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Post by jassy on Apr 26, 2016 12:54:08 GMT
My husband's cousin just gave birth last weekend. She's 44 years old, and had her tubes tied 4 years ago!! Their other children are 17, 15 and 8. Lordy Lordy! Healthy DETERMINED beautiful girl - I mean "old eggs" and a tubal? Crazy.
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Post by scrapsotime on Apr 26, 2016 13:24:43 GMT
My paternal Grandmother had 6 kids. 5 boys, 1 girl. My maternal Grandmother had 8 kids, 6 boys and 2 girls. How did our Grandparents raise all those kids w/o Go Fund Me in the 1930's and 1940's? How did our Grandparents raise all those kids w/o help from the government? Well, my grandfather took my mother and her siblings to beg on the streets.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 26, 2016 14:06:33 GMT
That happened to my mom's cousin.
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Post by raindancer on Apr 26, 2016 14:28:49 GMT
I thought crazy story! Right up to the "go fund me" part.
She doesn't work. Ok. Childcare is expensive, I get it. Ok. Someone needs to work something out to bring in extra income. Pizza delivery on weekends? Something. I don't care what it is, or why you have 6 kids. You need to provide for your family without begging. There are millions of people who do this every day and they figure it out without asking for money from strangers.
If they need assistance they can apply for WIC or SNAP, they can use public transportation or save up to buy a larger van, etc. I'm not privy to their financial situation, but I'm sure there are things that they can cut back on.
I just don't know how to feel bad for families where one parent chooses to not work in any capacity bringing in an income and then they ask for a handout. If they both worked, and were still struggling, as a family member or good friend I would try to assist them in someway.
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Post by izzyscraps on Apr 26, 2016 15:47:12 GMT
Wow. The Peas jumped on this one fast.
I have 3 kids. It's hard these days to provide for the kids you did plan to have let alone for the ones you didn't.
They took measures to not have any more children and instead, against odds, they have more children.
No big deal they are asking for a little help. You help them or you move on.
And I think it's good she gets to stay home with those children. Daycare is over 100 bucks a weeks where I live. Could you imagine that times 5 kids. It probably wouldn't do her any good to work. She'd be working to pay daycare is all.
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Post by bostonmama on Apr 26, 2016 15:52:52 GMT
Condoms are cheaper than children. Back-up birth control isn't that big of a deal.
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Post by peanuttle on Apr 26, 2016 16:41:31 GMT
OMG! I had to contribute! I can't imagine the surprise/shock.
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Post by Lexica on Apr 26, 2016 16:51:30 GMT
My dad's best friend had 5 daughters in a 2-bedroom, 1-bathroom very small house. The father was a policeman and the mother was a stay-at-home mom , never working outside the home her entire life. The girls had a triple bunk and a double bunk in the second little bedroom. There was no room for anything other than those beds. The room was so small, they could lay in bed and reach out and touch hands with the girls in the opposite bunks. They went to Catholic school, so they wore uniforms, cutting down on the volume of clothing they needed. The clothing they had other than their uniforms was shared between them and it was all kept in the little bedroom closet, except for one drawer in the hallway cupboard that held undies.
The girls all got along extremely well. We took a family vacation with their family every year. They did everything together. The girls were all in sports and everybody came to everybody's games. They were such a loving family. My parents had divorced and the three of us (all girls) never did get along, even from early childhood. I wanted so badly to be in a family like theirs where there was so much love and affection.
As the girls married and had children, they still did things together all the time, continuing to have family vacations together. The parents have passed away and the original 5 daughters are all grandparents now, and they still make an effort to have vacations together as often as possible.
So a family this incredibly close, raised in a tiny 2-bedroom, 1 bath home, turned out better than any other family I know. And the family of boys has 3 bedrooms PLUS 3 bathrooms, AND they have a dining room that could be turned into another bedroom if they wanted to. They could probably turn two bedrooms into one big bedroom with 3 bunk beds for the boys. And boys can certainly share clothing! Jeans and t-shirts and sneakers for all.
