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Post by ihaveonly1l on Jun 17, 2016 13:06:37 GMT
Neither team is "my team" but man, if Lebron walked off the court early like Klay Thompson did, the media would crucify him.
Curry reminds me of a child that has always been good at something and just expects that everything goes his way. When it doesn't, he sits on the sidelines with the towel over his head pouting or in the case of last night, throws things. Apparently his wife is the same way.
It may be a case of him getting judged in a more harsh way because he is so good, but he also gets the benefit of that too. There have been other players that have thrown things at fans (unintentionally because I don't think that was his goal) and they were suspended the next game. That won't happen to Curry so that is the flip side of being judged more harshly.
It should be an intense game 7.
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Post by debmast on Jun 17, 2016 13:28:29 GMT
When LeBron protested the junk punch/grab by Green, Warrior fans held up crybaby signs & signs with baby bottles at the next game. Wonder how those same folks feel about Curry's little tantrum & flinging his mouth guard & hitting a fan??
Curry's wife has now removed her tweet & apologized. Guessing someone in the organization told her it would be a good idea to do so.
When the Warriors win it's a great game. When the Cavs win it's rigged?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 17, 2016 13:34:07 GMT
When LeBron protested the junk punch/grab by Green, Warrior fans held up crybaby signs & signs with baby bottles at the next game. Wonder how those same folks feel about Curry's little tantrum & flinging his mouth guard & hitting a fan?? Curry's wife has now removed her tweet & apologized. Guessing someone in the organization told her it would be a good idea to do so. When the Warriors win it's a great game. When the Cavs win it's rigged? I half expect to see Curry fined for her comments. She majorly criticized the same entity that keeps her in the lifestyle she is now accustomed to!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 17, 2016 13:34:24 GMT
Neither team is "my team" but man, if Lebron walked off the court early like Klay Thompson did, the media would crucify him. Curry reminds me of a child that has always been good at something and just expects that everything goes his way. When it doesn't, he sits on the sidelines with the towel over his head pouting or in the case of last night, throws things. Apparently his wife is the same way. It may be a case of him getting judged in a more harsh way because he is so good, but he also gets the benefit of that too. There have been other players that have thrown things at fans (unintentionally because I don't think that was his goal) and they were suspended the next game. That won't happen to Curry so that is the flip side of being judged more harshly. It should be an intense game 7. Perfect summation!
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Post by J u l e e on Jun 17, 2016 14:10:06 GMT
I'm a Cleveland girl, but I like Steph Curry as a player and as a person. Maybe even more than LeBron James. I don't fault him for emotion. Or any of these guys really. They're the best of the best in an incredibly intense and important game that they pour themselves into. But I really dislike whining over officiating. It's easy to see the bad calls made on your team and accept the bad calls on the opposing team. They go both ways. And being upset over the call on LeBron's flop when Anderson V(can never spell it) is the king of the flop is annoying. And I get it - he used to be our player. Both teams whine and it's stupid.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 17, 2016 16:37:17 GMT
Well they fined Curry & Kerr both $25,000 each
(For throwing his mouth piece and for criticizing the ref's)
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Post by tenacious on Jun 17, 2016 17:36:48 GMT
Well they fined Curry & Kerr both $25,000 each (For throwing his mouth piece and for criticizing the ref's) Fair enough. Erin
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Post by J u l e e on Jun 17, 2016 17:39:48 GMT
Well they fined Curry & Kerr both $25,000 each (For throwing his mouth piece and for criticizing the ref's) I hope that's all. I would really hate to see him out of game 7.
