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Post by jeremysgirl on Apr 22, 2016 17:13:27 GMT
Your son probably doesn't realize what a major accomplishment this is for you. I mean, you have a job, a family and you've managed to complete a degree at the same time. You are absolutely entitled to feel hurt that your son would rather be somewhere else than your graduation ceremony. I would let him know that it will hurt your feelings if he's not there. You've stood by him, you've been there for him as he's endured some pretty rough stuff. It's not too much to ask him to spend one afternoon doing something that's important to you. That's what you do for people you love, even when you don't find the activity particularly fun or exciting. You summed up my feelings on this really succinctly. I am going to try to convey this to him.
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Post by compeateropeator on Apr 22, 2016 17:24:50 GMT
Congrats on your huge accomplishment.
I wouldn't force him, but I have to admit that I would never think of missing a celebration for a huge accomplishment by my mother unless it was completely unavoidable.
On the flip side I graduated mid year and decided not to participate in the graduation ceremony that May. I never regretted it but my Mother was really disappointed and has never forgot it...hahaha.
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Post by peano on Apr 22, 2016 17:30:47 GMT
I am still hurt that neither of my parents attended my HS graduation. Par for the course for my mother, but my father's response to "Are you coming to my graduation?" was "I'll be there if you want me to," and that was just as hurtful. Granted, nothing surpasses the boredom factor quite like a graduation, and our last name begins with "Y" so we would have still been sitting there until the bitter end, but I think it's just one of those family milestones that needs to be marked by everyone. These onerous obligations are character-building IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 17:38:43 GMT
Family first. She will have other birthdays. Her birthday can easily be celebrated before or after. She's just the girlfriend. You are his mother. Play the "I birthed you" card if you must (assuming you did).
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Apr 22, 2016 17:40:10 GMT
I agree with all those who say he should go.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 22, 2016 18:06:05 GMT
I'm kind of dismayed that there's some new criteria that something needs to be "fun" in order to show up. If that's the new criteria for things that I need to do for family members, there's a shitload of things I can take off my todo list every day. It's one thing if there's a genuine conflict - nothing in your OP indicates any issue with both attending your graduation and celebrating the gf's birthday.
ETA - congrats on your accomplishment!
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Post by stingfan on Apr 22, 2016 18:24:03 GMT
I think he should be there. Obviously, you can't force a grown person to do something they don't want to do, but in my family, dh would be telling the kid that he would be there. This is a big achievement for you and the family should celebrate it together. I honestly don't understand making excuses for him. Yes, graduation ceremonies can be super boring. The point of going isn't to be entertained. It's to show your love, respect, and admiration to the graduate.
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Post by chaosisapony on Apr 22, 2016 18:28:36 GMT
Would he expect you to go to his ceremony? My kid would be going. He could see his girlfriend either before or after Yep. A graduation doesn't take up the entire day, he can still see the girlfriend and the graduation. Graduations are boring but since you've decided to walk it becomes a non-optional family event. He probably doesn't understand how hurtful it is to you that he doesn't want to go. Explain it to him and ask him how he'd feel if his mom weren't at his graduation because she had other things she wanted to do.
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Post by BeckyTech on Apr 22, 2016 18:39:54 GMT
I try not to weigh in on kid issues since mine have 4 legs and fur, but can I just say I am hurt for you? I know how hard this has been and you've had extra to work through what with your medication and all. Gosh, I'd go if I were close to you, I think you have a lot to be proud of!
I hope he is willing to compromise and bring his girlfriend with him to your graduation. This is a one-in-a-lifetime family event. Hopefully he has the maturity to see that his family - and supporting them - is an important part of life.
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Post by littlemama on Apr 22, 2016 19:09:55 GMT
That is a celebration of a huge accomplishment for a close family member. Yes, he needs to be there. He can see gf afterwards or the next day.
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Post by STBC on Apr 22, 2016 19:12:06 GMT
This is a big deal! Congratulations! I think your DS should come to the graduation and then make arrangements to celebrate with the GF later that same day or the day before. Supporting family comes first. He's probably not fully understanding how important this achievement is to you and is really only thinking of missing out on fun with the GF.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 22, 2016 19:16:43 GMT
Honestly, no.
I didn't even want to go to my *own* graduation. I wouldn't make anyone else go.
I just don't "get" graduation ceremonies.
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Post by peaname on Apr 22, 2016 19:26:11 GMT
Yes I would. Girlfriends come and go but family is there for life. He could spend the other half of the day with his girlfriend or celebrate with her the day before.
