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Post by wholarmor on Mar 3, 2016 8:29:38 GMT
I just found out that "Trump" means "fart" in some British areas. Maybe Trump would rather be known as "Mr. Fart."  |
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Mar 3, 2016 8:41:47 GMT
Forgive me - I'm sick & I barely understand how your primaries work at the best of times. How could that happen? Trump looks like he's going to get the required number of delegates, given how many Super Tuesday states he won. So how can he be stopped? No, Carson can't win, and it's the honorable thing to do to drop out. I like him, I like that he ran, I would like him even more if he did the right thing. cycworker There are 1777 delegates left. A Republican candidate needs 1237 to get the nomination. Currently, Trump has 319, Cruz has 226, Rubio has 110, Kasich has 25, Carson has 8. There are a few others that went to those who have dropped out. A more worrisome problem to me is if Trump doesn't get the nomination (yay!) but then reneges on his promise not to run third party. This is the thing Trump has made a very good living doing. Those who say he is a dealmaker are right. His deals always incorporate lots of caveats which ensure he can wriggle out of unfavourable or unintended consequences. The other parties have to take most of the losses. |
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Post by DinCA on Mar 3, 2016 8:47:29 GMT
I will vote for the Republican nominee because I will not vote for Hilary Clinton. Abstaining is not an option. By abstaining, I feel like I would essentially be casting a vote for Hillary and that is just not going to happen.
ETA: The person, in my opinion, who is most likely to run as a third-party candidate is Bernie Sanders. He has boat loads of money and has felt disenfranchised by the Democrats for awhile now. It wouldn't surprise me at all. Trump might do it, too, although I doubt he would want to personally fund his presidential bid. What he is funding now is his bid for the Republican candidacy but a run past the primaries would be more than he would want to spend, I think.
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 3, 2016 9:52:34 GMT
I will vote for the Republican nominee because I will not vote for Hilary Clinton. Abstaining is not an option. By abstaining, I feel like I would essentially be casting a vote for Hillary and that is just not going to happen. ETA: The person, in my opinion, who is most likely to run as a third-party candidate is Bernie Sanders. He has boat loads of money and has felt disenfranchised by the Democrats for awhile now. It wouldn't surprise me at all. Trump might do it, too, although I doubt he would want to personally fund his presidential bid. What he is funding now is his bid for the Republican candidacy but a run past the primaries would be more than he would want to spend, I think. Bernie could run third party. He'd take votes from Hillary and the Republican would win by an even greater margin. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 3, 2016 10:22:30 GMT
If he's that concerned about heritage, he could change it back. He didn't need to go after Stewart for changing his last name. People change their last names all the time- especially women. We don't tell them that they should keep it and be proud of their heritage. Whatever. I don't see what the big deal is. I'm not afraid of saying Trump's name, and if he is going to mock someone else for their name, he is fair game. He's not president yet(hope to God that he will never be), and I'm not going to hold him in presidential regard before he is in that spot. I can't say that I would ever respect him as president, either. You've missed the whole thing. Stewart changed his name? Who cares? Trump's comments were once again bad. Trump's great ancestors changed their surname as did millions of others who came to America? That's mildly interesting. That name has far more to do with the people who had the name and the history of where they came from than it does about Donald. Using that surname as an insult to Trump is the same as taking a valuable brick from one person, throwing it at Trump and having it fall short. Donald is untouched while something important was damaged in the act. Unless we're degenerating to the point where making fun of ethnic family surnames is socially acceptable, in which case Trump should be your guy to support. |
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Post by claire on Mar 3, 2016 10:59:25 GMT
This is a bit of thread-hijack: I want to thank all who contributed to this thread and to other 'political' threads. I don't read all of those threads and yet, I have learned so much from them about American politics and American society.
I have started watching 'House of Cards' with my husband last week and I seem to know a lot more of American politics than he does. I realised that is because of the peas! :-)
Thank you!
