raindancer
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Post by raindancer on Mar 28, 2016 0:48:24 GMT
Grave robbers took the body and then people either had mass delusions about seeing his ghost or simply made shit up. Have a great Sunday non-Christians, atheists and agnostics! re: being offended by this post.... The thing is, this *is* what non-believers think about those events. They don't believe Jesus was the son of God, and they don't believe in resurrection. They do think that people had delusions about seeing a ghost. And maybe people did "make shit up". My personal belief is that Jesus Christ was resurrected on the third day which we now call Easter, and it doesn't matter to me what anyone else thinks. On the other hand I would ask why OP felt the need to post this on Easter, the holiest Christian day. Since it's just an ordinary Sunday to anyone who isn't Christian then why bother to post "have a great Sunday"? You realize it is like Christmas right? A cultural holiday for many. Unless you are claiming egg hunts and giant rabbits at the mall is part of you worship.
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Post by monklady123 on Mar 28, 2016 0:52:24 GMT
re: being offended by this post.... The thing is, this *is* what non-believers think about those events. They don't believe Jesus was the son of God, and they don't believe in resurrection. They do think that people had delusions about seeing a ghost. And maybe people did "make shit up". My personal belief is that Jesus Christ was resurrected on the third day which we now call Easter, and it doesn't matter to me what anyone else thinks. On the other hand I would ask why OP felt the need to post this on Easter, the holiest Christian day. Since it's just an ordinary Sunday to anyone who isn't Christian then why bother to post "have a great Sunday"? You realize it is like Christmas right? A cultural holiday for many. Unless you are claiming egg hunts and giant rabbits at the mall is part of you worship. Yes of course. But that has nothing to do with the OP's original post.
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Post by raindancer on Mar 28, 2016 1:23:32 GMT
You realize it is like Christmas right? A cultural holiday for many. Unless you are claiming egg hunts and giant rabbits at the mall is part of you worship. Yes of course. But that has nothing to do with the OP's original post. I was responding to your reply.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Mar 28, 2016 2:00:45 GMT
On the other hand I would ask why OP felt the need to post this on Easter, the holiest Christian day. Since it's just an ordinary Sunday to anyone who isn't Christian then why bother to post "have a great Sunday"? [ The "He is Risen" thread OP said "Happy Easter to all who celebrate more than just the bunny visit." I thought that was mean so I started a thread for everyone who celebrates just the bunny visit (well the time off work too). I'm sorry that you don't like it when people are being nice.
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Post by SabrinaM on Mar 28, 2016 2:29:58 GMT
I'd eally like to know what made you so bitter and angry and hateful. I have many agnostic and even atheist friends but never would they stoop this low. If prayers aren't your thing, maybe therapy should be considered. I'm not being sarcastic or snide. I truly worry about your well being at times. Your behavior is so off kilter at times. I'm praying for you anyway. Remember when she was dating her exh and asked for advice as if we were her friends? Now she's just a bitter, cat-loving heifer.
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Post by jamieson on Mar 28, 2016 2:34:07 GMT
Remember when she was dating her exh and asked for advice as if we were her friends? Now she's just a bitter, cat-loving heifer. Is calling someone a "heifer" making fun of their appearance? Just remembering the Ted Cruz thread.
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Post by Outspoken on Mar 28, 2016 3:12:36 GMT
On the other hand I would ask why OP felt the need to post this on Easter, the holiest Christian day. Since it's just an ordinary Sunday to anyone who isn't Christian then why bother to post "have a great Sunday"? [ The "He is Risen" thread OP said "Happy Easter to all who celebrate more than just the bunny visit." I thought that was mean so I started a thread for everyone who celebrates just the bunny visit (well the time off work too). I'm sorry that you don't like it when people are being nice. I see your "reasoning" here. But, 2 wrongs don't make a right. Couldn't you have taken the high road?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 3:17:45 GMT
Why not just wish happiness/blessings in this season of rebirth?
Or may all your chickens lay jumbo eggs and your cows give only cream.