I didn't watch the whole video on the GFM page, but the bit I watched showed very well mannered, if high energy, little boys. I didn't see any hitting going on, and if they entertained themselves on that carpet for the whole video, they can make it in their existing house just fine. They just need to live within their means and make do with the house they are fortunate enough to have.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Apr 26, 2016 17:09:32 GMT
I actually feel sorry for them and happy for them at the same time. Unplanned pregnancies are sometimes hard to come to terms with. I know I would not like an unplanned pregnancy. Yet, all babies are a blessing too. And clearly this is a situation where this baby has to be a blessing to come after two rounds of permanent birth control. But with that said, I disagree with the go fund me campaign. This is one of those times when it is time to get a second job, whether it be the father or the mother, something has got to give. You need to provide for the children you bring into this world.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 17:14:37 GMT
And I think it's good she gets to stay home with those children. Daycare is over 100 bucks a weeks where I live. Could you imagine that times 5 kids. It probably wouldn't do her any good to work. She'd be working to pay daycare is all. There are many options for her to get a job that don't require daycare. Many of us have done it. One being, you work when the other spouse is home. I know I would love to stay home, but the reality is we need income to provide for our family. And I don't expect others to provide my family's livelihood. And from her GoFundMe page: These are not NEEDED items. These are wants, plain and simple. Yeah, I'm sure it would be a relief to have others buy you a car! lol
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Post by izzyscraps on Apr 26, 2016 17:16:39 GMT
You don't have to provide their livelihood. You don't have to provide anything. Just cuz they ask doesn't mean you have to do anything. I'm just saying I can see why they asked. If I had any money, I would help her out.
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Post by RosieKat on Apr 26, 2016 17:31:39 GMT
I just don't know how to feel bad for families where one parent chooses to not work in any capacity bringing in an income and then they ask for a handout. If they both worked, and were still struggling, as a family member or good friend I would try to assist them in someway. Yeah, I think that's pretty much where I fall on it. Exhaust all your other options first. That having been said, I can only imagine how hard it would be to have one unplanned child period, let alone 2 unplanned (heck, planned against!) children on top of an already large family. Yes, it would be a huge financial and emotional impact. My funny coincidence is that DD was a post-vasectomy baby, and so was her best friend! Guess they were both meant to be and to find each other, lol!
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Post by shanni on Apr 26, 2016 17:36:52 GMT
Are all these stories about oops babies scaring the pants off anyone else? (Or rather, making me cross my legs super tight??) I'm 40. My baby turns 10 this week. Oldest is only a couple years away from college. DH had a vasectomy about 6 years ago. He went to all his checks, but there weren't as many as I thought there would be. I cannot imagine starting over at this point. *shudder*
And all of you saying that it's not that hard to double up on BC... Would you? Do you? Since DH got the all clear from his Dr, we haven't. I didn't see the need to! What's the point of a tubal or vasectomy if you are going to keep using other methods anyway?
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 26, 2016 17:52:53 GMT
I'm curious about the size of the house and bedrooms. It didn't look like there was a dedicated dining room that could be converted to a bedroom, more like an eat in kitchen. I admit to being jealous they already have 3 bathrooms! It seems if they have one decent sized bedroom, they can put 4 kids in one. A baby in the second and the newborn with mom and dad. Then as they get older, the two older kids share a room.
Another thing that would work is giving up the master bedroom to 4 of the kids. There's usually more closet space. It's usually the largest and most of the boy pee misses wouldn't be seen by others if there's a master bathroom.
