooter is a good example. The Unabomber is another. Anti-social personality disorder is another diagnosis that CAN lead to violent acting out - Ted Bundy, and other serial killers, for example. While the majority of mental illnesses don't lead to violent acting out, some do. I live with a child with a mental illness who, while he loves me more than anything in this world, also hits me, kicks me, and threatens to kill me when he doesn't get what he wants. He has been in a special center for schooling for two years now, because he was too violent for teachers in his base school to handle him. Just as your mental illness expresses itself in nonviolent ways, his leads to his being violent. It does a disservice to people with mental illness to insist that they are all the same - my boys, BOTH with autism, are very different from each other and the disorder looks very different in each of them. And I am certain they are both very different from you, even if you all fall under that large umbrella of having a mental illness. |
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Post by elaine on Dec 10, 2015 5:05:48 GMT
So, crimsoncat, I'm curious. There are now a number of posters on this thread that shared that they think that the person who wrote the paragraph in the OP is mentally unstable/ill/what-have-you, and have done it in ways less respectful (but more funny and perhaps on target) than me, but you seem to only have a problem with ME, who said that it might indicate mental illness. Why target me and no one else? I'm not crimsoncat, but your comment jabbed at me a little more than everyone else's as well. I feel like you might put most people who have "prepper" tendencies AND weapons in that mentally unstable category. But, I think you're awesome so I didn't say anything. FWIW, we were preppers long before it was a TV thing. We're just Mormons with cans of wheat and a hand cranked wheat grinder! Jen, I'm sorry, it really wasn't a jab at people who prep for emergencies - I said that down thread. But doing that in conjunction with "gathering intelligence " and having "bug out locations "is never what I've heard from the preppers I've met. I know that it is part of Mormonism, so don't view prepping, in itself, as a red flag. I love reading the threads here about rotating through what you have in storage, etc., although it has been a while since I've seen one in the pod.  |
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Dec 10, 2015 5:24:23 GMT
Finally someone crazier than me?  |
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Post by penny on Dec 10, 2015 5:32:30 GMT
This. elaine Behaviour you don't agree with or understand the motivation behind doesn't mean it meets the diagnostic criteria for a mental illness... Psychiatric medical diagnoses are especially complicated... All your drawing of conclusions based off some fb rant does nothing but stigmatize and hurt those with a diagnoses mental illness... I have a mental illness and I have a normal amount of soup, I haven't dug into my backyard except to plant a tulip, and I don't own a gun... Penny, please read my response further down the thread. I understand very well what goes into a psychiatric diagnosis and am qualified to actually make them given the opportunity to gather enough information. I NEVER said that ALL mental illness results in violent behavior - that is all you reading things I didn't say into my words. Having a mental illness like depression or anxiety is quite different than having a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia. The Colorado movie theater shooter is a good example. The Unabomber is another. Anti-social personality disorder is another diagnosis that CAN lead to violent acting out - Ted Bundy, and other serial killers, for example. While the majority of mental illnesses don't lead to violent acting out, some do. I live with a child with a mental illness who, while he loves me more than anything in this world, also hits me, kicks me, and threatens to kill me when he doesn't get what he wants. He has been in a special center for schooling for two years now, because he was too violent for teachers in his base school to handle him. Just as your mental illness expresses itself in nonviolent ways, his leads to his being violent. It does a disservice to people with mental illness to insist that they are all the same - my boys, BOTH with autism, are very different from each other and the disorder looks very different in each of them. And I am certain they are both very different from you, even if you all fall under that large umbrella of having a mental illness. I wasn't aware that you are medically qualified to diagnose patients... That's a critical difference... My own preference is that if someone has medical accreditation and is speaking about a rant/post like this, that they mention their accreditation... I think that it benefits a variety of issues to clearly state that "in your medical opinion you would consider a possible diagnosis of blah blah blah"... Too many unqualified people are willing to diagnose a mental illness when they'd never diagnose someone's cancer, etc... Gives the idea that you don't have to be specially trained to diagnose mental illnesses... I know it's probably impractical and I'm sure some Peas would think you were pulling rank and many other things if you did that... It's been a long few days full of well-meaning but unqualified loved(?lol) ones making speculations about me/my 'problem'... I'm likely focusing very strongly on that part of your posts... I am sorry to hear about your struggles with your son... It must take a lot of mental and emotional strength in those moments, and I hope that gets acknowledged for you... I appreciate you sharing more about your experiences |
