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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 17:52:15 GMT
Yes, the FRENCH teenagers was fleur.
But Beadhound used the same excuse-teenagers-just not French, so when that is done, it's referred to as the French Teenager defense or excuse or whatever.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 30, 2014 21:11:20 GMT
I haven't re-read the thread, but yes, as I recall, it's as the others said. She claimed a teenaged friend of her DD's got on the computer and posted offensive stuff without her knowledge. Since it was reminiscent of the older French teenager incident, it turned into a joking reference.
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Post by mzza111 on Jul 30, 2014 21:38:34 GMT
Thanks for clarifying. Do we have the real French teenager thread saved? I don't recall that thread.
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Post by dawndoll on Jul 30, 2014 21:54:42 GMT
Yeah, I'd like to read the original French Teenager thread.
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Post by admin on Jul 30, 2014 22:23:14 GMT
Thank you!!!! I'm not a drama llama, but controversy can be a great learning tool and really open our eyes to other opinions or even things we might be doing and not realize. I go to a non-scrapbooking message board that locks it's threads at the slightest suggestion of a controversy and it's so frustrating. It's like no one has a real voice, all we can talk about is fluff I wanted to come back and say a little more about this issue, as the bolded part is absolutely not what I want to happen here at all. Personally, I'm not afraid of drama. I've saved quite a few threads from the old site for myself, including several that were pretty controversial and ugly at times, because I learned a great deal from both my own part in them and the words of others. Robust discussion, straight talking, and being open to hearing some pretty tough words, are an enormous part of the value of the old board IMO, and hopefully this one. So I don't want this to be anodyne fluff site. A board like that would hold no interest for me as a Pea. But I'm also conscious that there are a significant number of our current members that have felt able to find their voice here precisely because the perceived unpleasantness and drama from before largely hasn't happened here yet, and those members might well favor more active moderation. I don't want anyone to be unhappy or feel they need to leave because of the nature of the board and/or how it's run, but I'm a realist and I know I'll never be able to make everyone happy all of the time, so I have to try find the best balance I can. I'm fallible, and I won't always get it right. I know that if I get it significantly wrong you all will let me know, but also hope that you'll grant me a little grace for minor missteps. I can promise that whatever your opinion of the decisions I make, they will be made with the intention of doing the best thing for the community as a whole. As far as moderation goes, there are really two options from where I sit. One is no moderation at all. That's easy for me - I log out as admin and don't log back in. But if you accept that there is a need for any moderation at all, then as much as we could discuss and vote on every single thing, in the end it will always come down to me having to make a judgment. That includes judging whether an issue is something I think I know how the Peas would collectively feel so I can act with confidence, whether it's something that does need to be discussed and voted on, which opinions I take into account following a discussion, or even whether it's something that 'majority rules' wouldn't necessarily be the best option. I can't define precisely what for me would cross into 'needing moderation' territory, as it's very much I'll know it when I see it and if I'm unsure I'll ask. At the moment my ability to exercise that judgment rests largely on my years as a Pea, but it's something that will hopefully grow as our community grows. I have already learned a lesson here - it never crossed my mind that what I meant as a polite request could be perceived as censorship. Now I'm aware that it could be seen that way, so I'll have that in mind in future. I can tell you that it's difficult to set aside my own feelings so that I can be as unbiased as possible. There have already been a couple of threads where I've wanted to step in and say 'enough already, quit that' but I know that's just my personal opinion and not actually something where it would be appropriate for me to stick my oar in. I'm sure it will get easier with practice! I'll try explain better where I was coming from with the beadhound thread. I realize that not all the threads preserved in the History board are fun. What I do think is that, whether good or bad, they are all threads which somehow brought us together as a community, that we bonded over, whether it was a crazy hairflip, a tragic loss, an angry outrage, a story we laugh at year after year. They are some of the things that helped unite us, or demonstrate our unity. I felt like the bead thread is the exact opposite of that, as it was not just negative but divisive, which isn't a feeling I want to perpetuate here. One thing I particularly hope for this board is that we collectively get better at remembering that none of us are one-dimensional, and that we shouldn't define or pigeonhole each other based on a few posts. That brings us back to divisiveness, and if we go too far down that road, we won't survive. So I guess I had more than 'a little more' to say!!
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Post by 61redhead on Jul 31, 2014 3:02:17 GMT
OK - the decorative towel thread is posted, but I am still in the process of editing it for readability. It's a long one, so give me a few days to get it finished up. You can read it now, but a lot of it still has major formating issues.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 31, 2014 6:10:46 GMT
OK - the decorative towel thread is posted, but I am still in the process of editing it for readability. It's a long one, so give me a few days to get it finished up. You can read it now, but a lot of it still has major formating issues. oh, THANKS, Red!