It's also so easy with boys and hand me downs! Jeans and t-shirts. That is if the jeans survive 1 boy! I have a friend who has had 6 boys and 1 girl (one boy passed away). She has five boys sharing a Jack and Jill bathroom. I'm not sure what she's doing with the girl.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Apr 26, 2016 18:01:24 GMT
Are all these stories about oops babies scaring the pants off anyone else? (Or rather, making me cross my legs super tight??) I'm 40. My baby turns 10 this week. Oldest is only a couple years away from college. DH had a vasectomy about 6 years ago. He went to all his checks, but there weren't as many as I thought there would be. I cannot imagine starting over at this point. *shudder* And all of you saying that it's not that hard to double up on BC... Would you? Do you? Since DH got the all clear from his Dr, we haven't. I didn't see the need to! What's the point of a tubal or vasectomy if you are going to keep using other methods anyway? Yes, it scares me a little. I have PCOS and my DH is on synthetic testosterone. So the chances of me getting pregnant are slim to none. I haven't used birth control now in about four years. But I'm sure we would find a way to survive.
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Post by lovinlife on Apr 26, 2016 18:12:40 GMT
I have 3 dd's and was told not to get pregnant again due to complications from a massive hemorrhage and miscarriage in 2014. I've heard stories like this and was terrified. I have an awesome Dr who did an ablation and removed my tubes 2 months ago. He said we weren't taking any chances on another pregnancy. I hope things work out for them.
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Post by melanell on Apr 26, 2016 18:15:06 GMT
Condoms are cheaper than children. Back-up birth control isn't that big of a deal. I'm fairly certain that the vast amount of people who opt for a tubal do so to avoid having to use back-up birth control.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 18:16:43 GMT
Maybe she did the go-fund-me in hopes of the story spreading. Ellen could have them on and give them a $10,000 Shutterfly check and a new large vehicle.
adding: It would make for great TV. Can't you see it? They would drag all the boys on stage and everyone would love their cute faces. The parents would tell their story and then act surprised when the big check is brought out on stage. If #6 is a girl, Ellen can bring them back on and shower them with all things girly.
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Post by melanell on Apr 26, 2016 18:18:56 GMT
And all of you saying that it's not that hard to double up on BC... Would you? Do you? Since DH got the all clear from his Dr, we haven't. I didn't see the need to! What's the point of a tubal or vasectomy if you are going to keep using other methods anyway?
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 26, 2016 18:21:38 GMT
Condoms are cheaper than children. Back-up birth control isn't that big of a deal. That was my plan for a long time after my husband was "fixed." I was very cautious even after being told the sperm count was nonexistent.
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Post by shevy on Apr 26, 2016 20:29:11 GMT
My paternal Grandmother had 6 kids. 5 boys, 1 girl. My maternal Grandmother had 8 kids, 6 boys and 2 girls. How did our Grandparents raise all those kids w/o Go Fund Me in the 1930's and 1940's? How did our Grandparents raise all those kids w/o help from the government? In combing over many old newspapers from these time periods, some of these people did ask for help, and some were given help, even if there is no proof that they asked for it. Some received help from the local government while others received help from people in their church communities or people who belonged to similar organizations that they did. It is not new for people to request help or for it to be given to them. It's just that now there exists a new way in which to ask. As for my own grandparents, I happen to know for a fact that the town in which one set of my grandparents lived, there were food hand-outs during lean times. Anyone could go receive food from the government on certain days. And I know that they did, at least occasionally, take advantage of that. Of course, there was no need to buy car seats or larger vehicles back then, which seems to be the first priority for this family right now. My grandmothers, parents, aunts & uncles walked everywhere in their day to day lives. My grandfathers had cars which were the one and only car in the family, and in both cases they were the only ones to drive. If they took the family anywhere, they just piled them all in. There were no laws saying that they had to limit the number of passengers or provide special seats for them. This. In my grandparents day, they got help from the church or surrounding neighbors when they needed it. They lived on a farm with a large family and had to pile in one car when the kids were young and 2 cars as they got older.
In this situation, I think the GoFundMe is the same thing as the church and neighbors helping out and if someone wants to go them money, that's their business.
It seems that lately this board is SO caught up with what is wrong and right, what is tacky or not and who to send to Miss Manners. It's a different time than the 50's, 70's or even the 90's. We have other forms of communication and different ideas of what is right/wrong. And at the base of it, you usually have some bride/groom, birthday child, graduating child or other person who just wants to celebrate their major life event.
