grinningcat
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Post by grinningcat on Apr 3, 2016 14:06:27 GMT
Good grief. Kids are so freakin' babied these days and it's really becoming pathetic. Kids can and should walk to school... especially if they miss their responsibility of catching the bus. And that the police are investigating neglect? Get over it. Kids need independence, not being infantilized because some adults are so freakin' afraid of the boogeyman lurking behind the bushes. Seriously. It's maddening to watch these kids grow up because they cannot manage the simplest and most basic tasks because mommy and daddy (though mostly mommy) can't handle the fact that they are growing up and actually capable of growing up.
Good for the mom for teaching a lesson. Boo to the police for being part of the stupid nanny state that has grown up around kids that keeps them useless and stupid because god forbid kids actually take responsibility.
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Post by moveablefeast on Apr 3, 2016 14:19:03 GMT
I don't know that area so I would have no knowledge of whether it was safe for the kids to walk or not.
I know my daughter would not be safe walking to her school. It's not far, it's totally walkable by distance, but she would have to cross two major roads (3 or 4 lanes each direction) at uncontrolled intersections including crossing two highway on ramps. That's not okay with me. Kids who live in the neighborhood and don't have to cross the highway are perfectly safe walking to and from - but we live in the next cluster over, still in the school boundary but across the intersection of two major roads, and that makes a big difference to me. It's the major street crossings that I'm not ok with for an elementary schooler.
It sounds to me like a bad situation that got blown out of proportion. Why doesn't mom have a license? Where's dad? What other factors are involved? Was a charge of neglect appropriate or does the family need resources? Hard to tell. Lots of judgment available to pass around though, clearly.
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breetheflea
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Post by breetheflea on Apr 3, 2016 15:30:05 GMT
My DS's soccer coach (DS is 6) makes the kids do push ups when they misbehave. That sounds like a better punishment than walking 3.5 to school (which if it was my kids would take over two hours).
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ellen
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Post by ellen on Apr 3, 2016 15:41:03 GMT
If these kids were walking on a sidewalk, no problem. It sounds like they were walking on a road when many people were going to work. That isn't safe.
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iluvpink
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Post by iluvpink on Apr 3, 2016 15:55:47 GMT
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Dani-Mani
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Post by Dani-Mani on Apr 3, 2016 16:02:54 GMT
They were clearly put in an unsafe situation.
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Post by cath4k on Apr 3, 2016 16:11:10 GMT
Good grief. Kids are so freakin' babied these days and it's really becoming pathetic. Kids can and should walk to school... especially if they miss their responsibility of catching the bus. And that the police are investigating neglect? Get over it. Kids need independence, not being infantilized because some adults are so freakin' afraid of the boogeyman lurking behind the bushes. Seriously. It's maddening to watch these kids grow up because they cannot manage the simplest and most basic tasks because mommy and daddy (though mostly mommy) can't handle the fact that they are growing up and actually capable of growing up. Good for the mom for teaching a lesson. Boo to the police for being part of the stupid nanny state that has grown up around kids that keeps them useless and stupid because god forbid kids actually take responsibility. Off the top of my head, I can think of numerous incidents locally - all of which happened in "good neighborhoods." There was an attempted abduction of an elementary-aged child from his bus stop on a six lane road with lots of traffic at the time, the abduction, rape, and murder of an 11 yo girl walking home from a friend's house, my friend's little brother walking home from school with his sister and a group of kids who was killed in a small intersection that didn't have a crossing guard, my friend who was almost abducted on her way to our bus stop (she managed to pull away from him and ran away), and a girl who was dragged behind a neighborhood sign at her bus stop and was raped. This is just off the top of my head.
I have been very careful with my kids and have also given them appropriate independence - so much so that the two who are adults now have managed to grow up and live healthy, productive, adventurous lives, including traveling and even living out of the country. But I was absolutely protective of them when they were young - because sometimes the boogeyman IS lurking behind the bushes.
I tend to think the authorities wouldn't have gotten involved in this case if the children were walking to school under safe and appropriate conditions, especially if they were being supervised by a parent while doing it.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 3, 2016 16:14:07 GMT
We have the same situation as moveablefeast in that we don't live far from school by car, but to walk wouldn't be safe for an adult with a state highway (speed limit is 65 mph where our two neighborhood entrances to the highway are) divide us and the school and there are no crosswalks whatsoever. There are no crosswalks for a reason, no one should be walking out there. Our neighborhood doesn't have any sidewalks period, so to walk anywhere you're walking in the street. The quieter streets are fine but some of the busier streets, I wouldn't want my kindergartener walking along there because there are simply too many cars and they're going too fast. The neighborhood our school is directly located in is much denser, houses close together, sidewalks and walking paths present, 30 mph speed limit max, so there are many kids from that neighborhood that do walk but most of the other kids are bussed because of the highway and/or distance from school. If my child missed her bus, I would have to come up with another consequence, such as going to bed and getting up an hour earlier and missing out on after dinner activities she enjoys as a result. For my kid in particular, having to get up earlier would be the better consequence because it would be much less desirable than having to walk three miles and the point would still be made. Under appropriate circumstances, I could see letting the kids walk as being a suitable consequence for missing the bus but not if it would put them in an unsafe situation. Common sense (which sadly isn't always all that common) ought to prevail. Having young children (who would be difficult to see due to their size) walk along the side of a busy road at a time when many people would be going to work, probably in semi-darkness, and hoping other drivers will stay away from the shoulder where they're walking is counting an awful lot on other people not doing stupid things. With all the crazy stories about people texting, eating, putting on makeup, even shaving while driving, there are a lot of distracted drivers on the road these days.
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 3, 2016 16:17:51 GMT
Under appropriate circumstances, I could see letting the kids walk as being a suitable consequence for missing the bus but not if it would put them in an unsafe situation. Common sense (which sadly isn't always all that common) ought to prevail. Having young children (who would be difficult to see due to their size) walk along the side of a busy road at a time when many people would be going to work, probably in semi-darkness, and hoping other drivers will stay away from the shoulder where they're walking is counting an awful lot on other people not doing stupid things. With all the crazy stories about people texting, eating, putting on makeup, even shaving while driving, there are a lot of distracted drivers on the road these days. I agree! I told my son he could walk to work. All sidewalks and it's less than a mile. What's sad is this woman wasn't using any common sense. I can't imagine making any child walk along the side of a busy road where there is heavy traffic. That's poor judgement.
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Peamac
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Post by Peamac on Apr 3, 2016 16:55:04 GMT
Under ten years old, walking three and a half miles to school? No, i would not make my kids do that. That would take an hour at least, and in chilly weather and morning traffic with no sidewalks? No. A teenager, yes. Under ten is too young.
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