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 17, 2016 17:40:19 GMT
When LeBron protested the junk punch/grab by Green, Warrior fans held up crybaby signs & signs with baby bottles at the next game. Wonder how those same folks feel about Curry's little tantrum & flinging his mouth guard & hitting a fan? I thought that was ridiculous.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 17, 2016 17:48:19 GMT
Well they fined Curry & Kerr both $25,000 each (For throwing his mouth piece and for criticizing the ref's) Fair enough. Erin It was in line with a few other players who have thrown things over the years, they all received a $25,000 fine
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 17, 2016 17:48:43 GMT
Well they fined Curry & Kerr both $25,000 each (For throwing his mouth piece and for criticizing the ref's) I hope that's all. I would really hate to see him out of game 7. Yeah, they said he was not being suspended.
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Post by dillydally on Jun 17, 2016 18:00:45 GMT
I'm a Cleveland girl, but I like Steph Curry as a player and as a person. Maybe even more than LeBron James. I don't fault him for emotion. Or any of these guys really. They're the best of the best in an incredibly intense and important game that they pour themselves into. But I really dislike whining over officiating. It's easy to see the bad calls made on your team and accept the bad calls on the opposing team. They go both ways. And being upset over the call on LeBron's flop when Anderson V(can never spell it) is the king of the flop is annoying. And I get it - he used to be our player. Both teams whine and it's stupid. I agree with this. I don't care about either team or basketball really, but I like Steph Curry and LeBron James. I didn't watch much of the game but in the 5 minutes I did watch, the ref called a foul on the Warriors that clearly wasn't a foul - when you watch it in slow motion 5 times in a row at different angles. Its a fast game and refs are going to make bad calls. That's life. Suck it up. It annoys me just as much when the parents at my son's soccer games whine about the refs. I know more about Steph as I went to Virginia Tech around the same time as his parents. I've followed him since VT turned him down and he went to Davidson instead. (Someone once said he went to Davidson because he couldnt get into Tech, LOL!!! Davidson is very difficult to get into) He has a great work ethic that I'd love for my son to emulate, and I can't begrudge emotion after an intense game - that's why these players play so well; they are passionate about the game.
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Post by ihaveonly1l on Jun 17, 2016 18:35:38 GMT
When you watch any section of the game (any game) in isolation, it can appear that calls go in favor of one team over another. The game as a whole, balances out pretty accurately in that some things that are called, shouldn't be, and some things that should, aren't.
During game 5, Irving was called as being out of bounds. On the replay you can clearly see that he wasn't near the line. Bad call. But in the end, they probably got the benefit of the doubt on something else.
Refs are human, and if they went to replay over every call it would make games 8 hours long.
The response for Kerr that those calls shouldn't have been made against Curry because he is the MVP are ridiculous. He was called on 6, probably committed more than he was called on and maybe the six they did call weren't the worst offenses, but I bet if it was watched back, he probably had 6.
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Post by cajeanne on Jun 17, 2016 18:38:51 GMT
Like several others have said, I am not a supporter of either team and usually don't pay attention to basketball during the season. However, I've watched most of the playoff games. There is no question in my mind that the refs are calling fouls on Curry that are not fouls and not calling fouls being made on Curry. In the Oklahoma City series they were practically mugging him. My DH and I couldn't believe it. I can't blame Curry for being frustrated. I do think he needs to have a chat with his wife.
I have read that there is a ref who is so blatantly calling fouls against the Warriors that people have gone back and done statistics about the fouls he calls and it was amazing the disproportionate number he calls against them. He was reffing last night. Thank goodness he won't be on Sunday. Hopefully it will be a well-refereed contest and a good contest. I think the Warriors are tired and they are definitely hurting without their center. I read in the paper that the player who took his place was having back pain all night but played anyway.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 17, 2016 19:07:40 GMT
When you watch any section of the game (any game) in isolation, it can appear that calls go in favor of one team over another. The game as a whole, balances out pretty accurately in that some things that are called, shouldn't be, and some things that should, aren't.
During game 5, Irving was called as being out of bounds. On the replay you can clearly see that he wasn't near the line. Bad call. But in the end, they probably got the benefit of the doubt on something else.
Refs are human, and if they went to replay over every call it would make games 8 hours long.