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Post by anxiousmom on Apr 22, 2016 19:27:45 GMT
I think I am going to fall into the camp of this is one of those things that I wouldn't ask about, but rather tell with the intention that it is a done deal. I don't do it often, but sometimes there are nonnegotiable times with family that are what I call the command performances that can't be opted out of. A lot of times they aren't fun. Who wants to go to your step-father's brother's funeral when you have only met him a handful of times? And wear a suit and tie? In Florida in the summer time? No one really, but you aren't going because it is going to be the most fun ever, but rather because you support the person you love.
I won't say that she is *just* a girlfriend-my son has one of two years and she is anything but *just* a girlfriend-but family trumps all. If it is a long term girlfriend, invite her attend as well, or invite her to join the celebration dinner later, but for something that is a big deal for you then he needs to be there.
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Post by Tamhugh on Apr 22, 2016 19:58:06 GMT
My kid would be going and I would invite the girlfriend or tell him to make plans with her later in the day. Graduations are boring, but how much boring crap have you sat through for him over the years?
Honestly, my answer also comes from personal experience. I was dating now DH in college. A week after we graduated, my now MIL received her masters. FIL, DH and I went to the ceremony. Her other two sons and her DIL did not. To this day, almost 30 years later, she talks about how much it means to her that DH and I were there (and I was just a girlfriend at that time) and how much it hurt her than no one else made her feel like it was important. I have sat through high school, college, and masters ceremonies for every family member I have been invited to since. Because really, if a few hours of boredom can mean that much, then I can suck it up for the people I love.
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Post by J u l e e on Apr 22, 2016 20:14:27 GMT
Congratulations on a wonderful accomplishment! Well done!
It is well understood in our family that we do things for each other - sometimes things that aren't the most exciting or meaningful to us, especially if we've been asked by a person who considers it important to them. We do for each other. We consider each other. And when what two of us consider important conflicts there is honest conversation about it. Tell him what you're thinking - what you told us about your feelings and about what you said about him having a rough time. Listen to what he says about the situation. Tell him what you want to happen. Ask him what he's willing to do to make it work. I'm not a big "forcer". I think it's crappy for relationship. Its a pretty big life skill to have to face this stuff and work it out. He'll have situations where he has to choose his whole life. Make him think about it and talk it out with you. This is a great opportunity.
ETA - and he's not always going to make the best decisions, but he'll learn from those too.
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Post by zella on Apr 22, 2016 20:15:48 GMT
First of all, congratulations on your accomplishment.
With that out of the way, I can honestly say I wouldn't expect anyone to sit through a graduation ceremony for me. My family did come when I graduated nursing school, but at least the ceremony didn't last long. It's highly unlikely I'd ever choose to go through a graduation ceremony again. They really are horribly boring ceremonies and I wouldn't expect my kid to sit through one. Your son not going in no way diminishes what you've done.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 22, 2016 21:28:52 GMT
I haven't read the answers yet. Just want to say, to me, you're making a much bigger deal of an adult life event than I would. I didn't even attend my own (undergraduate) graduation. My mom earned a master's degree when I was in high school. I don't know if she attended the ceremony or not, but we kids certainly didn't. I have three younger siblings, all with college degrees and two with graduate degrees. The only one I attended was one sister's law school graduation. I know it's important to you, and I know my family is more casual about these things than some other families are. But to me, this is your thing, not his. He wouldn't "get" anything out of going ... wouldn't likely learn something new, for example, or be inspired to go for his own master's degree. It's for one purpose, to honor your achievement, and there are other ways of doing that without having to sit for four hours in an airless auditorium for a glimpse of you being handed your diploma. I would not insist, I would not attempt to make him feel guilty about his lack of interest, and I would try really hard not to feel hurt about it. But ... congratulations! That really is an achievement.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 22, 2016 21:35:25 GMT
No, but it's ok to acknowledge it makes you feel bad. I had the same thing happen with DD. It really, really hurt my feelings, too. I agree, I wouldn't force him to go, but I would let him know that it hurts my feelings.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 22, 2016 21:35:50 GMT
I would not force him. it sounds just like my boring college graduation. I can see why you might be hurt, but high school boys can be a bit more self centered. Can you all go out to dinner afterwards and celebrate your accomplishment closer to home in a much less boring situation? We had planned on doing dinner afterward. I could allow him to go for the afternoon but make it required that he go to dinner with us following the graduation, as long as we come back to town before dinner. This might be a good compromise. I love this compromise. That's my idea of allowing him to honor your achievement in a different way. Letting you buy his dinner. LOL I'm also reading the responses now and seeing that I'm very much in the minority. Oh well. I love my family and we are close, but I guess none of us love graduations.
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Post by Sarah*H on Apr 22, 2016 21:52:17 GMT
No, I would not force him to go. I never even wanted to go any of my own graduation ceremonies - I think they are tortuous - and only gave in in each case because it meant so much to my parents. My dad also has multiple post graduate degrees and I've only been to one of his ceremonies.
