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Post by Chips on Apr 25, 2016 16:54:01 GMT
So, neither of my two sons have ever been written up at school.
Today my son's 5th grade teacher emailed me about him being written up last week. It said " just wanted to let you know that 'my son' got a write up last week during lunch because he cried in response to being asked to pick up a Ziploc. These write ups are used for documentation just to see if there's a pattern. "
Seriously, does that deserve a write up? I can not even believe this is a write up issue. I emailed her back thanking her for the email and that I want a copy of the write up. My son has been busy with school, scouts and sports, was probably overly tired and attempted to explain it was not his Ziploc and I am guessing the lunch monitor just wanted him to pick it up.
Is this normal? I am just stunned and any suggestions, am I out of whack here?
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Post by littlemama on Apr 25, 2016 16:55:41 GMT
If they are just keeping track to see if there is a pattern, I wouldn't worry about it. It's not like there was disciplinary action as a result. I would wonder why he was crying over picking up a bag however.
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Post by debmast on Apr 25, 2016 16:56:30 GMT
I'd want to know what "pattern" they are looking for. Him not doing what is asked? Or him crying?
Honestly, I wouldn't sweat one write up. But I would want to know what they are referencing in way of pattern.
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 25, 2016 17:08:47 GMT
I wouldn't make a big deal about it with the school. I would talk to DS about why he responded with tears to a pretty simple request and rethink a schedule that is leaving him so overtired and in tears halfway through the day.
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Post by Frazzled Mom on Apr 25, 2016 17:13:10 GMT
I'll go out on a limb and say that as an adult who's done lunch/playground management, it would be very unusual to have a 5th grader cry when asked to pick up a piece of trash and that it probably sent up a red flag for the adult who made the request.
Maybe the adult was concerned there's something else going on with your son - some stress or issue that people should be aware of. I wouldn't worry about it. It could just mean that the adults are concerned about the kids and a "write up" is the best way for the dozens of adults who care for children at a school to communicate.
We had issues at the elementary school where a child would suddenly react differently to things and after investigating, we'd find out the family was losing their home or had just experienced a death of a grandparent. There are a million stories on every school yard...
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Post by myshelly on Apr 25, 2016 17:14:59 GMT
I can see this being a write up - Talking back, throwing s fit when asked to do a simple task, arguing with an adult
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Post by psiluvu on Apr 25, 2016 18:11:37 GMT
He's in grade 5 why wouldn't he just pick it up instead of crying? That is odd so it sounds like they are documenting to see if a pattern of crying emerges or continues.
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Post by lorieann13 on Apr 25, 2016 18:24:51 GMT
I would use this as an opportunity to talk to your son and see if he is being pulled in too many directions and stressed. It seems like he may have too much on his plate.
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Post by missmiss on Apr 25, 2016 18:25:22 GMT
If the school does not document things then the school gets flack because things are not documented. Now the school gets questioned if they do document. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
If there isn't a pattern then there is nothing to worry about.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 25, 2016 19:07:17 GMT
I agree with previous posters. I don't think the incident is a big disciplinary issue, and that's why he was written up. But rather the response is unusual for a 5th grader and they wanted to see if there is a pattern and something more going on.
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Post by Merge on Apr 25, 2016 19:40:31 GMT
I wouldn't worry about it. Fifth grade is almost over, and unless your district is very unusual, those kinds of write ups die with the school year (meaning it won't be on a permanent record of any kind).
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Post by anniefb on Apr 25, 2016 19:42:30 GMT
I would use this as an opportunity to talk to your son and see if he is being pulled in too many directions and stressed. It seems like he may have too much on his plate. That ^^
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 19:48:10 GMT
I agree with both sides. I would want to see what the write-up says as a first step. On the flip side, it is out of sorts for a 5th grader to cry about picking something up. Then again it is testing time in public schools which stresses everybody out.
I wouldn't say anything to administration unless there was something completely over the top on the official write-up. If there is not, just tell your DS that things happen, people over-react and it is time to drop it and move on.
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Post by anonrefugee on Apr 25, 2016 19:50:30 GMT
I love the above comments that explain a write-up in this case isn't necessarily a negative action. It appears at your school it is more of a notification regarding atypical behavior, or response.
Maybe your school should consider renaming the report! They've got some caring people watching your child.
I would want to know if my kid cried over a Baggie.
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Post by Chips on Apr 25, 2016 21:36:25 GMT
I thought the whole thing was just bizarre. He has never been written up before and for this to be his first one just surprised me.
I picked up a copy of the write up and then talked to my son after school about it. He said - the ziploc had slimey peaches in it and he did let the lunch monitor know it was not his. He mentioned he was crying (not full blown but sad face) and the monitor came back shouted for him to pick it up and he teared up again. Then she asked why are you crying and walked away.
Someone mentioned the testing and I completely forgot he was doing the PARC tests that day so he did say he was tired and we agreed on him getting to bed earier at night.