The response for Kerr that those calls shouldn't have been made against Curry because he is the MVP are ridiculous. He was called on 6, probably committed more than he was called on and maybe the six they did call weren't the worst offenses, but I bet if it was watched back, he probably had 6.
I read what Kerr said about Curry being the MVP and all I could think of was really? Privileged much?
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jun 17, 2016 19:17:35 GMT
Context. What Kerr said was *If they're going to let Cleveland grab and hold these guys constantly on their cuts and then you're going to call these ticky-tack fouls on the MVP of the league to foul him out, I don't agree with that* He's not saying you shouldn't call fouls on Curry. JMHO of what Kerr was trying to get across. Warriors fans will agree with him, Cleveland fans won't.
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Post by debmast on Jun 17, 2016 19:24:40 GMT
Then why even mention that he is MVP?
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Post by PaperAngel on Jun 17, 2016 19:28:06 GMT
...I think that Stephen Curry is acting childish --you don't go reaching in to steal the ball when you already have 4 fouls!!! ...Throwing gear into the crowd is grounds for eviction... I don't believe that for a minute. From the get go of the game, the Cavs out played them. It happens. Given your obvious bias & lack of basketball knowledge, it appears you're a fan of the Cavs, not the game itself; our perspectives are different. Best wishes to your team in Game 7!
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Post by mbartolotta on Jun 17, 2016 19:36:01 GMT
CAVS fan IN Cleveland here !! Sorry, the Warriors got one last year. I'd really like to see a win for this town. We have awesome fans !
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 17, 2016 20:08:22 GMT
...I think that Stephen Curry is acting childish --you don't go reaching in to steal the ball when you already have 4 fouls!!! ...Throwing gear into the crowd is grounds for eviction... I don't believe that for a minute. From the get go of the game, the Cavs out played them. It happens. Given your obvious bias & lack of basketball knowledge, it appears you're a fan of the Cavs, not the game itself; our perspectives are different. Best wishes to your team in Game 7! 1. I'm not the only person who thinks he was acting childish. Go take a look at Twitter! 2. I don't think that there us a big conspiracy theory that the refs were out to throw the game --that's bill trouble right there. Another poster said it better than I up thread. There are going to be time that calls are not always made or what we think in error . The refs watch the entire game from a different perspective and in real time, real fast. If you prefer to dissect everything in replay's and slow motion, and be that Monday Morning Quarterback then I can't help ya! 3. I would love to see the CAV's win one. They have played hard for tears and I think it would be fantastic to git that goal. I played basketball for 8 years. I'm not a stranger to the game, but not by any means a professional. I can at least admit when the Cavs played crappy and GSW won, I didn't post that they were cheats, or the refs were against them or that the NBA rigged the game.
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Post by ihaveonly1l on Jun 17, 2016 20:13:20 GMT
Context. What Kerr said was *If they're going to let Cleveland grab and hold these guys constantly on their cuts and then you're going to call these ticky-tack fouls on the MVP of the league to foul him out, I don't agree with that* He's not saying you shouldn't call fouls on Curry. JMHO of what Kerr was trying to get across. Warriors fans will agree with him, Cleveland fans won't.
You're right, context is important and I missed it because I only had this info from ESPN:
"He had every right to be upset. He's the MVP of the league. He gets six fouls called on him, three of them were absolutely ridiculous," Kerr said. "He steals the ball from Kyrie [Irving] clean at one point. LeBron [James] flops on the last one. [Referee] Jason Phillips falls for that -- for a flop. As the MVP of the league, we're talking about these touch fouls in the NBA Finals.
"Let me be clear: We did not lose because of the officiating. They totally outplayed us, and Cleveland deserved to win. But those three of the six fouls were incredibly inappropriate calls for anybody, much less the MVP of the league."