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 3, 2016 11:36:56 GMT
If Sanders is not the nominee, I would be surprised if he ran as a third party candidate. The Nader effect is still fresh.
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Post by tlsmi on Mar 3, 2016 14:58:54 GMT
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Mar 3, 2016 15:16:58 GMT
I would love to see Trump choose Condoleezza Rice or another non-white person as his running mate just to see the conundrum it presents his racist supporters. (Please note, I'm not calling everybody who supports Trump racists, but he has certainly attracted those type of people).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 15:21:17 GMT
But I really don't think people are using it as an insult. Donald Trump may have had nothing to do with the changing of his surname generations ago. But my guess is that he is aware that it was done and that the name is a part of his heritage. But he goes ahead and slams Jon Stewart and claims he is ashamed of his Jewish heritage for changing his surname.
It's just another example of Trump being a blowhard. I guess in my head, it's just as easy to picture the word "blowhard" in place of the word Drumpf. It's less of an insult and more of a character trait.
I don't know how to say it better but I wish I did.
I do kind of get what you're saying, LTO, I just think the use of the term is being read in to too much.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 3, 2016 16:47:32 GMT
But I really don't think people are using it as an insult. Donald Trump may have had nothing to do with the changing of his surname generations ago. But my guess is that he is aware that it was done and that the name is a part of his heritage. But he goes ahead and slams Jon Stewart and claims he is ashamed of his Jewish heritage for changing his surname. It's just another example of Trump being a blowhard. I guess in my head, it's just as easy to picture the word "blowhard" in place of the word Drumpf. It's less of an insult and more of a character trait. I don't know how to say it better but I wish I did. I do kind of get what you're saying, LTO, I just think the use of the term is being read in to too much. Why in the world would you assume he knows that his ancestors changed his name 400 years ago? Well I guess it's possible that he read the biography on him that said it which is how Jon Oliver found out, but barring that I seriously doubt it. The vast majority of people have no clue what their 13x removed ancestor did - and we have absolutely no way of knowing if this was an actual conscious decision or a mistake in a tax log 400 years ago that carried through. Anyone who spends any time doing genealogy realizes the fluidity of names - and most are mistaken or simplification of spellings of phonetic words and not enough people were literate to realize they'd mangled their last name. I just find this whole line of "insult" ridiculous. And I can't disagree with leftturnonly that if the ethnic name being laughed at was a different ethnicity people would find it a whole lot less funny. |
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Post by genny on Mar 3, 2016 17:39:25 GMT
I will vote third party. I'm not voting for Trump or Hillary.  |
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Post by jbelle on Mar 3, 2016 18:36:24 GMT
The Republican party is a joke and I have no love for the Democratic party. Both Trump and Sanders should run independently against whomever the established parties hand pick to be their nominee.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Mar 3, 2016 18:37:52 GMT
Actually, Drumpf is his family's real name before they changed it to Trump. There's info about it here: DrumpfYes, I had to google to find out where the joke came from (since I don't watch political comedy, talking heads of any political persuasion) and do see that his family has changed their surname...like MILLIONS of others emigrating to the United States. And regardless of the surname his ancestors had, if Trump's birth certificate states Trump, or any legal name change since his birth certificate lists Trump as his surname, that's his surname. Trump is an asshole, no doubt. But this "joke" perpetuated by the media on the left just makes the left look bitter and desperate and no less childish and assholian as Donald Trump looks. Congratulations, I guess Trump has no boundaries and relentlessly mocks people because of their gender, race, disability, profession, and name. (That's the short list) Trump very publically mocked someone for changing his name declaring he should be proud of his heritage so a popular comedian held a looking glass up to Trump. That is why the joke is funny. |
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Mar 3, 2016 18:42:34 GMT