May Your garden be free of pests .
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Post by freebird on Mar 28, 2016 3:35:31 GMT
I totally get the single smelly cat lady thing now.
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Post by nurseypants on Mar 28, 2016 3:38:41 GMT
I'd eally like to know what made you so bitter and angry and hateful. I have many agnostic and even atheist friends but never would they stoop this low. If prayers aren't your thing, maybe therapy should be considered. I'm not being sarcastic or snide. I truly worry about your well being at times. Your behavior is so off kilter at times. I'm praying for you anyway. Remember when she was dating her exh and asked for advice as if we were her friends? Now she's just a bitter, cat-loving heifer. This totally sounds like something Jesus would say. Good job modeling Christian behavior!
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Post by nurseypants on Mar 28, 2016 3:39:35 GMT
I totally get the single smelly cat lady thing now. Your dedication to practicing Christ-like behavior is truly inspiring.
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Post by supersoda on Mar 28, 2016 4:28:35 GMT
The thread title is just pure assholery, intended to be mean and make fun. And since the punch line is in the thread title, Christians are smacked with it regardless of whether they click through or not. It is just so petty and immature.
I'm an atheist, but I don't make fun of other's beliefs. I will respect your right to your beliefs and I hope that you will respect my right not to believe. Intentionally belittling someone else's beliefs is disrespectful and doesn't comport with my non-Christian moral compass.
Not all atheists are like Yubon.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Mar 28, 2016 6:04:07 GMT
I'd eally like to know what made you so bitter and angry and hateful. I have many agnostic and even atheist friends but never would they stoop this low. If prayers aren't your thing, maybe therapy should be considered. I'm not being sarcastic or snide. I truly worry about your well being at times. Your behavior is so off kilter at times. I'm praying for you anyway. Remember when she was dating her exh and asked for advice as if we were her friends? Now she's just a bitter, cat-loving heifer. no, I don't remember ever dating my exh
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Mar 28, 2016 6:04:59 GMT
I totally get the single smelly cat lady thing now. i haven't been single in over a year. Damn, you guys suck at keeping spreadsheets
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Mar 28, 2016 6:33:14 GMT
I'd eally like to know what made you so bitter and angry and hateful. I have many agnostic and even atheist friends but never would they stoop this low. If prayers aren't your thing, maybe therapy should be considered. I'm not being sarcastic or snide. I truly worry about your well being at times. Your behavior is so off kilter at times. I'm praying for you anyway. Your atheist friends just know that amongst believers isn't the time or place because you will be offended.we live in this overtly Christian society where our lack of belief is regularly scoffed at and mocked. Plenty of sarcasm abounds amongst ourselves but we don't share it for this reason. Especially because of the snarky "I'm praying for you" comments. If someone is mocking your belief system your offer is just silly. Close the thread and don't let it bug you. We all have a choice to be offended or not. So I won't be offended that you are offering non sincere offers of prayer for people and you don't be offended that other people think your religious beliefs are nonsense. It's a win win. Is praying for someone else (who doesn't believe) the same as apologizing on behalf of someone who doesn't want to or feel the need to apologize? Because that could be seen as offensive, no? I take an offer to be prayed for when I don't believe as insulting and disrespecting the fact that I do not believe. If you want people to respect that you believe and to accept that you just aren't going to agree with each other on this topic, offering to discount their lack of faith is not a way to find common ground. It's pretty simple. You wouldn't say 'go Patriots' to someone in an effort to squelch a disagreement if they believe the Pats are cheaters.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Mar 28, 2016 6:51:10 GMT
