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Post by Alexxussss on Apr 22, 2016 23:35:19 GMT
My husband and I want to adopt domestically (newborn girl). We would love advice as to where to begin...an adoption agency? Adoption lawyer? How do we find a place/person we can trust? It is nearly impossible to find any 'reviews'. We do not know anyone who has adopted except 20+ years ago, so are unsure of where to turn. I know laws vary from state to state, but would appreciate any advice the peas have to offer. Thank you very much!
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melissa
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Post by melissa on Apr 23, 2016 0:00:19 GMT
First start with your plans.
You want a domestic adoption of a girl. Just as when you get pregnant spontaneously, picking the gender is not something, well, that is offered generally. And, frankly, it's often looked well upon.
Everyone I know who has adopted has gone through an adoption agency. You can work with an agency in your state or out of state. I know people who have done both, especially the latter in order to help take advantage of various state laws that allow for earlier termination of biological parental rights. An agency will help you through the process of the necessary steps such as home inspections and attorneys.
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Post by christine58 on Apr 23, 2016 0:01:46 GMT
You want a domestic adoption of a girl. Just as when you get pregnant spontaneously, picking the gender is not something, well, that is offered generally. And, frankly, it's often looked well upon. Did you mean "not looked well upon"?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 0:14:21 GMT
Find an adoption agency. There are several things to consider.
Does the agency serve only your state? Or is it networked through many states. This affects whether you will get matched with someone locally, or if you may have to travel across state lines, which requires more paperwork and more logistics, but places more "distance" between you and the birth mom, if that is important to you.
Do you want an open or closed adoption? Find out what those things mean because they're not what the general public thinks they mean. Legally, if you know identifying information about each other, it's an open adoption, even if you never speak to each other after the birth. Closed means it's anonymous, and you couldn't look each other up, even if you wanted to. Within those two extremes, there is a spectrum of contact. Figure out what you are comfortable with. Read some books and try to talk to other adoptive parents. There are pros and cons to both. Then find an agency that facilitates those types of adoptions. Most adoption specialists and psychologists advocate for open adoption with some contact. Some agencies require it unless the birth mom refuses, others just recommend it. If you're religious, you may see if there is a faith-based agency in your area. Make sure whatever agency you choose does not charge the birth mom anything, and is licensed by your state. I also recommend you choose an agency that provides the birth mom with her OWN caseworker, not a shared one.
Once you choose an agency, you'll apply, which generally includes a bunch of paperwork about you and why you want to adopt. If you're accepted to their program, you'll go through the homestudy process. The agency will have its requirements, and your state will have requirements too, that the agency will facilitate. You'll need to be fingerprinted, get a physical, undergo a credit check, complete a personality profile, provide references, answer questions, check your criminal history, check your CPS history, etc. They'll come visit your home to make sure it's safe and sanitary and meets legal requirements, such as having a pool fenced. Your state may also require adoption education classes. Your caseworker will submit a report, and send it to the court, where you will be certified (if required in your state).
Then you complete your child desired form. On it you'll go through like age, gender, race, mother's drug history, mother's mental health history, mother's physical health history, circumstances of conception, desired level of contact, etc and answer what you'll be open to and what you're not open to.
The agency will show prospective birth moms the profiles that match what she's looking for and if she chooses you, she'll have a match meeting and then it goes from there between you and her and the agency if she chooses you. Adoptions are finalized after birth, in a courtroom, and how long thereafter varies by state.
Your adoption agency will handle the legal documents, filings, attorney for the finalization, etc.
Hope that helps!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 0:16:50 GMT
In my experience (an adoptive mom and in the match book now for a second child), it's not frowned upon to prefer a gender, or a race, or a health condition, etc. Caseworkers understand that not every situation is for every family and it doesn't help the child to force a square peg into a round hole. You will, obviously, get fewer matches that way though. And you won't get matched with anyone who doesn't know the gender of their baby.
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Post by melissa on Apr 23, 2016 0:16:54 GMT
Think about it. You show up at agency saying "we want to adopt a newborn baby girl," instead of saying "we want to adopt a newborn." Is an agency going to want to try to set you up with a mother who does not know the gender? Gender testing is not always accurate. Does this mean you will not go through with the adoption if it turns out to be a boy? Does this mean they cannot match you with a mother until the baby is born? There's time, money and emotions involved. No one wants to waste any of those things.
So, the preference is to work with people seeking to adopt a baby. Period. Not a specific gender, hair color, eye color, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 0:18:44 GMT
With all due respect, Melissa, neither I nor anyone I know who has adopted has worked with an agency that thinks that way. I credit that you're experience may be different but that's not what we have experienced at all.
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Post by melissa on Apr 23, 2016 0:18:47 GMT
Jen answered in a much better manner than I did.
And my experience is limited to the handful of caseworkers I know. Small sample.
