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Post by scrapaddict702 on Apr 28, 2016 18:11:53 GMT
I do find a severe double standard to math ignorance and grammar/spelling mistakes. I'm not sure why it's so pervasive, but there seems to be a phenomena of almost bragging about one's inability to complete simple math problems, but the judgey pants sure come out over spelling mistakes! That's an excellent point. It seems to be a badge of honor among women especially to be coy about poor math skills. We aren't doing ourselves any favors with that. I was recommended by a teacher to go into AP Calc in high school. I didn't take Pre-Calc but was one of the top marks in my Alg II/Trig H class and didn't even need the credit but I took the course because I LOVE math (did not get college credit because I started my first ever relationship and wasn't really focused in the class...thankfully I ended up marrying the guy so I can say it was worth it). I even signed up to be an accounting major in college because I wanted to play with numbers...you don't take FIN basics classes until you get accepted into your major and when I realized that accounting is bookkeeping and NOT math, I was bummed. As soon as my first day in in my first finance course as an upperclassman concluded, I immediately switched my major. Can that be the opposite of bragging about poor math skills? My dad always told me that I needed to focus more efforts in science (ugh, bane of my existence) because not very women excel in both...it was never about how good I was with math, though. My brain is rusty and I have serious mommy brain so refresher courses are necessary for a lot of things, but I pick it up quickly again once I reacquaint myself. I LOVE math and it confuses people because apparently that's not common.
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Post by zztop11 on Apr 28, 2016 18:38:38 GMT
Ok. So here is one that bugs me the most. When a man or woman says "We're pregnant". Unless she is speaking about someone else being pregnant besides herself, it is wrong. There is no "we" in pregnant. After the deed is done, she is pregnant. Not him!!! Vent over
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Post by scrappyesq on Apr 28, 2016 19:19:35 GMT
Full disclosure:
I'm neurotic about it and this morning DH sent me a text that began:
"I know your busy but...."
His texts never ever have the proper form. Makes me want to scream.
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Post by scrappyesq on Apr 28, 2016 19:23:41 GMT
Wow, I thought it was just me with the phonetic misspellings. I've noticed I do it a lot in the last few years. I usually catch myself with no/know and are/our. This did not happen 5-10 years ago. I'm 51 this year.
Man, it started in my 40's, as neurotic as I am I've been catching myself the last few months typing all kinds of crazy stuff and being mortified afterwards.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Apr 28, 2016 19:36:35 GMT
Ok. So here is one that bugs me the most. When a man or woman says "We're pregnant". Unless she is speaking about someone else being pregnant besides herself, it is wrong. There is no "we" in pregnant. After the deed is done, she is pregnant. Not him!!! Vent over I say this...because I make damn certain that if I'm suffering through it, he's suffering with me by doing all sorts of things (like 2am burger runs) that he wouldn't normally do.
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Post by johnnysmom on Apr 28, 2016 20:21:14 GMT
Grammar and spelling errors drive me crazy somedays. I haven't read all the pages but the one that gets me is "could care less". If you could care less then obviously you still care a little, it's couldn't care less.
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Post by anonrefugee on Apr 28, 2016 21:34:51 GMT
We know the difference - we just don't always proofread our posts. It's all how your brain's wired. I make phonetic typos all the time. They're glaringly obvious when I read them, but when I'm typing fast....my brain goes into some weird phonetic mode. Yesterday I typed know for no - why in the world would my brain type 3 EXTRA letters. It makes absolutely no sense. This. As I said the other day I have trouble with brain fog. Sometimes it's difficult to think of my words, grammar, punctuation. Spelling was never my best subject. Math was. I bet I could solve a math problem faster than you. Also if you don't use some things, you lose them. I've been out of the workforce for awhile. Instead of writing report I now kiss booboos and watch Paw Patrol. I'm very rusty. Also as a mother to five kids, I don't have much time. I have to type fast and don't have time to proofread. I've always been self conscious of these things but a few kind posters made me feel better about it. Made me want to come out of lurking and post more. Now I just want to go back to lurking. Sweet post, please don't lurk. Why is it we find it acceptable to make fun of poor spellers and bad grammar? We wouldn't do that to those bad at math. Not that either is acceptable, but if you think about it over the decades it seems like mean girl behavior, doesn't it? Because, you know- girls weren't supposed to be good at math. Sarcasm from another girl who excelled at math.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Apr 28, 2016 21:37:47 GMT
Grammar is the foundation of language. It is important. If you cannot communicate clearly, it will be harder for you to be successful in many settings.