While I wouldn't have posted a thread like this, I don't think it's any more rude than the "Happy Easter only to those who celebrate it as a religious holiday" thread. And nary an atheist jumped in there to say how offended they were. Yeah...it kind of bums me out when my uber religious friend (everyone else is pretty respectful) discounts the tree and presents during Christmastime as if those things aren't important and the only important thing is the religious aspect. I love the feel of the season (my tree is up in October most years and Christmas music often shows up in the summer because I'm Irish and live in the desert and living indoors when it's 117 degrees outside...only going out at night like a vampire...is not that fun and I want to think of cooler times, even if we don't get snow) and the doing for others, and the spending time with family (80% of family friendly activities in Vegas occur during the late fall and early winter months so we cram a lot into those 3 months) and the gifts that I see as a way to try and cheer someone up, especially if we are doing a secret Santa style exchange and they weren't expecting much because they are struggling. THOSE things have GREAT meaning to me, so to say 'the real reason for the season' is in "Christ" and the other stuff doesn't matter, that hurts my soul.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 7:42:13 GMT
To me this thread has about as much weight and offence as the cartoons of Mohammed. I don't get the outrage from either Christians or Muslims over what someone outside of your religion thinks. Why are you so insecure to get so worked up about what a non-believer thinks? All the defensive name calling towards the OP only reinforces the fact that your 'god' doesn't seem to have as much impact on your life as you think it does. Oh yes, but of course, we are all sinners, blah blah blah. I would have thought that you would believe the OP is lost, so she needs your compassion and understanding and love. What happens though is the zealotry gets reinforced and is a complete turn off to religion.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Mar 28, 2016 7:46:46 GMT
To me this thread has about as much weight and offence as the cartoons of Mohammed. I don't get the outrage from either Christians or Muslims over what someone outside of your religion thinks. Why are you so insecure to get so worked up about what a non-believer thinks? All the defensive name calling towards the OP only reinforces the fact that your 'god' doesn't seem to have as much impact on your life as you think it does. Oh yes, but of course, we are all sinners, blah blah blah. I would have thought that you would believe the OP is lost, so she needs your compassion and understanding and love. What happens though is the zealotry gets reinforced and is a complete turn off to religion. Be tolerant of my beliefs while I criticize and condemn yours all while trying to force you to be impacted by my belief system, because I'm right, even if what you believe doesn't hurt me in the slightest. That pretty much summarizes the gay rights movement, does it not?
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Post by gar on Mar 28, 2016 7:56:12 GMT
On the other hand I would ask why OP felt the need to post this on Easter, the holiest Christian day. Since it's just an ordinary Sunday to anyone who isn't Christian then why bother to post "have a great Sunday"? But it isn't just an ordinary Sunday because even for non Christians the event is often a family occasion, a fun time to get together, eat good food etc, the advertising and shopping paraphernalia is everywhere and is hard to ignore and (in the UK at least) it's a 4 day weekend so no, it isn't just another Sunday really.
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Post by miominmio on Mar 28, 2016 8:59:52 GMT
While I wouldn't have posted a thread like this, I don't think it's any more rude than the "Happy Easter only to those who celebrate it as a religious holiday" thread. And nary an atheist jumped in there to say how offended they were. Yeah...it kind of bums me out when my uber religious friend (everyone else is pretty respectful) discounts the tree and presents during Christmastime as if those things aren't important and the only important thing is the religious aspect. I love the feel of the season (my tree is up in October most years and Christmas music often shows up in the summer because I'm Irish and live in the desert and living indoors when it's 117 degrees outside...only going out at night like a vampire...is not that fun and I want to think of cooler times, even if we don't get snow) and the doing for others, and the spending time with family (80% of family friendly activities in Vegas occur during the late fall and early winter months so we cram a lot into those 3 months) and the gifts that I see as a way to try and cheer someone up, especially if we are doing a secret Santa style exchange and they weren't expecting much because they are struggling. THOSE things have GREAT meaning to me, so to say 'the real reason for the season' is in "Christ" and the other stuff doesn't matter, that hurts my soul. People have been celebrating that time of the year since long before christianity, doesn't your friend know that? So celebrating with friends and family in December isn't something that's exclusively christian (in fact, they kinda hijacked the old saturnalia celebration in ancient Rome). So actually, "the real reason in the season" is celebrating the winter solstice!
