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Post by zztop11 on Apr 19, 2016 0:50:21 GMT
I really can't decide who I want to vote for. On the one hand, I would love to see a woman as president. I'm 62. I do plan on living till at least 100 so I know there could be another woman who runs. But Clinton seems like such a fit for this. Which is why some people want Sanders. He'll shake it up. So please tell me why I should vote for Clinton or vote for Sanders and give me the reason why. Thanks.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Apr 19, 2016 0:53:13 GMT
Nope. Don't care who you vote for.
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Post by carhoch on Apr 19, 2016 0:54:59 GMT
I really think she is more qualified and I really don't think he's that he is electable .
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zztop11
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Post by zztop11 on Apr 19, 2016 0:57:56 GMT
Republicans need not respond. I'm looking to hear opinions from Democrats. Thanks.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Apr 19, 2016 0:59:53 GMT
Republicans need not respond. I'm looking to hear opinions from Democrats. Thanks. im a democrat and I already told you I dnt care who you vote for. I'm not going to waste time convincing someone why they should vote for one candidate over the other. Do your own research.
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Post by peasapie on Apr 19, 2016 1:03:01 GMT
I am in the same quandry. . At the end of the day, I think Clinton's experience counts for a lot. I like Sanders' character, but I'm not in favor of universal free tuition.
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Post by zztop11 on Apr 19, 2016 1:04:57 GMT
Republicans need not respond. I'm looking to hear opinions from Democrats. Thanks. im a democrat and I already told you I dnt care who you vote for. I'm not going to waste time convincing someone why they should vote for one candidate over the other. Do your own research. I didn't say that you were. I've done my research. What is so wrong with asking for another person's opinion?
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Post by lucyg on Apr 19, 2016 1:17:17 GMT
I'm not even in love with Sanders' character anymore. I'm pretty disgusted with his heaping blame all over Hillary for the 1994 crime bill (which she was not in a position to vote on, btw) which he actually VOTED FOR. Shut the hell up already if you're part of the problem, Bernie.
I like Hillary's brains, education, attitude, values, common sense, and experience (including life experience), and I expect to vote for her quite happily. I regret that she doesn't have the charisma and appeal of her husband, but that's life. I wish she were a little younger, but oh well. She isn't perfect, but as far as I can tell, we only expect perfection from our female candidates. I expect she'll make a much better president than any of the other options on either side of the aisle.
I will vote for Bernie if he's the nominee in November, but I sure hope it's going to be Hillary.
(And even if I thought Bernie was a crook and hated him with the light of 1000 suns, I'd still vote for him in November. Because Supreme Court.)
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Post by librarylady on Apr 19, 2016 1:18:36 GMT
Just like any other job: Who has the experience to bring "the most" to the job? Who probably has a better understanding of all the political forces at play outside the US border? Since it is politics: Who knows how to work with the rest of the people on the Hill?
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 19, 2016 1:30:05 GMT
I'm not even in love with Sanders' character anymore. I'm pretty disgusted with his heaping blame all over Hillary for the 1994 crime bill (which she was not in a position to vote on, btw) which he actually VOTED FOR. Shut the hell up already if you're part of the problem, Bernie. I like Hillary's brains, education, attitude, values, common sense, and experience (including life experience), and I expect to vote for her quite happily. I regret that she doesn't have the charisma and appeal of her husband, but that's life. I wish she were a little younger, but oh well. She isn't perfect, but as far as I can tell, we only expect perfection from our female candidates. I expect she'll make a much better president than any of the other options on either side of the aisle. I will vote for Bernie if he's the nominee in November, but I sure hope it's going to be Hillary. (And even if I thought Bernie was a crook and hated him with the light of 1000 suns, I'd still vote for him in November. Because Supreme Court.) What Lucy said. Hillary has withstood years of accusations and none of them have stuck. None of them. I am biased, because I do not care for Bernie. Hillary is a policy wonk. She is also familiar with foreign policy. My big problem with Sanders is this: he does not seem, to me at least, to have a carefully thought-out means of taking back Congress and also state legislatures. Many of those House members are sitting in safe districts, and do not need to fear a Democratic competitor. And he wants a revolution-but half of the country leans conservative. So how would that work? I will vote for him if he is the nominee, though.
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Post by ntsf on Apr 19, 2016 1:35:13 GMT
I know someone who works for hillary and works with her closely. I hear such great things she does..on a personal basis and not in the headlines. I saw her at one event and was so impressed with her demeanor. She is strong, qualified and though not perfect, will work to get some thing done, rather than waiting for the people's revolution..