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Post by bostonmama on Apr 26, 2016 20:35:49 GMT
Condoms are cheaper than children. Back-up birth control isn't that big of a deal. I'm fairly certain that the vast amount of people who opt for a tubal do so to avoid having to use back-up birth control. Why would you want semen in/all over you anyway?!
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Post by rickmer on Apr 26, 2016 20:47:18 GMT
i had a tubal after DS3 (who was a surprise, which sounds nicer than an accident...).
i repeatedly asked my doctor if i could get pregnant again and he said no, unless i had artificial insemination.... which clearly wouldn't happen as a "surprise".
maybe the difference is i had a c-section so he did the tubal ligation while he was in there anyway... maybe that is more thorough method??
as for these folks, they can ask for whatever they want and people can choose to donate or not. no biggie.
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Post by luvnlifelady on Apr 26, 2016 20:57:36 GMT
We have trouble conceiving both kids. We've never used BC and awhile ago DH figured I was too old to get pg. (just turned 50). I was pretty nervous about a surprise baby for awhile.
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Post by luvnlifelady on Apr 26, 2016 20:59:32 GMT
I'm curious about the size of the house and bedrooms. It didn't look like there was a dedicated dining room that could be converted to a bedroom, more like an eat in kitchen. I admit to being jealous they already have 3 bathrooms! It seems if they have one decent sized bedroom, they can put 4 kids in one. A baby in the second and the newborn with mom and dad. Then as they get older, the two older kids share a room. Another thing that would work is giving up the master bedroom to 4 of the kids. There's usually more closet space. It's usually the largest and most of the boy pee misses wouldn't be seen by others if there's a master bathroom. It's also so easy with boys and hand me downs! Jeans and t-shirts. That is if the jeans survive 1 boy! I have a friend who has had 6 boys and 1 girl (one boy passed away). She has five boys sharing a Jack and Jill bathroom. I'm not sure what she's doing with the girl. There were 5 of us kids. We 3 girls shared the master (dad was military and wasn't around much anyway). My 2 brothers then shared a room and mom had one. We did that for 6 years (I was 3-9 at the time). Seemed to work since we also had a big lanai in Hawaii.
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Post by MsKnit on Apr 26, 2016 21:42:38 GMT
My paternal Grandmother had 6 kids. 5 boys, 1 girl. My maternal Grandmother had 8 kids, 6 boys and 2 girls. How did our Grandparents raise all those kids w/o Go Fund Me in the 1930's and 1940's? How did our Grandparents raise all those kids w/o help from the government? There was no issue with multiple kids sharing a room. There were no carseat laws, if they even had a car. Today, people are aghast if a family is still sharing the same bathroom or the kids have to share a bedroom. In our grandmother's days, kids shared the bed.
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Post by MsKnit on Apr 26, 2016 21:44:53 GMT
Condoms are cheaper than children. Back-up birth control isn't that big of a deal. My cousin got pregnant when she was on the pill. He was wearing a condom. All BC can and does fail.
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Post by raindancer on Apr 26, 2016 21:44:58 GMT
Why don't they trade in their van and buy a larger one used for a similar payment. And kids can share rooms. They have bunk beds that stack so you can conserve floor space. I'm more annoyed now that I read the gofund me page.
Good grief.
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Post by melanell on Apr 27, 2016 1:25:03 GMT
Condoms are cheaper than children. Back-up birth control isn't that big of a deal. My cousin got pregnant when she was on the pill. He was wearing a condom. All BC can and does fail. Yeah, the catch phrase about only abstinence being 100% does have a degree of truth to it. Chances may be really, really low with certain forms or combos of birth control, but there's always going to be people who wind up being part of the tiny percentage who get surprised.
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Post by StephDRebel on Apr 27, 2016 1:34:57 GMT
I'm fairly certain that the vast amount of people who opt for a tubal do so to avoid having to use back-up birth control. Why would you want semen in/all over you anyway?! I'd guess it's safe to say that many prefer that over the feeling of a condom and the funk they put on them. At least it's natural.
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