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Post by elaine on Dec 10, 2015 5:52:25 GMT
Penny, please read my response further down the thread. I understand very well what goes into a psychiatric diagnosis and am qualified to actually make them given the opportunity to gather enough information. I NEVER said that ALL mental illness results in violent behavior - that is all you reading things I didn't say into my words. Having a mental illness like depression or anxiety is quite different than having a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia. The Colorado movie theater shooter is a good example. The Unabomber is another. Anti-social personality disorder is another diagnosis that CAN lead to violent acting out - Ted Bundy, and other serial killers, for example. While the majority of mental illnesses don't lead to violent acting out, some do. I live with a child with a mental illness who, while he loves me more than anything in this world, also hits me, kicks me, and threatens to kill me when he doesn't get what he wants. He has been in a special center for schooling for two years now, because he was too violent for teachers in his base school to handle him. Just as your mental illness expresses itself in nonviolent ways, his leads to his being violent. It does a disservice to people with mental illness to insist that they are all the same - my boys, BOTH with autism, are very different from each other and the disorder looks very different in each of them. And I am certain they are both very different from you, even if you all fall under that large umbrella of having a mental illness. I wasn't aware that you are medically qualified to diagnose patients... That's a critical difference... My own preference is that if someone has medical accreditation and is speaking about a rant/post like this, that they mention their accreditation... I think that it benefits a variety of issues to clearly state that "in your medical opinion you would consider a possible diagnosis of blah blah blah"... Too many unqualified people are willing to diagnose a mental illness when they'd never diagnose someone's cancer, etc... Gives the idea that you don't have to be specially trained to diagnose mental illnesses... I know it's probably impractical and I'm sure some Peas would think you were pulling rank and many other things if you did that... It's been a long few days full of well-meaning but unqualified loved(?lol) ones making speculations about me/my 'problem'... I'm likely focusing very strongly on that part of your posts... I am sorry to hear about your struggles with your son... It must take a lot of mental and emotional strength in those moments, and I hope that gets acknowledged for you... I appreciate you sharing more about your experiences I'm sorry your life has been rough around your challenges - sometimes well-meaning people make it harder, unintentionally. Back in the old days of 2peas, there were two different people who made it clear that they didn't want to hear about my professional training, but that was a long time ago and you asked. I am a psychologist, with my PhD in Counseling Psych. I have worked on a VA inpatient ward, and in several university counseling centers, in addition to having had a small private practice at one time. I've spent more time teaching, at both the college and graduate school level, than practicing, but have had to stay current to be able to teach. My husband is also a psychologist, although a research psychologist - not an applied degree / no internship, so we talk about psychology at home quite a bit. In other words, our kids, having two psychologists for parents, are doomed.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 6:01:02 GMT
I think logically you can extrapolate that she is saying that about the person who wrote it. It reads like you wrote it.. only at the end do you indicate it was from FB. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think the FB disclaimer was there when she first posted. There are no edits to her post, so it's always been there. |
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Post by anniebygaslight on Dec 10, 2015 7:10:23 GMT
LOL. I didn't write it, and didn't say I agreed with it. Now you're just making shit up. Rock on with your bad self, lol. Then why do you post this nonsense? Because things have been quietish around here for a while and she wanted to stir things up and sit back and watch things get heated. |
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Post by Rainbow on Dec 10, 2015 9:48:07 GMT
Then why do you post this nonsense? Because things have been quietish around here for a while and she wanted to stir things up and sit back and watch things get heated.  |
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Post by gar on Dec 10, 2015 10:34:47 GMT
Because things have been quietish around here for a while and she wanted to stir things up and sit back and watch things get heated. I think this one was a fairly safe bet  |
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Post by grinningcat on Dec 10, 2015 12:15:24 GMT
