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Post by jenjie on May 15, 2016 18:06:20 GMT
My kids just get allowance right now. I encourage them to spend-save-give but don't put any parameters. I also don't dictate where they give. One puts $ in the offering plate at church, one is saving for something specific they want to donate to later in the year. Ds11 has gone with his nana to the dollar store and chosen things - toiletries and bottles of water - for her to give to a few homeless men she regularly makes up bags for. He also chose to donate to the school walkathon.
Ds11 also thinks he can use his $ to buy super expensive gifts for his friends' birthdays. I've had to talk him down from that one more than once. Ds17 has enjoyed being BMOC supplying pretty much the entire cast of the school play with candy on a regular basis. He may come to regret that but better to figure that out now rather than later. Dd likes to hold onto her money, she has her sights set on college and car. But she did recently buy a Fitbit, which she is taking much more seriously than I anticipated.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 18:11:05 GMT
Are you assuming the teen has financial skills to implement already? His parents could help him learn initially by engaging in a convo and then let him have some reins with his learned info. Hard to know what 16 year olds know about money I guess. Yes, IMO, by the time you are a teenager you should already have some knowledge and experience with money. I just don't think that a teen is *learning* anything by having his parents dictate how he can/should spend his money. I don't think following strict orders without choice is how one learns. Dictating and strict orders is not the best way but luckily OP was talking about guidelines
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 15, 2016 18:13:55 GMT
Also do not sign her up for overdraft protection. Make the card decline a sale if there isn't enough money in the account instead of being charged $35 for every purchase. With fraud as rampant as it is, it only takes a few seconds to have an entire account wiped out. That's not how my overdraft protection works at all!
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Post by luvnlifelady on May 15, 2016 18:15:31 GMT
That's a good question. I will keep up with this thread for ideas. DS turns 16 tomorrow and I helped get a lead on a social media paid intern position. He interviews for it on Wednesday and it would be making $10/hour (CA's minimum wage).
I like the idea of making him pay for insurance or at least the difference between good student and not so good since his GPA is quite low.
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Post by katniss on May 15, 2016 19:23:02 GMT
My DD19 puts half her check into savings to pay for college tuition. And the rest is hers to do whatever she wants. She does give me money for her phone and she doesn't drive so there isn't any vehicle expenses. She's saved quit a bit these last 2 years.
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Post by myshelly on May 15, 2016 19:32:21 GMT
Yes, IMO, by the time you are a teenager you should already have some knowledge and experience with money. I just don't think that a teen is *learning* anything by having his parents dictate how he can/should spend his money. I don't think following strict orders without choice is how one learns. Dictating and strict orders is not the best way but luckily OP was talking about guidelines Most of what the peas are suggesting in this thread is dictating and strict orders.
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Post by perumbula on May 15, 2016 19:55:59 GMT
Dictating and strict orders is not the best way but luckily OP was talking about guidelines Most of what the peas are suggesting in this thread is dictating and strict orders. My suggestion was given as guidelines. My job as a parent is to help my kid learn without screwing up first. yes, they can learn from making mistakes and they will learn what things are worth spending money on and what things aren't. But isn't it nice that I can give my kids advice and suggestions based on solid financial concepts before they blow all their money on movie tickets and fast food? Teaching money well can involve giving specific numbers. Dave Ramsey, Susie Orman, etc. all give very specific guidelines of how to save and spend well. I don't see it as them dictating to me as an adult, but experienced experts helping me learn before I make bigger mistakes. When I gave my teens those percent guidelines that I talked about in my previous post we didn't just tell our kids what they had to do. We had a full conversation about their long term goals and what they could do with their money to help them reach those goals. Just because people are giving very specific numbers doesn't mean that there wasn't a full conversation and back and forth with the teen about how they spent their money.
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Post by boatymcboatface on May 15, 2016 20:02:45 GMT
Dictating and strict orders is not the best way but luckily OP was talking about guidelines Most of what the peas are suggesting in this thread is dictating and strict orders. We set goals and guidelines with our kids but we help them adapt to what they are doing, what they need and what their goals are. Car, college etc but we also plan on them giving some of it because we want to ground them in that way of life, spend/save/give because we want them to learn healthy money management so we set up opportunities for them to practice it when the stakes are low rather than having to figure it out when they are adults. Neither of us had good financial edcation as children so we set the guidelines so that they could learn how to handle money well from the beginning. It's all about their goals and how to reach them not about our expectations Also our kids tend to have very instant gratification personalities, some of them anyways. I have one who wouldn't save a dime if he didn't have somethinf to motivate him and others who were just careless and didn't care about money because it didn't mean much to them till they had to earn it. So that was what I was working with. As a parent I didn't wait to teach money when they wanted. We have expectations for many things in life such as chores, money management, time management,, grades because it is our job as parents to teach those things.