They don't have the beginning part with him referencing the grabbing. I didn't realize there was a longer quote. I do think he tried to make it better at the end by saying they didn't lose because of the officiating. Steve Kerr was my favorite player back when he was in the league. My husband would watch Bulls games for Jordan and I'd watch for Kerr. His three pointers were amazing at that time period of the league. I often wonder how he would do in the league as it is today- a much faster pace. I just didn't expect the poor Steph comments from him because he tends to be very level (at least on camera-who knows in the locker room). We get an idea in our head of how a person should be without even knowing the real them.
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Post by debmast on Jun 17, 2016 21:21:24 GMT
Context. What Kerr said was *If they're going to let Cleveland grab and hold these guys constantly on their cuts and then you're going to call these ticky-tack fouls on the MVP of the league to foul him out, I don't agree with that* He's not saying you shouldn't call fouls on Curry. JMHO of what Kerr was trying to get across. Warriors fans will agree with him, Cleveland fans won't.
You're right, context is important and I missed it because I only had this info from ESPN:
"He had every right to be upset. He's the MVP of the league. He gets six fouls called on him, three of them were absolutely ridiculous," Kerr said. "He steals the ball from Kyrie [Irving] clean at one point. LeBron [James] flops on the last one. [Referee] Jason Phillips falls for that -- for a flop. As the MVP of the league, we're talking about these touch fouls in the NBA Finals.
"Let me be clear: We did not lose because of the officiating. They totally outplayed us, and Cleveland deserved to win. But those three of the six fouls were incredibly inappropriate calls for anybody, much less the MVP of the league."
They don't have the beginning part with him referencing the grabbing. I didn't realize there was a longer quote. I do think he tried to make it better at the end by saying they didn't lose because of the officiating. Steve Kerr was my favorite player back when he was in the league. My husband would watch Bulls games for Jordan and I'd watch for Kerr. His three pointers were amazing at that time period of the league. I often wonder how he would do in the league as it is today- a much faster pace. I just didn't expect the poor Steph comments from him because he tends to be very level (at least on camera-who knows in the locker room). We get an idea in our head of how a person should be without even knowing the real them.
So reading this, Kerr believes that because Curry is "MVP of the league" he should get special treatment and should not be called for fouls because of that? Cause that's BS right there.
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Post by ihaveonly1l on Jun 17, 2016 21:53:12 GMT
You're right, context is important and I missed it because I only had this info from ESPN:
"He had every right to be upset. He's the MVP of the league. He gets six fouls called on him, three of them were absolutely ridiculous," Kerr said. "He steals the ball from Kyrie [Irving] clean at one point. LeBron [James] flops on the last one. [Referee] Jason Phillips falls for that -- for a flop. As the MVP of the league, we're talking about these touch fouls in the NBA Finals.
"Let me be clear: We did not lose because of the officiating. They totally outplayed us, and Cleveland deserved to win. But those three of the six fouls were incredibly inappropriate calls for anybody, much less the MVP of the league."
They don't have the beginning part with him referencing the grabbing. I didn't realize there was a longer quote. I do think he tried to make it better at the end by saying they didn't lose because of the officiating. Steve Kerr was my favorite player back when he was in the league. My husband would watch Bulls games for Jordan and I'd watch for Kerr. His three pointers were amazing at that time period of the league. I often wonder how he would do in the league as it is today- a much faster pace. I just didn't expect the poor Steph comments from him because he tends to be very level (at least on camera-who knows in the locker room). We get an idea in our head of how a person should be without even knowing the real them.
So reading this, Kerr believes that because Curry is "MVP of the league" he should get special treatment and should not be called for fouls because of that? Cause that's BS right there.
That's the way I first took it to from what I read, but there is more to the quote than ESPN had and I don't really care enough to go look for a transcript of the entire interview. The quote (what I posted) that's being reported really makes it sound like special treatment, which is why I was surprised. I'm sure as Sunday gets closer, the comments will be discussed.
I'm currently at my mother's taking care of her post surgery and she doesn't have cable (yikes) and the four channels she has will not be discussing it. I've just been reading stuff on Twitter and news sites. I told my husband that I would probably go over our data plan this month or go insane sitting here for four days. At least the game was on ABC so I could watch!
