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Post by izzyscraps on Jun 5, 2016 16:47:27 GMT
What do you believe in? If anything.
This is just my own curiously. I don't want things to get ugly. It's just a this is what I believe in. Not a thread to try to persuade others or belittle one for what they do or do not believe in.
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Post by utmr on Jun 5, 2016 16:51:13 GMT
Why do you have to believe in "anything"? Things just are. There is nothing to "believe in", it just is. I think that's scary and people need to believe in a man behind the curtain pulling the levers. The idea of randomness is frightening to them.
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Post by padresfan619 on Jun 5, 2016 16:52:30 GMT
I believe in myself as a person who controls their own destiny through my decisions.
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Post by JBeans on Jun 5, 2016 16:56:15 GMT
I believe there is something, just not in the "ultimate being" sense. It is something so intricate that I can't begin to understand it.
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Post by Citygirl on Jun 5, 2016 16:58:04 GMT
Flying Spaghetti Monster
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 16:59:12 GMT
I believe in myself as a person who controls their own destiny through my decisions. Same for me. I also believe in God, but am not religious.
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Post by chaosisapony on Jun 5, 2016 16:59:29 GMT
I don't believe in anything. I think life is what it is, there is no big plan or being behind it all. My coworker and I had this discussion not long ago and she was horrified that I don't believe in an after life. I think that when you die, you just die.
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Post by MsKnit on Jun 5, 2016 17:01:25 GMT
I don't believe in anything. I think life is what it is, there is no big plan or being behind it all. My coworker and I had this discussion not long ago and she was horrified that I don't believe in an after life. I think that when you die, you just die. minus the coworker discussion.
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Post by J u l e e on Jun 5, 2016 17:02:11 GMT
I believe in myself as a person who controls their own destiny through my decisions. This is a beautiful way to simply state your own beliefs. Why do you have to believe in "anything"? Things just are. There is nothing to "believe in", it just is. I think that's scary and people need to believe in a man behind the curtain pulling the levers. The idea of randomness is frightening to them. This just belittles someone else's beliefs and assumes a (rather insulting) reason for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 17:03:19 GMT
Nothing in a religious sense, never felt the need to even as a child who others tried to convince otherwise.
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Post by paperaddictedpea on Jun 5, 2016 17:06:23 GMT
I believe in myself as a person who controls their own destiny through my decisions. This is what I believe.
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Post by laureljean on Jun 5, 2016 17:07:12 GMT
It depends on the definition of "God", I guess. I suspect everyone's definition is different, both between people and individually as life progresses.
My definition at this stage in my life is much different that say, even 10 years ago, and it will never be the same as DH's or my brother's, for example.
I think that the differing understandings and terminology we have makes these conversations difficult, but at the same time, very rich.
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Post by Zee on Jun 5, 2016 17:09:26 GMT
I'm agnostic, rather than atheist, so I'm not going to say there is or isn't a God. I don't really care, to be honest. I'll find out when I die, or I won't...I don't stress about those things and I don't need a belief in a higher power.
My husband is an atheist, which to me is almost like being religious. He's VERY sure that there is no God and when you die, that's all there is. He argues with me when I tell him he doesn't really know what happens after death, he just blindly believes that to be true.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 17:12:03 GMT
I believe in good and evil, that there's a balance between them. I believe there are forces at work that we'll never truly understand but to go as far as to call it God? No. I don't believe it's one entity.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 5, 2016 17:13:20 GMT
I don't believe nor disbelieve. I don't see the point. Organized religion, to me, is just plain evil. My code of ethics is mine alone and my locus of control is internal.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 5, 2016 17:17:36 GMT
I wouldn't quite call myself an atheist and I would never argue there isn't some kind of creative force behind the existence of our universe. But I don't believe in the Judeo-Christian God our culture has created, or any God-like figure from other belief systems. (On the other hand, I do like church. I know, I'm weird.) What I "believe in," if you want to call it that, is nature and science. I believe in evolution. I don't worry about whether evolution was set in motion by a higher power or not.
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Post by gar on Jun 5, 2016 17:22:27 GMT
I mostly go by what science shows me to be factual. I have room for the possibility that there may be things we don't understand yet and I am open to spirituality, but not God, I don't see the need to just believe in something like that.
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Post by cmpeter on Jun 5, 2016 17:23:36 GMT
Ditto (also minus the co-worker discussion, because I don't have discussions about religion or god with folks IRL).
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Post by mzza111 on Jun 5, 2016 17:24:58 GMT
Organized religion, to me, is just plain evil. A million times this! That pretty much sums it up for me.
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Post by gar on Jun 5, 2016 17:28:24 GMT
I have to agree that organised religion has a lot to answer for and imo, has created so much division and hatred and all that goes with that.
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Post by stittsygirl on Jun 5, 2016 17:28:48 GMT
I'm another who doesn't feel a need to believe in some sort of supernatural entity controlling things here on this planet, nor am I mentally able to believe anymore. If there is such a being, then he/she/it is doing a pretty shitty job of it overall, imo. I do believe that personal choices and random luck, good or bad, determines what happens in our lives. I found when I stopped believing in an afterlife, I came to appreciate this life and the world and people around me so much more. I don't need a belief in god to get through the bad stuff, but I understand the comfort it brings to many who do believe in god, and don't begrudge anyone that. Just don't use your (general you) religious beliefs to try to make laws to force others to live by that fall outside The Golden Rule, or oppress others, and it's all good .
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Post by grammadee on Jun 5, 2016 17:32:45 GMT
My vision of the benevolent Spirit is one of a caring parent, who created us, wants the best for us, but lets us do our own thing. One who cheers us, comforts us, cries for us when we make a mistake, once in awhile swoops in to save us from disaster. One who sees the good in us, even when it's hard to see it ourselves.