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Post by caangel on May 15, 2016 20:18:19 GMT
DS got a job right after high school graduation paying $10 an hour. He actually kept it part-time all through college and 2 years after he got his degree until he could find his first job in accounting. (They also gave him full medical/dental benefits which was huge as well as raises along the way.) The first thing I pounded into his head was opening a Roth IRA. So he has funded one for the full amount ever since. We paid for his college (he lived at home and commuted to Cal State) so he would be debt-free when he graduated and could save every penny to buy a house. He's 30 now and owns a townhouse in the next town over. Otherwise he would never be able to afford anything in this area. Luckily he saved enough that he didn't have to touch his Roth IRA. That's a long-winded way of saying we preached saving, saving, saving. My parents and dh's parents did the same thing with the both of us. It is never too early to start saving for retirement. As a natural saver what I wish I had been taught was how to budget. I was always good with tracking my spending but not intentionally planning my spending.
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Post by 950nancy on May 15, 2016 20:33:09 GMT
When my sons turned 12, we gave them $500 to invest. They learned about the stock market and how to work it to their advantage. I highly suggest teaching any child about this. Both of my sons worked mowing lawns in the summer. SInce both of the boys were savers, we never put any stipulation on where their money had to go. As a parent, I would think you should read a book or two about teaching your kids about money if you haven't yet. It is also a good thing to give your kids a heads up about when they will be responsible for specific bills as they age. In our house, if you are going to school full time and working, I won't charge you anything. Other than that, you start paying. Kids just need to know how it all works.
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Post by maryland on May 15, 2016 21:26:01 GMT
Our daughter wants to add routines for the dance recital and do duets with friends. We want her to pay for those. She is also 16 and will be a senior. She can also use the money for clothes. We will let her do what she wants with the money. It would be nice if she saves some so she has it if she wants to buy a laptop or something more expensive.
But mainly she will use it for dance, clothes, entertainment.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 15, 2016 21:27:56 GMT
Also our kids tend to have very instant gratification personalities, some of them anyways. I have one who wouldn't save a dime if he didn't have somethinf to motivate him and others who were just careless and didn't care about money because it didn't mean much to them till they had to earn it. So that was what I was working with. As a parent I didn't wait to teach money when they wanted. We have expectations for many things in life such as chores, money management, time management,, grades because it is our job as parents to teach those things. I think that's a big part of it. It's true for a lot of kids and for a lot of adults too. That's why so many people run into trouble with rampant consumer debt, living beyond their means, etc. No one seems to want to wait or save up for anything anymore when you can whip out the plastic and have it today, right now. DH had parents that helped him to have whatever he wanted when he wanted it. They would pay for the stuff up front and he would work to earn the money to pay them back, but still. They basically taught him to buy stuff before he had the means to pay for it and worry about figuring out how to pay for it later. I wasn't raised that way. Being young married people with limited means was very difficult for both of us. It took him a LONG time to learn how to budget and save up for anything, and that lesson would have been much easier to learn if that had been the expectation he was raised with. Thankfully he has always been very self motivated and a hard worker. I intentionally make our kid wait for stuff, work for stuff and to save up her own money for some of the bigger things she says she wants. I want her to learn early how to work, save, budget and most importantly to WAIT for things so she doesn't feel like she *must* have everything the minute she thinks she wants it just because other kids at her school might have it. We also talk about what it costs to fix or replace things that get lost or broken, and that it's important to be careful with your things so they last. We can't believe how many of our friends readily pay to immediately replace things that their teenage kids carelessly lose or break like cell phones, tablets, laptops, etc. It's like there's no consequence at all for being careless, and that's not how real life works.
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Post by maryland on May 15, 2016 22:14:42 GMT
When my sons turned 12, we gave them $500 to invest. They learned about the stock market and how to work it to their advantage. I highly suggest teaching any child about this. Both of my sons worked mowing lawns in the summer. SInce both of the boys were savers, we never put any stipulation on where their money had to go. As a parent, I would think you should read a book or two about teaching your kids about money if you haven't yet. It is also a good thing to give your kids a heads up about when they will be responsible for specific bills as they age. In our house, if you are going to school full time and working, I won't charge you anything. Other than that, you start paying. Kids just need to know how it all works. Great idea! How did your boys get started with the lawn mowing? My 13 yr. old daughter has been mowing our law for 2 years now and does a great job! She would love to have a neighborhood mowing business!