This is also a benefit for the Timberwolves being my team- I never have to worry about finals stress!
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jun 17, 2016 22:08:38 GMT
You're right, context is important and I missed it because I only had this info from ESPN:
"He had every right to be upset. He's the MVP of the league. He gets six fouls called on him, three of them were absolutely ridiculous," Kerr said. "He steals the ball from Kyrie [Irving] clean at one point. LeBron [James] flops on the last one. [Referee] Jason Phillips falls for that -- for a flop. As the MVP of the league, we're talking about these touch fouls in the NBA Finals.
"Let me be clear: We did not lose because of the officiating. They totally outplayed us, and Cleveland deserved to win. But those three of the six fouls were incredibly inappropriate calls for anybody, much less the MVP of the league."
They don't have the beginning part with him referencing the grabbing. I didn't realize there was a longer quote. I do think he tried to make it better at the end by saying they didn't lose because of the officiating. Steve Kerr was my favorite player back when he was in the league. My husband would watch Bulls games for Jordan and I'd watch for Kerr. His three pointers were amazing at that time period of the league. I often wonder how he would do in the league as it is today- a much faster pace. I just didn't expect the poor Steph comments from him because he tends to be very level (at least on camera-who knows in the locker room). We get an idea in our head of how a person should be without even knowing the real them.
So reading this, Kerr believes that because Curry is "MVP of the league" he should get special treatment and should not be called for fouls because of that? Cause that's BS right there. <Sigh> I don't think that was what he was saying at all. But believe what you want. Let's just say that come Sunday night one set of fans is going to be really sad.
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Post by dewryce on Jun 18, 2016 0:17:28 GMT
It's actually pretty common for the more prominent/star players in the league to get preferential treatment when it comes to fouls. I'm not saying it is right, but it is widespread. I appreciate that Kerr said that the refs did not cost them the game and owned that they were outplayed, it really bothers me when teams and coaches keep blaming the refs. And that's not to say that they can't and don't sometimes hugely influence a game (they're called Thunderefs around here for a reason LOL), but quit your whining. Not *you* but the players and coaches. If you feel there was a real issue handle it through the proper channels and not the press.
I think that the signs came about so quickly for LeBron because he has been known to "whine" about things. If it was an uncommon occurrence it probably wouldn't have been a big deal. That being said, as amazing of a player as he is and there is no doubting that, I am not a big fan because of things he has said off the court. It pains me because I would love for the city of Cleveland and their fans to have the win.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 18, 2016 0:40:20 GMT
I think people labeled him a "whiner" for the same reasons people are upset with the foul/no fouls on Curry. There have been games where LeBron et al were mauled by other teams, including GSW last year! Heck we lost 2-3 players in the play offs last year because of rough play!
Watching the games this and last year, even my hubby said that it looks like street fighting at times.
As for Kerr's comments, in context, it still makes no sense that he had to keep repeating "he's the MVP" so what!? If Curry (or any other player for that matter) kept fouling or even making moves (he was grabby and slappy last night) that were or could be questionable, the refs were probably watching him because he's a prominent player!
If you look at the foul calls and the points by quarter, they were down by 20 in the first quarter-the simply got out played!
I'll only be sad if the CAV's lose because they played poorly. Otherwise the game will go to whichever team played the hardest and best on that given day.
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Post by J u l e e on Jun 20, 2016 1:13:57 GMT
Holy cow, Draymond Green!!!
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Post by debmast on Jun 20, 2016 1:16:52 GMT
Do the refs not know Curry is the MVP? Three fouls on the MVP in the first half?
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Post by ntsf on Jun 20, 2016 1:46:26 GMT
go warriors....get back in front
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Post by tenacious on Jun 20, 2016 1:58:55 GMT
Glad to see that Curry is playing a bit better today. Anyone's game at this point....Go Dubs!!!
Erin
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