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jul 31, 2014 6:44:01 GMT
I can promise that whatever your opinion of the decisions I make, they will be made with the intention of doing the best thing for the community as a whole. That's all we can ask for. You've obviously put a lot of thought into this and I admire your ability to explain it so cogently. For your own sake (read: sanity), I'm glad you're approaching this with the knowledge that you will never please everyone.
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Post by admin on Jul 31, 2014 16:37:00 GMT
BTT
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Post by mzza111 on Jul 31, 2014 16:58:56 GMT
I wanted to come back and say a little more about this issue, as the bolded part is absolutely not what I want to happen here at all. Personally, I'm not afraid of drama. I've saved quite a few threads from the old site for myself, including several that were pretty controversial and ugly at times, because I learned a great deal from both my own part in them and the words of others. Robust discussion, straight talking, and being open to hearing some pretty tough words, are an enormous part of the value of the old board IMO, and hopefully this one. So I don't want this to be anodyne fluff site. A board like that would hold no interest for me as a Pea. But I'm also conscious that there are a significant number of our current members that have felt able to find their voice here precisely because the perceived unpleasantness and drama from before largely hasn't happened here yet, and those members might well favor more active moderation. I don't want anyone to be unhappy or feel they need to leave because of the nature of the board and/or how it's run, but I'm a realist and I know I'll never be able to make everyone happy all of the time, so I have to try find the best balance I can. I'm fallible, and I won't always get it right. I know that if I get it significantly wrong you all will let me know, but also hope that you'll grant me a little grace for minor missteps. I can promise that whatever your opinion of the decisions I make, they will be made with the intention of doing the best thing for the community as a whole. As far as moderation goes, there are really two options from where I sit. One is no moderation at all. That's easy for me - I log out as admin and don't log back in. But if you accept that there is a need for any moderation at all, then as much as we could discuss and vote on every single thing, in the end it will always come down to me having to make a judgment. That includes judging whether an issue is something I think I know how the Peas would collectively feel so I can act with confidence, whether it's something that does need to be discussed and voted on, which opinions I take into account following a discussion, or even whether it's something that 'majority rules' wouldn't necessarily be the best option. I can't define precisely what for me would cross into 'needing moderation' territory, as it's very much I'll know it when I see it and if I'm unsure I'll ask. At the moment my ability to exercise that judgment rests largely on my years as a Pea, but it's something that will hopefully grow as our community grows. I have already learned a lesson here - it never crossed my mind that what I meant as a polite request could be perceived as censorship. Now I'm aware that it could be seen that way, so I'll have that in mind in future. I can tell you that it's difficult to set aside my own feelings so that I can be as unbiased as possible. There have already been a couple of threads where I've wanted to step in and say 'enough already, quit that' but I know that's just my personal opinion and not actually something where it would be appropriate for me to stick my oar in. I'm sure it will get easier with practice! I'll try explain better where I was coming from with the beadhound thread. I realize that not all the threads preserved in the History board are fun. What I do think is that, whether good or bad, they are all threads which somehow brought us together as a community, that we bonded over, whether it was a crazy hairflip, a tragic loss, an angry outrage, a story we laugh at year after year. They are some of the things that helped unite us, or demonstrate our unity. I felt like the bead thread is the exact opposite of that, as it was not just negative but divisive, which isn't a feeling I want to perpetuate here. One thing I particularly hope for this board is that we collectively get better at remembering that none of us are one-dimensional, and that we shouldn't define or pigeonhole each other based on a few posts. That brings us back to divisiveness, and if we go too far down that road, we won't survive. So I guess I had more than 'a little more' to say!! Hey admin , you took on a role that I would never in a million trillion years want but am so greatful that you did! You couldn't pay me $9.95 a month for that job! HAHA! I don't believe there should be absolutely no moderation at all. Death threats, posting personal information like a work or home address/phone number, etc., are unacceptable and I believe everyone would agree that these kinds of posts should be deleted ASAP. But, in my opinion, the bitchiness, name calling or even insults directed a pea don't really need moderation. Everyone knows the NSBR is where we need to put on our big girl panties if we want to play. That is what the block feature should be used for. This shouldn't stop the lurkers either. Grab your panties and join the party! Yes, this is a fresh start but there is 14 years of history that make this group what it is, good & bad. I just think some of us were surprised at your request not to post the Beadhound thread.
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