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Post by miominmio on Mar 28, 2016 9:03:43 GMT
I'd eally like to know what made you so bitter and angry and hateful. I have many agnostic and even atheist friends but never would they stoop this low. If prayers aren't your thing, maybe therapy should be considered. I'm not being sarcastic or snide. I truly worry about your well being at times. Your behavior is so off kilter at times. I'm praying for you anyway. Remember when she was dating her exh and asked for advice as if we were her friends? Now she's just a bitter, cat-loving heifer. Such a classy, not to mention christ-like, response.
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Post by miominmio on Mar 28, 2016 9:05:32 GMT
On the other hand I would ask why OP felt the need to post this on Easter, the holiest Christian day. Since it's just an ordinary Sunday to anyone who isn't Christian then why bother to post "have a great Sunday"? But it isn't just an ordinary Sunday because even for non Christians the event is often a family occasion, a fun time to get together, eat good food etc, the advertising and shopping paraphernalia is everywhere and is hard to ignore and (in the UK at least) it's a 4 day weekend so no, it isn't just another Sunday really. Not to mention that people from lots of other religions have, and still do, celebrate the Spring Equinox. Bunnies and eggs for all!!
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Post by miominmio on Mar 28, 2016 9:06:42 GMT
You realize it is like Christmas right? A cultural holiday for many. Unless you are claiming egg hunts and giant rabbits at the mall is part of you worship. Yes of course. But that has nothing to do with the OP's original post. But was the OP in the "he has risen" post any better?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 9:15:13 GMT
The thing is, this *is* what non-believers think about those events. They don't believe Jesus was the son of God, and they don't believe in resurrection. They do think that people had delusions about seeing a ghost. And maybe people did "make shit up". My personal belief is that Jesus Christ was resurrected on the third day which we now call Easter, and it doesn't matter to me what anyone else thinks. As a non believer, no this isn't what I think about those events. I don't think about it period, it has no relevance to me or my life. I'd be interested to know how much thought other atheists give these matters. I really don't care what other people believe but if you think name calling and ridiculing the op is any better or more christlike than what she did then you might also be an asshole.
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Post by monklady123 on Mar 28, 2016 11:12:50 GMT
The thing is, this *is* what non-believers think about those events. They don't believe Jesus was the son of God, and they don't believe in resurrection. They do think that people had delusions about seeing a ghost. And maybe people did "make shit up". My personal belief is that Jesus Christ was resurrected on the third day which we now call Easter, and it doesn't matter to me what anyone else thinks. As a non believer, no this isn't what I think about those events. I don't think about it period, it has no relevance to me or my life. I'd be interested to know how much thought other atheists give these matters. I really don't care what other people believe but if you think name calling and ridiculing the op is any better or more christlike than what she did then you might also be an asshole. Hopefully that was a general "you" because I don't think I did any name-calling or ridiculing in my replies. And you're right, I should have said "some" non-believers if they are asked. I have a good friend who identifies herself as an "agnostic atheist". lol (that's HER "lol" by the way). She says it depends on her mood. But no she doesn't spend time thinking about God or Jesus or any religion, unless someone would ask her what she believes. Then she would tell you that she does not believe Jesus was the son of God although she does think he was a real person. And yes I do understand that Easter is a "cultural" holiday (for whoever asked originally) for a lot of people. I grew up in a family like that, and I didn't know know that Easter had any religious meaning at all until I was about 12. Seriously. lol. In my defense I lived in a very Jewish neighborhood and did know a lot about Jewish holidays. -- Nothing wrong with celebrating Easter as a time to get together with family and hunt eggs and eat chocolate (as if I would need any extra reason to eat chocolate ). As I said up-thread somewhere it takes nothing away from my own faith if other people believe differently. That's what I never quite understand about these types of discussions, here or in the media (like when a movie comes out that some think is "sacrilegious"). Words are just words and how does it change anyone's faith to hear about how someone else believes or doesn't believe? Anyway...just my little soapbox for this morning. I'm visiting my parents and there was no coffee creamer in the house. So I walked over to the grocery store this morning to buy some and while I was there some 70% off Easter candy jumped into my cart. Yay for chocolate!