I don't make fun of people who do not use the English language correctly. That said, I feel basic proofreading, and an honest attempt to write to the best of your ability is the unspoken rule of online forums. Occasional typos (which I make quite a bit on my phone) can be caught by looking over what you wrote. If one still goes through and I see it after I post, I decide whether I need to fix it or not. It's about 50/50 for me. I don't think we have to fix everything in this type of forum, but again, an attempt to be clear is rewarded with respect. Not trying will be met with judgement whether you think it is nice or not.
If you are old enough to participate on this board, you are fluent in the English language, and you do not have any SEVERE learning or physical disabilities, I do think society has the expectation that you use capitalization, periods and have correct usage of the main "commonly confused words." I expect this with my high school students when they communicate with me formally or informally. I am not a stuffy English teacher. I make mistakes, and I expect students to make them too. What I can't stand is apathy.
I suck at math. I really do, so I am going to use a math analogy. Saying you can't figure out their, there and they're is like saying you can't multiply. There are adults who cannot, but they are few and far between if they have average intelligence. Not capitalizing is like saying you can't (or won't) add.
You do you, but don't expect people to take you seriously if you won't even try.
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Post by compeateropeator on Apr 28, 2016 21:55:38 GMT
Yes (because yep certainly doesn't look or sound ignorant) that must be it. And even in my "ignorance," I still can spell... including slang words. Hahaha. I have to say you are good and that is half of the battle. Some days i really wish I was just talking to people here because I am so bad at typing, and using an iPad just compounds it. It is so frustrating because it seems to take me so long to actually post that the thread has double digit pages by time I get my error riddled response out there. Ok maybe that is a slight exaggeration. If we were talking I promise you wouldn't know that I can't type and compose a post at the same time. And I am hoping I wouldn't sound ignorant, but again no promises.
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Post by marianne on Apr 28, 2016 22:07:39 GMT
What I can't stand is apathy. I couldn't agree more with your post, especially this. It's the not caring that gets me.
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Post by compeateropeator on Apr 28, 2016 22:24:45 GMT
What I can't stand is apathy. I couldn't agree more with your post, especially this. It's the not caring that gets me. I don't think it is apathy. It is a realistic expectation for the venue. I always try to improve and hate when I make the errors, but it will not stop me from posting. This is a fun place. A place to come when I have a minute or two. I am not able or willing to proofread and mull over each post as if it is an important piece of literature. As I said before, If people are bothered by my post or can not understand them I truly am not offended if they just pass by them. But I don't not care.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 23:04:15 GMT
I say post away, mistakes and all. I'd rather see people contribute to a post than to shy away for fear of making a grammatical error or typo.
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 28, 2016 23:28:50 GMT
I do find a severe double standard to math ignorance and grammar/spelling mistakes. I'm not sure why it's so pervasive, but there seems to be a phenomena of almost bragging about one's inability to complete simple math problems, but the judgey pants sure come out over spelling mistakes! That's an excellent point. It seems to be a badge of honor among women especially to be coy about poor math skills. We aren't doing ourselves any favors with that. Very true. I am adequate in math, but I love grammar. I suppose it is because we communicate with words and that makes it more evident.