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Post by christine58 on Apr 23, 2016 0:19:31 GMT
In my experience (an adoptive mom and in the match book now for a second child), it's not frowned upon to prefer a gender, or a race, or a health condition, etc. Caseworkers understand that not every situation is for every family and it doesn't help the child to force a square peg into a round hole. You will, obviously, get fewer matches that way though. And you won't get matched with anyone who doesn't know the gender of their baby. How are things progressing for you @missjen??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 0:35:02 GMT
In my experience (an adoptive mom and in the match book now for a second child), it's not frowned upon to prefer a gender, or a race, or a health condition, etc. Caseworkers understand that not every situation is for every family and it doesn't help the child to force a square peg into a round hole. You will, obviously, get fewer matches that way though. And you won't get matched with anyone who doesn't know the gender of their baby. How are things progressing for you @missjen ?? We're just waiting. Our agency said their wait time is an average of a year. We're at 10 months. Thanks for asking!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 0:40:14 GMT
Jen answered in a much better manner than I did. And my experience is limited to the handful of caseworkers I know. Small sample. I do agree that the more specific your requirements, the harder you will be to match. And I also agree that if your requirements are super demanding and absurd, your caseworker will probably roll her eyes at you. But on the flip side, they also know that every match is not for every situation, and forcing a match that isn't well suited, isn't going to benefit the child.
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Post by Alexxussss on Apr 23, 2016 17:31:40 GMT
Thank you for all of your replies, especially Miss Jen! We have been through home studies, inspections, paper, etc., as we are fost-to-adopt parents. Unfortunately we have had very negative experiences and our hearts have been broken several times. I know traditional adoption also is bumpy road with no guarantees, but after everything else we've tried for the past 6 years it is our last option.
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Post by RosieKat on Apr 23, 2016 18:53:23 GMT
We worked with an agency, and actually for our adoptions, you could specify almost anything *except* gender. I'm guessing that depends on the agency and perhaps the state.
I would say that the most important thing procedurally is to figure out how the laws in your state work, whether you work with an attorney or an agency. For example, in Texas, if you work through an agency and follow the strict protocols, then once the adoption is finalized it can't be contested. Not all states are like that, and even in Texas, that only applies to licensed agencies. So it's important to know what you're working with. If you decide to work with an agency (which is my recommendation if you choose to pursue private adoption as opposed to the foster system you've been working with), be cognizant of where they work. Because of each state's rules being different, an agency that has "satellite" offices in your state may not follow your state's rules but the rules of where their home office is located. For example, our daughter was born in NC and we are in TX - our agency has offices in both states, and the adoption followed TX law, not NC. It's just an important thing to be clear about.
As far as choosing who to work with, well, it's kind of like the process you'd follow for anyone doing something very important. How long have they been around, do you know others who have worked with them, can you get recommendations? How do the people seem to you? What arrangements do they have with biological moms/parents? (You'll see all kinds of things ranging from just taking care of basic medical bills to places with full dorms and GED programs.) What are their statistics? Do they expect you to do advertising? What are their fees, and what do they include?
I'll also second what Miss Jen said about understanding open/closed in adoption. A lot of people have misconceptions about what this really means, so ask any agency you're considering how that works. I'm guessing here, but it seems like the most common adoptions of newborns involve a semi-open scenario, where there is some level of relationship but it's a degree removed - like first name basis only, any subsequent meetings or correspondence sent through or at a neutral location, etc.
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Post by RosieKat on Apr 23, 2016 18:54:25 GMT
If you're willing to share your state, you may be able to get some suggestions for agencies to consider here.
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Post by AnotherPea on Apr 23, 2016 19:52:27 GMT
I know several adoptive parents and their stories are all radically different. One couple waited for years. Many went international.
One couple had an amazing story. Adopted son was in gymnastics with my dd. His mother was surrounded by mothers of daughters. She said in June that she thought she might like a daughter someday. We carry on about how awesome girls are. She says she's going to do it- she's going to have a girl.
At the Christmas party she walks in with a newborn girl. Said that it was EASY to get your pick. What??? I'm convinced she bought that baby somehow. She said she just called up the agency she used for her soms's adoption and there was a baby a few months later. She recommended Texas, if that helps. Sounded fishy to me. Hers was an open adoption.
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Post by Alexxussss on Apr 27, 2016 2:15:17 GMT
Thanks again for your advice! We are in NJ if anyone has any agency recommendations or places to steer clear of.
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Post by tara on Apr 27, 2016 5:27:06 GMT
I can't help you because we adopted through the foster system, but I just wanted to wish you luck and hope you get your baby soon. We adopted 3 and they have been such a blessing. Sometimes I forget they didn't come from me.
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Post by anniebeth24 on Apr 27, 2016 12:49:27 GMT
We've adopted two as infants domestically. I would recommend that you explore and interview a few different agencies and a few different attorneys. This will give you a good sense of who is being straightforward and who is trying to sell you something. It's big business, so approach it with caution and as much logic as you can muster in such an emotional situation. Something will feel right about one of them.
I also want to caution you about being gender-specific in your search. While I understand MissJen's "square peg, round hole" analogy, remember that you are cutting your chances of welcoming a child in half. If you were trying to conceive the old-fashioned way, you wouldn't get that choice. In addition, a birth mom might feel like you're already holding the child up to a standard that you envision instead of accepting them freely. Birth parents want and deserve to feel confident that their child will be accepted no matter what.
Please know that I'm not trying to bash you, I truly know how hard this all is. Just throwing out some things to ponder. Please keep us updated as things move forward!
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Post by Alexxussss on Apr 28, 2016 2:08:46 GMT
Thank you for all the advice and well- wishes! ❤️
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