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Post by nurseypants on Mar 28, 2016 11:22:35 GMT
Be tolerant of my beliefs while I criticize and condemn yours all while trying to force you to be impacted by my belief system, because I'm right, even if what you believe doesn't hurt me in the slightest. That pretty much summarizes the gay rights movement, does it not? This post makes no sense, but it does sound like someone's not over the 'gay marriage being is now legal across the land' thing.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Mar 28, 2016 12:07:58 GMT
Words are just words and how does it change anyone's faith to hear about how someone else believes or doesn't believe? This makes me think of the recent discussion on here about proselytism. It's really a two-way street. I like the idea of just respecting other's beliefs without trying to influence them... but that really isn't human nature, is it? We often feel the need to convince others to think the way we think. And many religious groups have an imperative for their members to do just that. But many are also highly offended and/or incensed by non-believers doing the same. I'm not directing any of this to you personally monklady123 as I always find your contributions here to be thoughtful and valuable. These are just thoughts that come to mind for me reading this thread.
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Post by JustTricia on Mar 28, 2016 12:13:15 GMT
Yubon didn't post happy Easter or happy spring or Equinox or bunny day or chocolate day or anything relating to a non-religious celebration of Easter. She said to have a great Sunday. She did not relate yesterday to any celebration of her own except it being a Sunday. So, should we expect this same type of thread every Sunday? After all, she just set a precedent implying it's just like any other Sunday.
I have no issue with the majority of the OP. We are all free to post what we like, just like the He Is Risen thread. I read this OP and thought, interesting viewpoint, I can respect that. Until I got to the end of the first sentence. Tell me you don't believe, that you are based in science, you want proof, the story is make believe, lore, legend, myth, folklore, or you plain just don't care. But say "simply made shit up" and there I realize you aren't in for a respectful discussion, you're just in it to rile people up. There are a million ways to have a conversation without insults, and the way that one part of the sentence was worded was an insult. I don't see "happy Easter to those celebrating more than a bunny" as an insult. Now if it said "happy Easter to all except you heathens who are going to burn in hell", yes. That's inappropriate. Show me respect and even if we are on opposite ends of the spectrum I'll show the same to you.
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Post by raindancer on Mar 28, 2016 13:56:45 GMT
Yubon didn't post happy Easter or happy spring or Equinox or bunny day or chocolate day or anything relating to a non-religious celebration of Easter. She said to have a great Sunday. She did not relate yesterday to any celebration of her own except it being a Sunday. So, should we expect this same type of thread every Sunday? After all, she just set a precedent implying it's just like any other Sunday. I have no issue with the majority of the OP. We are all free to post what we like, just like the He Is Risen thread. I read this OP and thought, interesting viewpoint, I can respect that. Until I got to the end of the first sentence. Tell me you don't believe, that you are based in science, you want proof, the story is make believe, lore, legend, myth, folklore, or you plain just don't care. But say "simply made shit up" and there I realize you aren't in for a respectful discussion, you're just in it to rile people up. There are a million ways to have a conversation without insults, and the way that one part of the sentence was worded was an insult. I don't see "happy Easter to those celebrating more than a bunny" as an insult. Now if it said "happy Easter to all except you heathens who are going to burn in hell", yes. That's inappropriate. Show me respect and even if we are on opposite ends of the spectrum I'll show the same to you. I disagree. The he is risen op was just as insulting but was just less blunt. Passive aggressive comments against the nonreligious in the US is pretty common. Unless you don't believe you would never catch all the subtle crap we hear on a regular basis from everyone e, including our own families.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Mar 28, 2016 14:16:00 GMT
So, should we expect this same type of thread every Sunday? . [ Hell no. Ain't nobody got time for that. For a thread title that is "soooo offensive", some of you whiners are doing a good job keeping it on the first page.
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