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Post by tara on Apr 29, 2016 0:38:31 GMT
I couldn't agree more with your post, especially this. It's the not caring that gets me. I don't think it is apathy. It is a realistic expectation for the venue. I always try to improve and hate when I make the errors, but it will not stop me from posting. This is a fun place. A place to come when I have a minute or two. I am not able or willing to proofread and mull over each post as if it is an important piece of literature. As I said before, If people are bothered by my post or can not understand them I truly am not offended if they just pass by them. But I don't not care. You said what I wanted to say. This isn't a classroom. Like you, I come here when I have a minute during the day. I speed read so it doesn't take long to read. I can read a thread while I'm waiting for my coffee. It takes a little longer to get my thoughts together and type them out. I really can't be here if I'm going to be graded or have to neglect my responsibility at home. Some of you it comes easy. Some of us it doesn't. Would you rather us not try? And really. Do you really think most grown women don't know the difference between "your" and "you're?" Like I said I speed read so I don't notice a lot of mistakes, but when I do I just think it's a typo or a brain fart.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Apr 29, 2016 1:18:39 GMT
At 51 I still struggle with effect / affect. I usually have to do a quick Google to make sure I'm using the correct one. I'm not apathetic. I learned to read, write and speak Arabic in 48 weeks, so language and grammar are not issues for me either. Belittling others for their spelling and grammar errors is all about feeling superior about your own intelligence.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Apr 29, 2016 3:43:10 GMT
At 51 I still struggle with effect / affect. I usually have to do a quick Google to make sure I'm using the correct one. I'm not apathetic. I learned to read, write and speak Arabic in 48 weeks, so language and grammar are not issues for me either. Belittling others for their spelling and grammar errors is all about feeling superior about your own intelligence. But you check. You're not apathetic. I make a lot of mistakes. If I take a minute or less to read my post before posting, I catch a lot of them, and I try to watch as I go. I still don't catch them all. I know writing is easier for some than others, but just not caring to proofread or edit at all is apathy and inhibits communication. I really don't expect people to spend twenty minutes perfectly crafting every post, but yes, I expect grown adults who want to be understood and respected to spend a minute proofreading before posting. (I really don't care if I see a couple typos, one uncapitalized "I" or a wrong there/their. I'm talking numerous errors, lack of paragraph breaks, little punctuation or multiple hard to read sentences). You have the right to make that choice but not without consequences of frustration for the reader. Yes, there are grown men and women who don't care to know the difference between your and you're. This isn't a classroom. It's a public forum. I think a classroom is the place to learn and make mistakes. A public forum is a place to attempt to show what you know, so you are easily understood. I want to make it clear again, from my point of view, I'm not talking about occasional small errors and typos. I'm taking about widespread disregard for the basic tenets of composition to the point where it's hard to read or shows apathy toward many common rules of the English language.
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Post by AussieMeg on Apr 29, 2016 3:53:05 GMT
Do you really think most grown women don't know the difference between "your" and "you're?" Well if Facebook is anything to go by then yes, I believe that at least 50% of the population does NOT know the difference between "your" and "you're". And even though a lot of people my age get it wrong, it's definitely worse with younger people. I would suggest that more than 50% of people who are teenagers and in their 20s get it wrong. Again, I'm only going by FB posts.
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Post by gar on Apr 29, 2016 6:55:00 GMT
I get that this MB is a relaxed and unimportant in general but do people really spell things or use grammar one way here and then differently elsewhere? I find that odd. If you know the rules of grammar, if you can spell reasonably well, you understand you're/your why would you do it wrong here and not care, but do it properly in other situations?
I get proofreading/not having time/typos etc etc but I find it hard to believe that people let the rules go depending on where they're writing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 7:24:46 GMT
I find Grammar Nazis to be far more irksome than the errors themselves. I've unfriended someone over it. And hell yes we can use "yer". Yer such a bitch is proper form! Thank you for this. Grammar nazis the reason why I don't post more. But they do remind me when I was about 6 or 7, my moms friend used a double negative and I corrected her. My mom got all over me for it. Told me I was rude. I shouldn't do that to adults. I'm not their teacher and it makes people feel bad. This is why I hardly post any more either. I am dyslexic and I have a genius IQ. I do double, triple and quadruple check my posts before I hit submit. I had the most beautiful friend who was an angel on this Earth. He would give you the shirt off his back and the most beautiful person I have ever known. He was dyslexic and constantly teased and taunted by Grammar Nazi's all his life until he couldn't take it any more and killed himself. You can imagine what I think of Grammar Nazi's. I have watched a teacher ridicule him till he was in tears. We as women should bring people up and not bring people down.