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Post by scrapngranny on Apr 22, 2016 22:19:08 GMT
Congratulations on your accomplishment!! You set a great example for your children, education is very important and you are never too old to work for what you want.
I would not force your son to attend the ceremony. My 18 year old grandson doesn't want to attend his own graduation, he will because it is a school requirement. Boys at that age just don't get it. If he and his girlfriend could a post graduation dinner or celebration that would be the best solution. He could actually spend time with you not sitting in a seat and watching 300 or more people he doesn't know get a piece of paper.
Things haven't been easy for him the few months, he doesn't need the guilt. Enjoy your special day.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 22:44:57 GMT
I guess I'm the odd man out because I love graduations. I can't speak for your family, but it would be a "required family event" in mine. My college graduation day was one of the best days of my life -- I loved every minute of it. I'm going to my son's HS graduation and my daughter's college graduation this year, and I'm so excited about it.
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Post by Country Ham on Apr 22, 2016 22:58:02 GMT
I think I am going to fall into the camp of this is one of those things that I wouldn't ask about, but rather tell with the intention that it is a done deal. I don't do it often, but sometimes there are nonnegotiable times with family that are what I call the command performances that can't be opted out of. A lot of times they aren't fun. Who wants to go to your step-father's brother's funeral when you have only met him a handful of times? And wear a suit and tie? In Florida in the summer time? No one really, but you aren't going because it is going to be the most fun ever, but rather because you support the person you love. I won't say that she is *just* a girlfriend-my son has one of two years and she is anything but *just* a girlfriend-but family trumps all. If it is a long term girlfriend, invite her attend as well, or invite her to join the celebration dinner later, but for something that is a big deal for you then he needs to be there. Thank you for saying that. People who have said girlfriends come and go. Sure some do sure, but take a look at your spouse and remember at one time they were "just" the girlfriend/boyfriend. Very significant people in our lives. Any chance the girlfriend can come with him especially for the dinner afterwards? I think of boyfriends/girlfriends as a teens plus one. They can spend the day together and hopefully be able to get a bit of time to celebrate her birthday. ETA: This isn't a signicant birthday like turning 16 is it? I wasn't sure how old these teens were.
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Post by Why on Apr 22, 2016 23:06:27 GMT
Honestly, no. I didn't even want to go to my *own* graduation. I wouldn't make anyone else go. I just don't "get" graduation ceremonies. That!!! A thousand times THAT!!!
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Post by christine58 on Apr 22, 2016 23:30:20 GMT
I was done with my master's in August...I could not walk in May...had to wait till the following May. So I didn't walk (wasn't going to either way actually). Undergrad was more important to me
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Post by jeremysgirl on Apr 22, 2016 23:36:16 GMT
Well, I told him how I feel. Told him I would like him there. I told him I was not going to force him to go but that I feel it's important and I would like him to be there to celebrate with me. Offered to allow him to spend all day Saturday with her and that she could come to dinner with us, if she'd like. He said he would take some time and think about it. He said she is grounded right now so this may all be a moot point. I told him that dinner was not optional, though. He is required to have dinner with all of us.
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 22, 2016 23:41:28 GMT
Well, I told him how I feel. Told him I would like him there. I told him I was not going to force him to go but that I feel it's important and I would like him to be there to celebrate with me. Offered to allow him to spend all day Saturday with her and that she could come to dinner with us, if she'd like. He said he would take some time and think about it. He said she is grounded right now so this may all be a moot point. I told him that dinner was not optional, though. He is required to have dinner with all of us. Maybe her parents will fix this for you.
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 22, 2016 23:45:30 GMT
Honestly, no. I didn't even want to go to my *own* graduation. I wouldn't make anyone else go. I just don't "get" graduation ceremonies. That!!! A thousand times THAT!!! Colleges (and companies like Josten's) make good money on graduations. college.usatoday.com/2015/03/30/voices-what-do-your-graduation-fees-actually-pay-for/I looked it up since I wondered where my fee went. It was expensive to rent the hat and gown for my college degree. I didn't walk for my master's. I worked my butt off and decided to buy myself a nice leather jacket instead of pay that fee. I still have the jacket from 1990. Ha!
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Post by bellemagic on Apr 23, 2016 0:10:26 GMT
Congrats! I hope he decides to go...I wouldn't force him. Hopefully he will realize how important this is to you. I think it is fantastic that you want him to be included in this major life event . It is hard when we have an event that is important to us and the people we care about can not make it either by choice or because of life circumstances. My father got married and decided it was too expensive for his children to come to the wedding! Can you imagine being 11 years old and not be included in your parents wedding!!! 30 plus years later it still stings a little. ETA: I just read your update and I am glad you told him how you feel! You are letting him know that he is an important part of this family and you want him to be included in family events..even if he doesn't want to participate! LOL! It is a great gift to show someone how much their presence means to us!
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