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Post by 950nancy on May 15, 2016 22:19:34 GMT
When my sons turned 12, we gave them $500 to invest. They learned about the stock market and how to work it to their advantage. I highly suggest teaching any child about this. Both of my sons worked mowing lawns in the summer. SInce both of the boys were savers, we never put any stipulation on where their money had to go. As a parent, I would think you should read a book or two about teaching your kids about money if you haven't yet. It is also a good thing to give your kids a heads up about when they will be responsible for specific bills as they age. In our house, if you are going to school full time and working, I won't charge you anything. Other than that, you start paying. Kids just need to know how it all works. Great idea! How did your boys get started with the lawn mowing? My 13 yr. old daughter has been mowing our law for 2 years now and does a great job! She would love to have a neighborhood mowing business! They made business cards on the computer and put up signs. Kids generally mow for a lot less than the mowing companies will, so they always had yards close by. They both had 5-8 yards per summer, so the money was good. They got between $25-$40 a lawn and could do all of it in two days, so if the weather was bad they could still do it all in a week. I would also say that neighbors of their clients would ask and that gave them about half of their lawns. They both had a fit when they got "real jobs" and learned about FICA and SS. My youngest has a job this summer with an engineering firm four days a week. He makes us the fifth day's pay by mowing two lawns (about 60 minutes of work).
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Post by pridemom on May 15, 2016 22:30:11 GMT
Whaaaat is she doing to earn those kinds of tips? LOL If mine were making that kind of money, I'd help them open a savings account and start saving maybe 20% of what they earn. And then they could fund their own "fun" items like makeup, going out with friends, clothes over and above what they need, etc. If she opens a Roth IRA and puts $2000 in it before she turns 18, she could have a million dollars at 65, even if she never adds to it.
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Post by knit.pea on May 15, 2016 23:00:08 GMT
If she opens a Roth IRA and puts $2000 in it before she turns 18, she could have a million dollars at 65, even if she never adds to it. I don't think that math adds up.
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Post by polz on May 15, 2016 23:15:25 GMT
DD is 16. She has worked since she was 13 and earn around $100 per week. I've let her spend that and she has Apple everything (I have a crappy $400 computer. DD's Macbook cost $1700). She pays for her own clothes (other that school uniform), shoes, makeup and movie tickets. DD had a play to go to at school. Normally I'd pay for that but this time around she said she will cover it. I've told her to start saving for university because we are paying 15K for her hall of residence and all incidentals are on her. I think last time I checked, she had $2000 in the bank.
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Post by AllieC on May 15, 2016 23:28:00 GMT
We didn't have any rules just watched at first what she was doing with her money. She knew that we would match any savings for her first car. Well she saved like crazy for 2.5 years and before we knew it she had $7000 saved! It was a great lesson for her in seeing her money build up and knowing what she could do with it.
I do think they need to have frivolous money to spend on clothes and other stuff. They earn the money so should be able to have fun with some of it too.
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 15, 2016 23:33:06 GMT
I am curious, myshelly, how old are your kids?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 23:33:14 GMT
My parents required me to pay for my car insurance, most of my gas and I had to put 20% in savings at 16.
I waited tables and made pretty great tips as well. My insurance was around $100/month.
10% of the savings went to true savings, the other 10% went to expenses like tires, etc. I had a beater car with no payment. The rest of my money went to going out to eat, movies and shopping with my friends.
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Post by maryland on May 15, 2016 23:44:05 GMT
Great idea! How did your boys get started with the lawn mowing? My 13 yr. old daughter has been mowing our law for 2 years now and does a great job! She would love to have a neighborhood mowing business! They made business cards on the computer and put up signs. Kids generally mow for a lot less than the mowing companies will, so they always had yards close by. They both had 5-8 yards per summer, so the money was good. They got between $25-$40 a lawn and could do all of it in two days, so if the weather was bad they could still do it all in a week. I would also say that neighbors of their clients would ask and that gave them about half of their lawns. They both had a fit when they got "real jobs" and learned about FICA and SS. My youngest has a job this summer with an engineering firm four days a week. He makes us the fifth day's pay by mowing two lawns (about 60 minutes of work). Thanks for the info! That's such a great way for teens to earn money in the summer, especially if they are under 15/16 and can't get a summer job. My daughters find mowing the lawn so relaxing (and good exercise)! I hope your son enjoys working at the engineering firm. Good idea to mow on his day off.
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Post by TankTop on May 15, 2016 23:58:52 GMT
Dd is pretty responsible. She is already saving quite a bit.
What we have found is knowing what she should pay for now and what we should pay for.
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Post by pridemom on May 16, 2016 0:32:39 GMT
If she opens a Roth IRA and puts $2000 in it before she turns 18, she could have a million dollars at 65, even if she never adds to it. I don't think that math adds up. I ran a calculator at 10% and you are right, it's $175,000. That was a figure I got from a class. It might have been $2000 the first year and $2000/yr after to be $1 mil. Still a good deal of money.