I will vote for the Republican nominee because I will not vote for Hilary Clinton. Abstaining is not an option. By abstaining, I feel like I would essentially be casting a vote for Hillary and that is just not going to happen. ETA: The person, in my opinion, who is most likely to run as a third-party candidate is Bernie Sanders. He has boat loads of money and has felt disenfranchised by the Democrats for awhile now. It wouldn't surprise me at all. Trump might do it, too, although I doubt he would want to personally fund his presidential bid. What he is funding now is his bid for the Republican candidacy but a run past the primaries would be more than he would want to spend, I think. He is not funding his own campaign. He keeps telling everyone that but it isn't true. He has 'loaned' his campaign money. He hasn't donated a single dime to his own campaign. Loans get paid back, donations don't. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 3, 2016 19:11:19 GMT
But I really don't think people are using it as an insult. Donald Trump may have had nothing to do with the changing of his surname generations ago. But my guess is that he is aware that it was done and that the name is a part of his heritage. But he goes ahead and slams Jon Stewart and claims he is ashamed of his Jewish heritage for changing his surname. It's just another example of Trump being a blowhard. I guess in my head, it's just as easy to picture the word "blowhard" in place of the word Drumpf. It's less of an insult and more of a character trait. I don't know how to say it better but I wish I did. I do kind of get what you're saying, LTO, I just think the use of the term is being read in to too much. It's a fine line. Not everyone means it as an insult. They're using it to throw back the ridiculous things Trump says. But look what's happened even within your post. Drumpf was equivocated with blowhard. That's a fine thing for the Drumpfs of the world, isn't it? Little Susy Blowhard Drumpf walks into school this week to hear this. As if her family has anything to do with what Trump says or does. In the meantime you give Donald Trump material to use. "The establishment is so afraid of me winning, they'll do anything to try to stop me. I'm very proud of my ancestor Something Drumpf. He brought my family to freedom. He took these risks.... it was a beautiful thing. It's a powerful name. It's not the name on my birth certificate - which I'm not ashamed to show, unlike that disaster Obama. Hasn't his presidency been a complete disaster? It's been the worst in history. On my first day in office....." |
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 3, 2016 19:32:17 GMT
Yes, I had to google to find out where the joke came from (since I don't watch political comedy, talking heads of any political persuasion) and do see that his family has changed their surname...like MILLIONS of others emigrating to the United States. And regardless of the surname his ancestors had, if Trump's birth certificate states Trump, or any legal name change since his birth certificate lists Trump as his surname, that's his surname. Trump is an asshole, no doubt. But this "joke" perpetuated by the media on the left just makes the left look bitter and desperate and no less childish and assholian as Donald Trump looks. Congratulations, I guess Trump has no boundaries and relentlessly mocks people because of their gender, race, disability, profession, and name. (That's the short list) Trump very publically mocked someone for changing his name declaring he should be proud of his heritage so a popular comedian held a looking glass up to Trump. That is why the joke is funny. If the name was a generic Smith or Jones, it would be funny. It's not. It's a very unusual name. If you've no experience with really unusual names in your family, you might not feel the same way. But if you come from a family with many more unique names, you become much more aware, much more sensitive to the use of the name. Google Smith. Google Jones. Is your family gonna show up at the top of the search? The man gilds the name Trump everywhere. It's fair game. The name Drumpf isn't. |
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Post by woodysbetty on Mar 3, 2016 19:55:37 GMT
I'm hoping for a 3rd party candidate....Clinton and Trump have too much baggage for me....
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Post by flute4peace on Mar 3, 2016 20:20:21 GMT
This is all making my head spin. Earlier this afternoon I started a thread asking for people to tell me what their political parties/candidates stood for, to explain their platforms, and for it to be kept positive and informative. I've truly not been involved in national politics before, and am curious and want to know more about it.
Nobody responded.
Now before anyone thinks I'm getting panty-wadded because there weren't any responses to my thread, that's not the point. At all. I couldn't care less about it being MY thread or Jack Frost's thread or the Pillsbury Dough Boy's thread that isn't responded to.
