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Post by freecharlie on Apr 28, 2016 23:53:37 GMT
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Post by myshelly on Apr 28, 2016 23:55:10 GMT
Some states are just hellbent on moving this country backwards.
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Post by seikashaven on Apr 29, 2016 0:06:57 GMT
Mercy me. How on earth can an unconscious person consent to anything? How awful.
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Post by basketdiva on Apr 29, 2016 0:14:43 GMT
Fro what I read, the court ruled based on the way the original law was wriiten. It is obvious that rape laws across the country need to be reviewed and rewritten.
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Post by Gravity on Apr 29, 2016 0:15:40 GMT
WTH?
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 29, 2016 0:36:53 GMT
Fro what I read, the court ruled based on the way the original law was wriiten. It is obvious that rape laws across the country need to be reviewed and rewritten. absolutely. Considering the law on the books, it seems they ruled with the law. Doesn't make it less shocking that the law still says this. |
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Apr 29, 2016 5:14:56 GMT
It doesn't help in this particular case, but it looks like it's time for the Oklahoma legislature to get busy and change the law.
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Post by gar on Apr 29, 2016 6:24:49 GMT
I read that!!!  |
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Post by marimoose on Apr 29, 2016 13:15:44 GMT
Yikes!
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Post by genny on Apr 29, 2016 15:18:26 GMT
I saw that just this week. DS is doing his sociology research paper on rape on college campus. Leading into that discussion he's discussing the recent (2013 I think) change in the Justice Department definition of rape, national statistics as well. Each state has their own definition as well… anyway I thought it was insane when I saw that. Honestly I was floored by many of the statistics I read as he was doing his research. We watched the Hunting Ground and it gave me nightmares. And I was glad to see him so utterly disgusted, but was already proud he'd chosen this as his topic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 15:58:17 GMT
Fro what I read, the court ruled based on the way the original law was writiten. It is obvious that rape laws across the country need to be reviewed and rewritten. I have a friend who is familiar with this case. Everyone involved is appalled at the situation, but the courts cannot rule in a way that will change the law even if the law is written poorly. The state has to change the law via the proper channels of the legislative branch. In the meantime people are not protected by the law under these circumstances. The court did "privately close" this case (note sure of the correct term) that will not allow other cases to use this ruling as precedent. |
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Post by anxiousmom on Apr 29, 2016 16:00:25 GMT
Sort of related:
I just had to take my younger son (he is 17) in for shots and a physical. We had to fill out reams of paperwork, and one of the questionnaires was mostly about social habits. One of the questions was whether or not if we had talked to our daughters about date rape (and the situations that could potentially lead to date rape.) As a woman, I was glad to know that the doctors on staff would cover that as part of a conversation in case someone was uncomfortable with the topic, but as a mother of boys I was slightly uncomfortable that the conversation would only be potentially be directed at girls. I wrote a little note on the side of the questionnaire to suggest that boys be included in this discussion as well.
When the doctor came in, he brought up the note and said that as the father of three girls, he should have been more aware that boys should be part of the discussion. My comment was that as the mother of two boys who could potentially date one of his three daughters, he should be grateful that I thought it was important enough to discuss with my sons. He agreed and said that he was going to bring up revising the form with the rest of the practice.
Frankly, I don't want my sons thinking that there is any thing right about sticking their appendages into any orifice that is unconscious or in any way unable to give informed consent. If I wasn't able to have a conversation with my boys about date rape, I very much want their doctor to do so. I think the pediatrician's office has been missing an opportunity by only addressing this topic with girls.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Apr 29, 2016 17:35:35 GMT
I have no words. That's so wrong.
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Post by tiffanytwisted on Apr 29, 2016 18:01:35 GMT
You mean to tell me that those lawyers and that judge couldn't find SOME way to finagle around an obviously ridiculous law? Some loophole? Something?
Agreed. Laws need to be rewritten and the conversation needs to be had w/both girls & boys.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Apr 29, 2016 18:09:40 GMT
Sometimes it takes a case like this to get a bad law changed. This ruling is obviously unconscionable, but it was apparently all the court could do based on the current law. Now it is incumbent upon the Oklahoma legislature to review and revise these laws.
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Post by ladytrisha on Apr 29, 2016 21:26:59 GMT
Sort of related: I just had to take my younger son (he is 17) in for shots and a physical. We had to fill out reams of paperwork, and one of the questionnaires was mostly about social habits. One of the questions was whether or not if we had talked to our daughters about date rape (and the situations that could potentially lead to date rape.) As a woman, I was glad to know that the doctors on staff would cover that as part of a conversation in case someone was uncomfortable with the topic, but as a mother of boys I was slightly uncomfortable that the conversation would only be potentially be directed at girls. I wrote a little note on the side of the questionnaire to suggest that boys be included in this discussion as well. When the doctor came in, he brought up the note and said that as the father of three girls, he should have been more aware that boys should be part of the discussion. My comment was that as the mother of two boys who could potentially date one of his three daughters, he should be grateful that I thought it was important enough to discuss with my sons. He agreed and said that he was going to bring up revising the form with the rest of the practice. Frankly, I don't want my sons thinking that there is any thing right about sticking their appendages into any orifice that is unconscious or in any way unable to give informed consent. If I wasn't able to have a conversation with my boys about date rape, I very much want their doctor to do so. I think the pediatrician's office has been missing an opportunity by only addressing this topic with girls.
The discussion should include what if boys are raped as well - it DOES happen, but they are usually more ashamed because society seems to think it doesn't happen.
I'm so impressed you brought it up to your doctor.
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Post by brina on Apr 29, 2016 22:25:14 GMT
Well that helps narrow down the college search.
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