But not a Being who has time or patience for petty entreaties to "please help me pass this test", or "win this contest", or "get those new shoes". Not a Being that punishes people who don't pray the right way or use the right words or perform particular rituals.
I believe this Spirit is the basis for all the world's religions, and that our differences in belief are the result of different interpretations of the same Diety. I don't believe any of these interpretations is necessarily wrong, just different from the others. Maybe incomplete. We can only know the whole of it after this life. Guess we will know for sure when this life ends...
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Post by christine58 on Jun 5, 2016 17:48:28 GMT
Why do you have to believe in "anything"? Things just are. There is nothing to "believe in", it just is. I think that's scary and people need to believe in a man behind the curtain pulling the levers. The idea of randomness is frightening to them. Well there goes the idea that we could have an adult conversation. You could have stopped at the end of your second sentence.
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Post by PNWMom on Jun 5, 2016 17:50:30 GMT
I believe in science. I believe in me. I believe that I am in charge of me, and no one else is going to determine the path of my life. I was agnostic until a few years ago (was actually raised Mormon), but am now firmly, devoutly atheistic. The turning point for me (one of a few) was when I got cancer. And learned that I had a genetic defect that caused it. I took so much comfort in the fact that there was a scientific explanation for why I had cancer. No one was doing this to me; no one was picking on me; this wasn't punishment for something I have done--it was just a gene defect because I lost the genetic lottery.
Also, I love someone who was tortured as a child for ten years by a parent who should have loved them. I have no interest in believing in a god who would allow that to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 17:55:14 GMT
I'm another who doesn't feel a need to believe in some sort of supernatural entity controlling things here on this planet, nor am I mentally able to believe anymore. If there is such a being, then he/she/it is doing a pretty shitty job of it overall, imo. I do believe that personal choices and random luck, good or bad, determines what happens in our lives. I found when I stopped believing in an afterlife, I came to appreciate this life and the world and people around me so much more. I don't need a belief in god to get through the bad stuff, but I understand the comfort it brings to many who do believe in god, and don't begrudge anyone that. Just don't use your (general you) religious beliefs to try to make laws to force others to live by that fall outside The Golden Rule, or oppress others, and it's all good . I agree 100% with everything that stittsygirl said, and really couldn't say it any better, so I'm just going to slap up a and
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Post by Amelia Bedelia on Jun 5, 2016 17:58:05 GMT
I believe in science. I also I believe in me I'm always curious when people ask questions like this, why did they choose the god they believe in. How did they come to that decision? Is it just what they grew up with or did they investigate other options and choose one? I was raised with religion. I had some bad experiences at the hands of people who were godly. I tried to believe, and explored other options before becoming comfortable with the fact that I just can't believe in an all powerful being who allows bad things to be done in his name.
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Post by scrapbookwriter on Jun 5, 2016 18:08:48 GMT
My husband is an atheist, which to me is almost like being religious. He's VERY sure that there is no God and when you die, that's all there is. He argues with me when I tell him he doesn't really know what happens after death, he just blindly believes that to be true. I completely agree! To me it seems that an atheist is taking a lot on faith. I have tried to express this idea before but did it poorly. You said this so well! As for me, I do believe in God. I do not have a perfect faith but I have a belief, a trust. I also believe God allows nature to take its course, allows us to make our own mistakes, and allows natural consequences to follow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 18:25:08 GMT
I believe in science. I also I believe in me I'm always curious when people ask questions like this, why did they choose the god they believe in. How did they come to that decision? Is it just what they grew up with or did they investigate other options and choose one? I was raised with religion. I had some bad experiences at the hands of people who were godly. I tried to believe, and explored other options before becoming comfortable with the fact that I just can't believe in an all powerful being who allows bad things to be done in his name. Same here I tried really hard to believe in the religious dogma that was forced on me as a child. It never felt right or true. Never. I also had bad experiences at the hands of people who thought they were "godly" or good Christians. This particular religion is not mainstream at all; and while I wanted to believe in God for a while after breaking away as a teenager, all the early and intense conditioning I had been subjected to just kept getting in the way. I started investigating options, and while there are lots of individual things about many religions I like and could even agree with, I've come to the belief that organized religion just gets in the way of spirituality and humanity. I'm not going to try and convince people that they don't need religion, and I sure would appreciate that same courtesy from religious people in return.
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Post by rainangel on Jun 5, 2016 18:27:29 GMT
I believe that nature happened? And I am a product of nature? My ancestors did the natural thing and had sex, making more humans. I was one of thoes humans eventually. I am part of nature. It is a part of nature to be born, live for a while on this planet, and then I will die. Like everything else in nature.
To me personally, any belief in any gods (albeit a fascinating phenomena) is just a story humans make up to make themselves feel better, to try to explain the things around them, to give them hope, or to opress others to gain personal power.
How come nobody believes in the ancient Egyptian gods anymore? They were believed in for thousands of years, but now people believe in Allah or the christian God. Why??
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Post by miominmio on Jun 5, 2016 18:39:56 GMT
I believe in the gods, and I believe that our belief in them keeps them alive. While I certainly believe that humans to some degree have invented religion, the need in (many of) us to believe in higher beings leads me to have faith in that they exist. Yes, I believe that Odin, Tyr, Frøya and the rest of the gods exist, and that they sometimes decide to walk among us or influence our lives, I also believe that we as humans have a free will. Contrary to what christians believe, I do not believe in "good" or "evil" (with the exception that we humans have the choice between the two, and sometimes we chose evil), my gods aren't necessarily "good" at all times, and the "jotner" aren't evil. Both are necessary for the world to be in balance.
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