What blows my mind, however, is that there are multiple threads with multiple pages of negativity; this particular one has 2+ pages of folks who are otherwise cohesive and peers, completely bashing each other over what some guy said about someone's name (or not name). And many more about how much they despise this candidate or that one or this party or that party. I have yet to see anyone say why they like their own party. It's just hate this and hate that and on and on.
I don't get it.
ETA: While I was typing this, one person did respond with some helpful information. I appreciate it and would love to hear more! |
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Post by cadoodlebug on Mar 3, 2016 20:47:30 GMT
This is all making my head spin. Earlier this afternoon I started a thread asking for people to tell me what their political parties/candidates stood for, to explain their platforms, and for it to be kept positive and informative. I've truly not been involved in national politics before, and am curious and want to know more about it.
Nobody responded.
Now before anyone thinks I'm getting panty-wadded because there weren't any responses to my thread, that's not the point. At all. I couldn't care less about it being MY thread or Jack Frost's thread or the Pillsbury Dough Boy's thread that isn't responded to.
What blows my mind, however, is that there are multiple threads with multiple pages of negativity; this particular one has 2+ pages of folks who are otherwise cohesive and peers, completely bashing each other over what some guy said about someone's name (or not name). And many more about how much they despise this candidate or that one or this party or that party. I have yet to see anyone say why they like their own party. It's just hate this and hate that and on and on.
I don't get it.
ETA: While I was typing this, one person did respond with some helpful information. I appreciate it and would love to hear more! I don't know how others are feeling but quite frankly I'm exhausted and probably won't post much, if at all, to any political threads. |
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Post by dillydally on Mar 3, 2016 20:49:07 GMT
I'm going to answer first and then go back and read the replies...
My Republican dh, who hates Hilary Clinton, will vote for Hilary Clinton. My dh loves politics/world affairs (in college, his electives were things like Arab/Israeli conflict), so I trust his judgment more than mine when it comes to politicians. The fact that he would vote for Clinton just cements how awful Trump is.
I don't side with parties. I guess that to generalize, I side with Republicans fiscally; Democrats socially. I have no interest in my taxes going up. However, I would vote for Clinton. There is just no way I could vote for Trump. I get the whole "he says what people want to hear", but I can't see any substance that would actually turn into action, and someone who thinks that it is my way or the highway and expresses any disagreement in such in a disrespectful way doesn't have the demeanor necessary to be the President.
What a complete mess.
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Post by Tamhugh on Mar 3, 2016 20:58:55 GMT
For those of you bothered by the Drumpf thing, did you watch the whole John Oliver episode? He was talking about all of the reasons why people say they support him and showing why so many of them aren't great reasons. One of the reasons he brought up was that Trump is a name that sounds powerful and successful. John Oliver pointed out that it is not even the original family name, which Trump mocked someone else for, and that if he were using his original name, it would have a totally different tone. Silly? Sure. I wouldn't start calling him that. But I don't think it's bullying or demeaning either.
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Post by dillydally on Mar 3, 2016 21:07:00 GMT
How is calling him "Drumpf" making fun of his heritage? It's just playing with his irony that he tells someone that they shouldn't be ashamed of their heritage, when his ancestors did the same. It is pure irony. I have plenty of friends that call Pres. Obama different names that aren't at all respectful. He is called names here on the board, and I don't see the "Leave Trump alone" people calling out those who are less than respectful to our current president. If you called a certain Pea out on her insistence to call our president B.O. all the time, then maybe I'm wrong and missed it. I don't think it is pure irony at all, even by Alannis Morisette standards. I think Trump is a blowhard and a jerk, but he isn't responsible for his ancestors actions. If it were Jon Stewart's ancestors who changed their last name and not Jon Stewart, then yes it would be idiotic of Trump to criticise that. Or if Trump was the one who changed his last name, then yes, it would be idiotic as well. But what his ancestors several generations ago did has no bearing on him. As others have said there's many legitimate complaints to make about Trump, but this name thing is just silly. ***I can't figure out how to get my comment outside of the quote, but this made me LOL. That song drives me batty.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 21:11:28 GMT
Well I'm independent, so not your target group, but I truly hope Bloomberg will run on an Independent ticket. I think Trump is dangerous. Mitt Romney is right.