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Post by malibou on May 16, 2016 1:54:58 GMT
When I was living at home, I had a job where I made a salary plus really good tips. I paid a set amount to my parents for clothes and such, from the salary and the tips, then the remaining salary went into a savings acct and I spent the remaining tips at my discretion.
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Post by 950nancy on May 16, 2016 2:27:23 GMT
They made business cards on the computer and put up signs. Kids generally mow for a lot less than the mowing companies will, so they always had yards close by. They both had 5-8 yards per summer, so the money was good. They got between $25-$40 a lawn and could do all of it in two days, so if the weather was bad they could still do it all in a week. I would also say that neighbors of their clients would ask and that gave them about half of their lawns. They both had a fit when they got "real jobs" and learned about FICA and SS. My youngest has a job this summer with an engineering firm four days a week. He makes us the fifth day's pay by mowing two lawns (about 60 minutes of work). Thanks for the info! That's such a great way for teens to earn money in the summer, especially if they are under 15/16 and can't get a summer job. My daughters find mowing the lawn so relaxing (and good exercise)! I hope your son enjoys working at the engineering firm. Good idea to mow on his day off. The money is great. He can easily make four times as much mowing as he can from working as an intern. He had over 7k in his savings account when he graduated from high school. He's buying a new computer for engineering that will cost 2k, so his saving plan worked for him.
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Post by fredfreddy on May 16, 2016 2:49:40 GMT
Calvin has a summer job, MW is CA in 10.30 and he will be working 10-13 hr/week this summer. He can spend it on whatever he likes. My parents had a 50% goes into your college fund policy which pissed me off. (Imagine earning 2.00/hr babysitting and 1/2 goes away). He wanted to learn snowboarding so he had to pay for 1/2 of the rental and lesson. He likes Magic board and video games and junk food. I'm guessing it will be spent quickly.
ETA: HE does pay 10/month for his phone and I will encourage him to save because all fun money in college will be on him. It goes quickly.
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Post by cmputerdazed on May 16, 2016 4:10:49 GMT
my kids always bought their own school cloths when they first started working. In our school Cheer is extra so they had to buy their own uniforms which was pretty expensive.
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Post by maryland on May 16, 2016 13:15:43 GMT
Thanks for the info! That's such a great way for teens to earn money in the summer, especially if they are under 15/16 and can't get a summer job. My daughters find mowing the lawn so relaxing (and good exercise)! I hope your son enjoys working at the engineering firm. Good idea to mow on his day off. The money is great. He can easily make four times as much mowing as he can from working as an intern. He had over 7k in his savings account when he graduated from high school. He's buying a new computer for engineering that will cost 2k, so his saving plan worked for him. That's great! You must be so proud of him. It's so impressive to hear about a teen that is good with money.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 16, 2016 14:07:18 GMT
When my sons turned 12, we gave them $500 to invest. They learned about the stock market and how to work it to their advantage. I highly suggest teaching any child about this. Both of my sons worked mowing lawns in the summer. SInce both of the boys were savers, we never put any stipulation on where their money had to go. As a parent, I would think you should read a book or two about teaching your kids about money if you haven't yet. It is also a good thing to give your kids a heads up about when they will be responsible for specific bills as they age. In our house, if you are going to school full time and working, I won't charge you anything. Other than that, you start paying. Kids just need to know how it all works. Great idea! How did your boys get started with the lawn mowing? My 13 yr. old daughter has been mowing our law for 2 years now and does a great job! She would love to have a neighborhood mowing business! My DH did this as a kid too. His method was to go around to the houses in his neighborhood on a Saturday morning looking particularly for the ones with longer grass in the yard, and knock on doors. Since many of the people in his neighborhood were professional people who really didn't *want* to spend their Saturdays mowing grass, many of them took him up on it. He would mow a couple different yards each weekday afternoon in the spring after school which freed up his weekends to go to the lake (and once summer came he had more time to get them done during the day). Then at the lake cabin, he had a few more lawns there too that he would knock out first thing and spend all of his earnings on gas for his little fishing boat or for his dad's ski boat. Once winter came, because of the lawn mowing he had a customer base of people who wanted their snow shoveled too, so the money flowed all year round.
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Post by lovinlife on May 16, 2016 15:12:33 GMT
I have them pay for their cell phones and car insurance. I leave it up to them to manage how they save and spend the rest. I will talk with them about saving for car repairs, tires or misc bigger ticket items they want. At the end of the day I want them to learn now before they move out how to budget the money.
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