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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 0:37:38 GMT
Why do you assume Bernie does not understand how important it is for Democrats to control the House and/or Senate? Has he ever said anything about not caring or not working towards that goal? No he has NOT! You are implying that voting for Hillary Clinton comes with an automatic Democratic House and/or Senate, and a vote for Bernie Sanders means an automatic Republican House and/or Senate like we have no with no change for the next 4-5 years. What gives you this opinion and certainty? Because I'd like to explain something to you. We Bernie supporters don't buy this for one second. We believe voting for Bernie Sanders is our best chance of getting a Democratic House and Senate. Debbie in MD. Actions speak louder than words. Hillary has help raise $18M for down ballot candidates. Prior to Bernie picking his three chosen candidates to fundraise for a couple of weeks ago what exactly has Bernie done to help the Democratic candidates running for the House and Senate? Who knows if the fundraising Hillary is doing will help elect more Democrats but the point is she is doing something. I suspect if Sanders hadn't come under criticism for not fundraising for down ballot candidates he wouldn't even have picked the three candidates he finally did. I understand why you are voting for Bernie because I feel the same way about Hillary. But as you and others take great great delight in going on about how Hillary does this or that don't expect those of us on the other side aren't going to point out Bernie's flaws as well. And the more he talks the more they become apparent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 16:23:55 GMT
Please note above where I did point out Sanders had finally started raising money for "chosen" candidates after criticism from Democrats that he had done nothing for down ballot candidates. Hillary, last time I had checked, had help raise $18M for down ballot candidates. And unless specified by the donor the money went to help a variety of Democratic candidates. So maybe it's this headache that won't go away but I'm just not getting your point. Gotta apologize, krazyscrapper ...I'm a serial skimmer. You are completely correct though, he did only just start fundraising and it isn't for the Democrats as a whole, it's more or less the up and coming Democrats that hold the Sanders POV. I would like to point out, though, it is purported that a huge portion of the money Hillary has brought in to the DNC has been funneled right back to her campaign through a tricky but legal loophole. If so, Hillary isn't doing as much for the DNC as it looks like she's doing as she may be the main beneficiary of her "down ticket" fundraising. (I posted on this the other day: begins page 3 @apr 18, 2016 at 4:38pm) No problem I just couldn't figured out what I was missing. I did read the story how the money is divided. It's money for expenses. Is she getting too much? I don't know. But from what I understand it's her campaign that sends out the fundraiser emails using their email data base. It's her team that puts together the ads and yes the ads are shaded toward her. And it's her name that is the draw. The amount she has raised for down ticket candidates has been shown at $18M. Considering how much money she has raised and for how many months she has been doing it $18M is more than likely the amount after the campaign takes out their expenses. I don't think there is a Democrat out there that doesn't want a lot less money in politics. And that includes jaded Hillary. If for no other reason it's takes up so much time to raise the money. I understand there is going to be a story on 60 Minutes Sunday called "Dialing for Dollars" on how much time a week a House member has to spend time calling around for donations. But a lot less money in politics is not the world we live in. I look at politics as a big silly game. And in order to change the rules you have to play the game and win and that's the only way you can change the rules. That is not an excuse but a reality. Say for a second that Bernie is the nominee and he sticks to his small donor rule. There is no question he has raised a lot of money from his small donors. But the reality is he has spent a lot of money against a candidate who hasn't really attacked him the way she could have. Right now the Republicans are fighting among themselves. But pretty soon they will zero in on the Democrats. Having a card carrying Socialist who's entire agenda revolves around big tax increases and expanding government as a Democratic nominee will act like waving a huge red cape at a charging Republican well funded nominee. In order for Bernie to have any chance of winning he will need to be just as well funded or have even more money then the Republicans. He can take his moral high road about campaign finance but if he loses because of that then we are stuck with 4 years of a Republican President who will stack the Supreme Court to the right that will takes decades to unravel. There is no guarantee that even a well funded Bernie or Hillary will win the White House but we certainly don't want our candidates to be at a disadvantage because of the lack of funds. And to count on Bernie's small donors to carry the day is short sighted. It's the winners that can change the rules. All you have to do is look what happened when W was in office. He got his Supreme Court choices on the court and because of that we have Citizens United.
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Post by birukitty on Apr 23, 2016 21:45:24 GMT
Why do you assume Bernie does not understand how important it is for Democrats to control the House and/or Senate? Has he ever said anything about not caring or not working towards that goal? No he has NOT! You are implying that voting for Hillary Clinton comes with an automatic Democratic House and/or Senate, and a vote for Bernie Sanders means an automatic Republican House and/or Senate like we have no with no change for the next 4-5 years. What gives you this opinion and certainty? Because I'd like to explain something to you. We Bernie supporters don't buy this for one second. We believe voting for Bernie Sanders is our best chance of getting a Democratic House and Senate. Debbie in MD. Actions speak louder than words. Hillary has help raise $18M for down ballot candidates. Prior to Bernie picking his three chosen candidates to fundraise for a couple of weeks ago what exactly has Bernie done to help the Democratic candidates running for the House and Senate? Who knows if the fundraising Hillary is doing will help elect more Democrats but the point is she is doing something. I suspect if Sanders hadn't come under criticism for not fundraising for down ballot candidates he wouldn't even have picked the three candidates he finally did. I understand why you are voting for Bernie because I feel the same way about Hillary. But as you and others take great great delight in going on about how Hillary does this or that don't expect those of us on the other side aren't going to point out Bernie's flaws as well. And the more he talks the more they become apparent. Krazyscrapper-we are NEVER going to agree on this and frankly it's becoming a waste of time arguing back and forth with you. You of course are free to state whatever you wish on this board, but for me I'm outa here on this issue. I've got better things to do. Debbie in MD.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 17:01:38 GMT
Actions speak louder than words. Hillary has help raise $18M for down ballot candidates. Prior to Bernie picking his three chosen candidates to fundraise for a couple of weeks ago what exactly has Bernie done to help the Democratic candidates running for the House and Senate? Who knows if the fundraising Hillary is doing will help elect more Democrats but the point is she is doing something. I suspect if Sanders hadn't come under criticism for not fundraising for down ballot candidates he wouldn't even have picked the three candidates he finally did. I understand why you are voting for Bernie because I feel the same way about Hillary. But as you and others take great great delight in going on about how Hillary does this or that don't expect those of us on the other side aren't going to point out Bernie's flaws as well. And the more he talks the more they become apparent. Krazyscrapper-we are NEVER going to agree on this and frankly it's becoming a waste of time arguing back and forth with you. You of course are free to state whatever you wish on this board, but for me I'm outa here on this issue. I've got better things to do. Debbie in MD. I absoulately agree. We are each looking at two people and seeing them differently and so we will never agree. And that is ok. Depending on what happens on Tuesday Sander's campaign could be over. If it is over the question for Sanders and his supporters are what are they going to do to keep his vision alive in some form. I hope they find away. As a Democrat I don't disagree with what he wants just how far to the left he wants to go and his method.
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Post by carhoch on Apr 24, 2016 19:43:43 GMT
I am ready for Bernie to go home and the Democrats to unite behind Hillary .
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Post by birukitty on Apr 25, 2016 2:25:16 GMT
Well I've got 3 people in my family voting for Sanders here in Maryland on Tuesday so we'll see what happens. I'm not sure who my Dad (a Republican) is voting for because I know he will not vote for Donald Trump. My mother can't vote (she kept her German citizenship), in case she ever wanted to go back.
Debbie in MD.
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