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Post by dillydally on Mar 3, 2016 21:24:24 GMT
Well I'm independent, so not your target group, but I truly hope Bloomberg will run on an Independent ticket. I think Trump is dangerous. Mitt Romney is right. I did one of those "which politicians do you most agree with" questionnaires and it was Bloomberg. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 3, 2016 21:32:52 GMT
For those of you bothered by the Drumpf thing, did you watch the whole John Oliver episode? He was talking about all of the reasons why people say they support him and showing why so many of them aren't great reasons. One of the reasons he brought up was that Trump is a name that sounds powerful and successful. John Oliver pointed out that it is not even the original family name, which Trump mocked someone else for, and that if he were using his original name, it would have a totally different tone. Silly? Sure. I wouldn't start calling him that. But I don't think it's bullying or demeaning either. I watched the bit and found it funny. I often find comedy amusing - even if it's offensive. I find people turning around and using Drumpf as in insult (and people are absolutely doing that) wrong. I ranted last night about my frustration with people using a comedy bit as evidence of him lying or being a hypocrite as it's just plain factually incorrect - but was ignoring those who wanted to call him Drumpf. In further reflection, using an ethnic name as insult is just straight up wrong. I guarantee you if someone made a humorous bit about certain other candidates flaws and included their ethnic name as a joke people may laugh at the bit, but I sure as hell don't think they would be continuing the "joke" by just referring to the candidate that way and we're all supposed to find it humorous - or at least I hope not. And the ones who did would be called some pretty pointed things on this board. |
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Post by Tamhugh on Mar 3, 2016 21:41:26 GMT
For those of you bothered by the Drumpf thing, did you watch the whole John Oliver episode? He was talking about all of the reasons why people say they support him and showing why so many of them aren't great reasons. One of the reasons he brought up was that Trump is a name that sounds powerful and successful. John Oliver pointed out that it is not even the original family name, which Trump mocked someone else for, and that if he were using his original name, it would have a totally different tone. Silly? Sure. I wouldn't start calling him that. But I don't think it's bullying or demeaning either. I watched the bit and found it funny. I often find comedy amusing - even if it's offensive. I find people turning around and using Drumpf as in insult (and people are absolutely doing that) wrong. I ranted last night about my frustration with people using a comedy bit as evidence of him lying or being a hypocrite as it's just plain factually incorrect - but was ignoring those who wanted to call him Drumpf. In further reflection, using an ethnic name as insult is just straight up wrong. I guarantee you if someone made a humorous bit about certain other candidates flaws and included their ethnic name as a joke people may laugh at the bit, but I sure as hell don't think they would be continuing the "joke" by just referring to the candidate that way and we're all supposed to find it humorous - or at least I hope not. And the ones who did would be called some pretty pointed things on this board. And I am clearly having a total disconnect because I am missing the ethnic mockery behind the name. I only took it as Trump, meaning winner, as in Trump card, or "trumping" something. I saw it as "a Trump by any other name would not be as successful".... |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 3, 2016 21:45:11 GMT
You don't think Drumpf is an ethinic name?
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 3, 2016 21:51:27 GMT
Not sure what I will do it will be so hard to vote for him because I think he will be bad for America but don't think I could vote for Hillary either and feel that not voting is helping Hillary as well. It truely is a no win situation. I wish there was another option I don't think a third party would help but just push Hillary into office.
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Post by Tamhugh on Mar 3, 2016 21:53:02 GMT
You don't think Drumpf is an ethinic name? No, I didn't think it was being mocked because of its ethnicity. As I said, I took the joke totally differently than others apparently did. Having grown up with an equally German sounding name, I have never been insulted when people revert to the original spelling or pronunciation of it. |
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