So, crimsoncat, I'm curious. There are now a number of posters on this thread that shared that they think that the person who wrote the paragraph in the OP is mentally unstable/ill/what-have-you, and have done it in ways less respectful (but more funny and perhaps on target) than me, but you seem to only have a problem with ME, who said that it might indicate mental illness. Why target me and no one else? ------------------------------------------------- elaine , I wasn't trying to 'target' you in any specific way... but now that you've asked me, and got me to think about it, I think it's because everyone else seems to be saying 'crazy' or 'nutter' in a way that's sort of off-hand, in a joking, more non-serious manner, but the way you wrote your post, you seem to seriously think the person is actually mentally ill. And to me, just reading something written is in no way enough to make that determination. ETA: perhaps I totally mis-read everyone else's posts, but the more funny way other people have responded makes me think they don't REALLY think the person is ACTUALLY mentally ill; more like the 'too much Doomsday Preppers' type person than actually mentally ill. I do think that the person may be mentally ill - for the reasons I've stated before. And please, for the love of G-d, stop saying I've made a determination/diagnosis. I have been very clear about saying "may" and " has a decent chance." NOWHERE have I ever made a definitive diagnosis. Period. You keep saying I have, regardless of what I say. If I was the author's psychologist, there are many red flags flying that I would follow up on. What he or she shared is not normal behavior. And gives me many clues as to places I would go to gather more information needed to make an official diagnosis. But, as I mentioned before, someone like him would never end up in my office, let alone share that rant with a doctor. Finally, things like tin-foil-hats refer specifically to mental illness, not doomsday preppers - a number of people with schizophrenia actually do make tin foil hats to prevent the government from sending messages to their brains through radio or t.v. waves. Trust me, I've seen it first hand. Others on this thread, while saying it in a light-hearted way, also think the author may be mentally ill. It isn't just me. But now I know it will be less offensive to you if I treat potential mental illness as a joke than how a psychologist would. I don't think I'm going to change though, so will resign myself to potential call-outs by you. I'm with elaine. Something is NOT right with the OP or whoever she quoted in the OP. I don't see why elaine was scapegoated for her observations, which many others have had. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 10, 2015 12:18:02 GMT
"If that paragraph is truly representative of how and what the author thinks, there is a decent chance he or she is mentally ill." ^^^ I would have to disagree with this conclusion-- there's plenty of people out there who are perfectly sane (as far as medical records go, that is) who believe all sorts of conspiracy theories about plenty of things. Leaping to the conclusion of 'mental illness' from this is almost as irresponsible as their rant is, in my opinion. M in Carolina , I want to clarify that I 'liked' your post because of what you wrote about being close to the apocalypse before and reading history, NOT what you wrote about your pain meds and illness. (I probably wouldn't last long after an apocalypse either; I'd be like Burgess Meredith in that episode of The Twilight Zone-- he's a bank teller who is alive after the Apocalypse, finally gets ALL the time in the world to read all the books he wants, and his GLASSES BREAK!! That would be me; I'm blind as a bat without my glasses, so I'd be toast if they broke after any apocalyptic happenings.) I disagree. If the author believes all of that and has done all that he or she claims to have done "in preparation," there is a decent CHANCE that there is some mental illness. (Note, I said chance). The following isn't normal behavior: Simply because it isn't in his or her current medical record means nothing. Most people with paranoid delusions don't tell their white-coated doctors about them. We see it all the time in the news--mental illness claims on mass shooters/killers, you know because it's not about gun control or needing better restrictions on people registering for guns...because GOD FORBID someone take away someone else's rights! |
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Post by anniebygaslight on Dec 10, 2015 14:55:11 GMT
Actually, around here you never know how a thread will end up! I think this one was a fairly safe bet It certainly was. |
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Post by femalebusiness on Dec 10, 2015 15:52:40 GMT
Because things have been quietish around here for a while and she wanted to stir things up and sit back and watch things get heated. You are wrong. How threads end up around here is very predictable. So are you. Like I said same shit, different day. |
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Post by Rainbow on Dec 10, 2015 16:06:46 GMT
Actually, around here you never know how a thread will end up! You are wrong. How threads end up around here is very predictable. So are you. Like I said same shit, different day.  |
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Post by penny on Dec 10, 2015 16:09:59 GMT
elaine I'm sorry that skills and a career you have worked so hard to achieve was dismissed by people at 2Ps... I'm forever grateful for the help I've received from people who have chosen to study and work in that profession and think that their value is too often undermined by armchair psychologists, so I have a soft protective spot for you now...lol I apologize for speaking so defensively about your comments... You are more educated and skilled than I am... I trust when you say that there are signs in the writer's actions that would lead to further questions about his mental health... And your kids sound very lucky to have you both
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