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Post by ntsf on Apr 19, 2016 1:35:40 GMT
I know someone who works for hillary and works with her closely. I hear such great things she does..on a personal basis and not in the headlines. I saw her at one event and was so impressed with her demeanor. She is strong, qualified and though not perfect, will work to get some thing done, rather than waiting for the people's revolution.. I will vote democrat...over any republican
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Post by cmpeter on Apr 19, 2016 1:35:50 GMT
I agree with Lucy and Molly. While I like some of the ideas that Sanders has, I a) don't think he has a chance of achieving them with the current Congress and b) am fiscally conservative enough to not want to take the tax hit if we were. I am also ready for a female president.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 19, 2016 1:36:24 GMT
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Post by zztop11 on Apr 19, 2016 1:43:13 GMT
I was leaning towards Clinton. Pretty much decided that's who it will be. I was a public school teacher for 30 years. I have to admit that the female principals were more effective than the males. I know that has nothing to do with politics and everyone is an individual but I like the fact that she can stand up to the "big boys". She doesn't let anyone walk over her. I'm so not in to politics. I hate watching debates. I feel like they are very staged.
Mollycoddle - Thanks for that site. These two candidates are much more alike than I thought as far as what they support.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 19, 2016 1:45:16 GMT
They are. It seems like their methods are the main difference between them.
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Post by kellybelly77 on Apr 19, 2016 2:08:52 GMT
I caucused for Bernie here in Kansas but honestly, I am voting for whoever gets the Democratic nod in Nov. The thought of a Republican presidency scares me! Especially with the 2 front runners.
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Post by SabrinaP on Apr 19, 2016 2:16:28 GMT
I think foreign policy is the most important thing we will face in the coming years, and I think Clinton is the most qualified in that area. I don't think Sanders is electable in the general election, because he is way too far left.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Apr 19, 2016 2:18:47 GMT
I voted for Clinton.. and sort of wished I had voted for Bernie. I would be happy with either of them. I like Hillary I think she is smart. I think she would be one hellava president The thought of spending another 4 or 8 years listening to people go on about F'ing Bengazi is enough to make me vote for Sanders. I am more closely aligned with Bernie's platform. I fear he won't be able to get a damn thing done. Very Helpful I know. I debated until I went into the polling place... at the end of the day. I went with Hillary. She is slightly more conservative then me... but I think she'll get things done. And I have been listening to way too much Hamilton.. because now I am singing..... Clinton or Bern... Clinton or Bernnnnnn..... I think I know who Alexander Hamilton would support. Election of 1800.. if you are wondering what I am going on about. www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUOfpIPztKM
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Post by ilikepink on Apr 19, 2016 2:22:03 GMT
I'm reluctantly leaning towards Hillary. There are goods and bads for both of them--but I don't think that some of Bernie's proposals, while admirable, are not particularly practical. I don't completely believe that she is as clean as a candidate should be, but on paper she is the best qualified. What I'm afraid of is that congress will block everything she tries to do, and nothing will get done - similar to what's been going on lately.
I wish there were a better choice.
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 19, 2016 2:25:03 GMT
So I am one of those people who will happily vote for either if they are the Democratic nominee. I like both and get the plusses and minuses of each.
I personally caucused here for Bernie because I map on to his policy positions. I wanted to vote out of hope and aspiration -- I want a government that looks like what he wants our government to look like. Listening to him speak, and talking to other supporters at the caucuses, was really affirming for me. I also am a professor, and I think a lot about what I want the world to look like for my students -- I want them to be able to enter the workforce without worrying constantly about whether they can get healthcare, or if they can pay off their debt.
But, honestly, I think Hillary has such an incredible resume, and will hit the ground running. You cannot go wrong.
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 19, 2016 2:52:09 GMT
Hillary is the Establishment's choice. Bernie is for the people and definitely not Establishment.
Hillary sways her opinion to suit her audience. Bernie is steadfast and has been saying the same thing for 30 years.
Hillary accepts contributions from Wall St, pharmaceuticals, and others of the billionaire class. Bernie is backed by unions and Americans.
Hillary believes it's her turn to be president. Bernie believes corporations should not be running the president or the country.
Morally, I cannot vote for Hillary. Morally, I can vote for Bernie.
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Post by GiantsFan on Apr 19, 2016 3:27:59 GMT
Republicans need not respond. I'm looking to hear opinions from Democrats. Thanks. I know you wanted Democrat opinions, but given my GOP choices if Clinton is the nominee I'm pretty sure she'll be getting my vote, for the same reasons Lucy already mentioned. If its Bernie and one of the two Republican front runners, I might be withholding my vote. I don't vote only along party lines. I vote for whoever best aligns with my personal views.