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Post by AnotherPea on Apr 25, 2016 22:02:55 GMT
This and the other thread about grading show why it is so hard to keep teachers in today's society. We get a thread asking about a referral - was it justified in this case. Not "do you think my kid is over-reacting by crying when he was asked to pick up trash?"
On the other thread the student must be getting a lower grade than his peers because the teacher doesn't like it when he corrects her mistakes.
Seriously?
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Post by anonrefugee on Apr 25, 2016 22:05:44 GMT
Poor guy! Testing makes the schools like pressure cookers for teachers and students.... Sorry @chips, shouting and then walking away doesn't sound very helpful after all
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Post by buggirl47 on Apr 25, 2016 22:10:43 GMT
okay my son would cry if a teacher asked him to do something and if he said it isn't mine and she even got stern with him or raised her voice like "I told you to do it" instead of can you just please do it and I know it isn't yours. maybe he felt she was attacking him at first thinking it was his. without knowing the full details of the conversation, one wouldn't know right. I have one son who is sensitive and does well and doesn't like confrontation or feeling he disappointed someone by litering so a teacher asking him almost he would take it as assumption he littered. kwim?
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 25, 2016 22:41:46 GMT
I truly would not worry about this. Yes, it is unusual for a ten year old to cry about something like this, but it happens. Who knows what was going through his mind. Some kids have a huge aversion to other people's trash. I have seen kids cry over stuff like this and there was absolutely nothing wrong with the child or his life. I spent 28 years asking kids to help clean up things that weren't always theirs. Once in a while, a child had a negative reaction. Most fifth grade boys might act tough, but they are still generally very soft and sweet on the inside and you can catch them on an off day just like most of us. If you think things are fine in his life and he says they are, let it go and know that you could possibly be laughing about this in a few months.
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Post by katybee on Apr 25, 2016 23:09:48 GMT
What exactly does "cry" mean? Did he shed a few tears, or did he talk back and throw a fit? Writing kids up is a pain in the butt. I don't do it unless it is truly warranted. I would trust that the monitors or teacher or whomever wrote him up had a good reason.
Refusing to pick up a piece of trash--even if it wasn't his-- is disrespectful and defiant. Of course I don't know exactly what happened--but I would imagine it went something like this:
Lunch monitor: Please pick up the bag on the floor. Student: it's not mine. LM: I didn't ask if it was yours... I asked you to pick it up.
I can't imagine that he started crying on the first request. I would imagine that it escalated from there.
I don't mean to be harsh--and I don't mean to pick on you--but in general, I'm SO tired of parents making excuses for bad behavior instead of backing up the teacher. We have a TOUGH job--and we cannot waste our time arguing over insignificant things. If she asked him to pick up the trash--whether it was his or not--he should have just been a good helper and done it. And even if he was tired or stressed, he needs to find a way to deal without being disrespectful to others.
I know my views might not be popular-- but unless there is a history of unfair behavior towards your son, please give the teacher the benefit of the doubt and show your son that you will expect better behavior in the future.
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Post by anonrefugee on Apr 25, 2016 23:10:02 GMT
This and the other thread about grading show why it is so hard to keep teachers in today's society. We get a thread asking about a referral - was it justified in this case. Not "do you think my kid is over-reacting by crying when he was asked to pick up trash?" On the other thread the student must be getting a lower grade than his peers because the teacher doesn't like it when he corrects her mistakes. Seriously? Sorry Jennifer, teachers can't catch a break. I don't think Miss @chips was bashing anyone here. But thank you again, teachers and school staff, for all you do!!!
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Post by melanell on Apr 26, 2016 0:44:20 GMT
I think they probably just want to make sure he's okay. His reaction didn't seem to fit the situation, which can be, as you said, just a result of an overwhelming schedule or time frame in a kid's life. But if it keeps happening, then it could be a sign of something more. If they write it up, they won't be playing the guessing game later (if the same type of behavior continued) of "When did this last happen, again?" or "How many times has this been, now?" I would see it as a good thing. Our kids are in school large chunks of time, and the staff and volunteers there can sometimes spot something new going on with our kids before we do. It sounds like this could very well be just a one-time thing, and nothing will ever come of the write-up, but in some situations this could be a way for the school to show parents that a child may be having a problem or issue in a very fact-based, precise way.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Apr 27, 2016 17:38:52 GMT
I guess it depends on what a "write up" means at your school.
At my daughter's school only very serious issues are written up and if you have 3 or more it can effect your standings and you might not be able to go on a field trip or play sports.
At the last school I worked at we were encouraged to write up EVERYTHING. so that the counselor could see if there is a pattern or an issue cropping up.
At my daughters school write ups are kept in the file for a full calendar year.
I see nothing that says your son was rude or disrespectful. Sounds like he was reluctant... but that seems age appropriate.
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