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Post by gar on Apr 29, 2016 8:54:00 GMT
Thank you for this. Grammar nazis the reason why I don't post more. But they do remind me when I was about 6 or 7, my moms friend used a double negative and I corrected her. My mom got all over me for it. Told me I was rude. I shouldn't do that to adults. I'm not their teacher and it makes people feel bad. This is why I hardly post any more either. I am dyslexic and I have a genius IQ. I do double, triple and quadruple check my posts before I hit submit. I had the most beautiful friend who was an angel on this Earth. He would give you the shirt off his back and the most beautiful person I have ever known. He was dyslexic and constantly teased and taunted by Grammar Nazi's all his life until he couldn't take it any more and killed himself. You can imagine what I think of Grammar Nazi's. I have watched a teacher ridicule him till he was in tears. We as women should bring people up and not bring people down. That's horrific and really about bullying not being a grammar nazi. I notice errors (except my own probably!!) but I won't publicly point anything out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 9:34:10 GMT
My biggest one lately is definitely versus defiantly. I always want to say, that doesn't mean what you think it does. It's one that changes the whole meaning.
Lose and loose is annoying too. I always want to say when you lose weight you get loose skin.
I have no idea why those annoy me so much. Then and than can be hilarious sometimes when used wrong. "I would rather die than be with the wrong man." Compared to, "I would rather die then be with the wrong man." For some reason defiantly is more hilarious to me than misusing then/than.
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Post by disneypal on Apr 29, 2016 10:14:08 GMT
Full disclosure: I'm neurotic about it and this morning DH sent me a text that began: "I know your busy but...." His texts never ever have the proper form. Makes me want to scream. At least he didn't write...."I no ur b-z"
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Post by compeateropeator on Apr 29, 2016 12:57:41 GMT
I get that this MB is a relaxed and unimportant in general but do people really spell things or use grammar one way here and then differently elsewhere? I find that odd. If you know the rules of grammar, if you can spell reasonably well, you understand you're/your why would you do it wrong here and not care, but do it properly in other situations? I get proofreading/not having time/typos etc etc but I find it hard to believe that people let the rules go depending on where they're writing. I understand what you are saying also. I am not usually purposely doing anything wrong when posting here, but I am not being as diligent about making sure that everything is written out properly either. It is a place that we come as "friends" to chat. Just as when I sit down for a dinner with friends I am not as concerned with proper dining etiquette as I am with having a comfortable, lively, and enjoyable dinner. I don't chew with my mouth open or talk with food in my mouth but we certainly let slide some of the rules that we would follow if we were in a different setting with different people. When I sit talking with friends at a bar/pub our conversations are structured very differently than if I was conversing with coworkers around a boardroom conference table. That is all I am trying to convey. My point is that I think a majority of the errors that I see here are just that...mistakes that were not corrected. Are all of them? Certainly not. But I am happy to overlook them and focus on the content of the post, just as I would if that person was speaking directly to me and I did not know that they were saying there instead of their. I also do not feel the need to publicly reprimand people here for not adhering to proper writing. That is my biggest issue, the need to publicly slam those people. If that is considered apathy so be it. I don't think it is as easy for some (me) to transcribe a conversation that they are having in their head into a quick, concise, and well written post. And as you can tell concise does not come easy to me. I will just agree to disagree with many on this issue.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Apr 29, 2016 13:06:52 GMT
Thank you for this. Grammar nazis the reason why I don't post more. But they do remind me when I was about 6 or 7, my moms friend used a double negative and I corrected her. My mom got all over me for it. Told me I was rude. I shouldn't do that to adults. I'm not their teacher and it makes people feel bad. This is why I hardly post any more either. I am dyslexic and I have a genius IQ. I do double, triple and quadruple check my posts before I hit submit. I had the most beautiful friend who was an angel on this Earth. He would give you the shirt off his back and the most beautiful person I have ever known. He was dyslexic and constantly teased and taunted by Grammar Nazi's all his life until he couldn't take it any more and killed himself. You can imagine what I think of Grammar Nazi's. I have watched a teacher ridicule him till he was in tears. We as women should bring people up and not bring people down. Again, we shouldn't ridicule anyone. "Most" grammar aware people are not "Nazis" and realize people make mistakes from time to time. I also think "most" of us know there are people with severe disabilities and educational gaps that hurt their ability to be understood. I think they should be able to participate, but they might want to stay away from a lot of controversial topics. If you are talking about getting a new dog or wishing someone happy birthday or talking about your vacuum cleaner---most people will ignore and/or attempt to understand your message. If you are telling people they are bad parents, ripping on transgender (on my FB feed the last couple of days) or any group of people or railing against a political party, etc..., and you are struggling with the English language, you might want to either reconsider, slow down and try really hard to be understood or ask someone to help you proofread. That's my point.
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