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Post by seaexplore on Apr 19, 2016 3:30:31 GMT
Neither. I think that ALL the options for president on both sides are horrid options.
That said, if I don't vote, I can't bitch so I better find SOMEONE to vote for! Lol
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Post by flanz on Apr 19, 2016 5:49:40 GMT
I think foreign policy is the most important thing we will face in the coming years, and I think Clinton is the most qualified in that area. I don't think Sanders is electable in the general election, because he is way too far left. ALL of the polls i've read say that Bernie is way stronger in terms of odds of beating Trump or Cruz in the general. I was very torn between voting for Hillary and Barack in '08, and ended up an Obama supporter. In the years since, I have come to distrust Hillary, and am very leery of her relationships with Wall Street and big banks. I think she is very smart and very articulate, but I also believe she would lead us into more war than Bernie ever would. I am one of the lucky ones, secure financially. However, I am very very disturbed by the gross income inequality in this country, the disappearing middle class and the huge and growing numbers of working poor, people working full-time minimum wage jobs who can't afford housing and to fed their kids, the injustice in the prison system and so much more. Which candidate do I think will help us create the country I dream of for my kids and hopefully, eventually grandkids - Bernie Sanders, without a doubt! He is truly "of the people for the people" and I believe in him. He has worked for social justice for his entire career. Sadly, I think Hillary has been corrupted by power along the way.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Apr 19, 2016 6:18:51 GMT
Hillary is the Establishment's choice. Bernie is for the people and definitely not Establishment. Hillary sways her opinion to suit her audience. Bernie is steadfast and has been saying the same thing for 30 years. Hillary accepts contributions from Wall St, pharmaceuticals, and others of the billionaire class. Bernie is backed by unions and Americans.Hillary believes it's her turn to be president. Bernie believes corporations should not be running the president or the country. Morally, I cannot vote for Hillary. Morally, I can vote for Bernie. The Afl-CIO have not endorsed a candidate. (just like they didn't in 2008 until June when Obama had the candidacy locked up.) Over 20 unions have backed Clinton vs. 3 for Sanders. And Bernie is backed by Americans? I guess you are implying that Hillary is not? Who are all the people voting for her then? I guess I'm not American!!!
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Apr 19, 2016 6:20:08 GMT
Hillary is the Establishment's choice. Bernie is for the people and definitely not Establishment. Hillary sways her opinion to suit her audience. Bernie is steadfast and has been saying the same thing for 30 years. Hillary accepts contributions from Wall St, pharmaceuticals, and others of the billionaire class. Bernie is backed by unions and Americans.Hillary believes it's her turn to be president. Bernie believes corporations should not be running the president or the country. Morally, I cannot vote for Hillary. Morally, I can vote for Bernie. The Afl-CIO have not endorsed a candidate. (just like they didn't in 2008 until June when Obama had the candidacy locked up.) Over 20 unions have backed Clinton vs. 3 for Sanders. And Bernie is backed by Americans? I guess you are implying that Hillary is not? Who are all the people voting for her then? I guess I'm not American!!! Comments like yours.. and the Bernie Bro's are partially why I did not vote for Bernie. When so many of his supporters need to bash Clinton in order to win the nomination... it is a complete turn off.
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Post by cycworker on Apr 19, 2016 7:11:42 GMT
I love Bernie. I do agree with his ideas.
But even if he can win the general, I don't think he can get his agenda through. He's too much of an idealogue to make the compromises necessary to get things done. He's not Establishment, and the Establishment will shut him down.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 8:04:00 GMT
Bernie is an idealist.
Hillary is a pragmatist.
Hillary has foreign policy experience.
Bernie does not have any measurable foreign policy experience.
This is country has always been govern from the middle shaded slightly to the left or right depending on who is in The White House. Countries are govern by pragmatists not idealists.
The greater threat to this country are terrorists and the Middle East in general and not Wall Street as some would have one believe.
And that is why I'll be voting for Hillary.
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Post by mimi3566 on Apr 19, 2016 11:34:03 GMT
Hillary is the Establishment's choice. Bernie is for the people and definitely not Establishment. Hillary sways her opinion to suit her audience. Bernie is steadfast and has been saying the same thing for 30 years. Hillary accepts contributions from Wall St, pharmaceuticals, and others of the billionaire class. Bernie is backed by unions and Americans. Hillary believes it's her turn to be president. Bernie believes corporations should not be running the president or the country. Morally, I cannot vote for Hillary. Morally, I can vote for Bernie. This is exactly how I feel, with the exception of the last comment because if she makes the nomination and it appears as though she will....I will give her my vote only because I morally cannot vote for either of the two possible republican candidates....but I'm am so hoping that Bernie gets the nom.
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