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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 22:00:40 GMT
And you know this 100% how? Personal emails are different than personal server - yet Jeb Bush had the same as Hillary from 1999-2007 as governor. (from politifact) And several more have personal email accounts. How do I know Hillary's predecessors did not have a private server? It's been investigated and proven false. Politifact has an article on it and it's been linked here more than a few times. Jeb Bush has never been Secretary of State, which is her claim, that "her predecessors all did what she did. Yet not a single one of them has ever had a private server and only one used a private email address some of the time. She lied, or at the very least very deceitfully relied on a sliver of truth to make her claim, while ignoring the rest of -the bigger part of- the truth, to deceive the public. She's sneaky and deceitful and many times an outright liar who doubles down on the lie even when proven to be a lie.
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Post by carhoch on Jun 8, 2016 22:01:45 GMT
And you know this 100% how? Personal emails are different than personal server - yet Jeb Bush had the same as Hillary from 1999-2007 as governor. (from politifact) And several more have personal email accounts. How do I know Hillary's predecessors did not have a private server? It's been investigated and proven false. Politifact has an article on it and it's been linked here more than a few times. Jeb Bush has never been Secretary of State, which is her claim, that "her predecessors all did what she did. Yet not a single one of them has ever had a private server and only one used a private email address some of the time. She lied, or at the very least very deceitfully relied on a sliver of truth to make her claim, while ignoring the rest of -the bigger part of- the truth, to deceive the public. She's sneaky and deceitful and many times an outright liar who doubles down on the lie even when proven to be a lie. But I would like to know does it bother you to know that Trump is a racist and that his university was a sham or do you just focus on the flaws of Hillary ?
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Post by carhoch on Jun 8, 2016 22:04:18 GMT
Like I said to Lauren there is nothing that Hillary can do to make me vote for Trump and there's nothing That Trump can say or do to make you vote for Hillary . I've said it before but I feel like I have to keep saying it... I'm not a Trump supporter. With Trump, his assholery is right out there for you to see. With Hillary, she's more deceitful in her assholiness and die hard Hillary supporters don't care to look beyond her current words to see the truth behind her. But you were still going to vote for him right ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 22:07:47 GMT
How do I know Hillary's predecessors did not have a private server? It's been investigated and proven false. Politifact has an article on it and it's been linked here more than a few times. Jeb Bush has never been Secretary of State, which is her claim, that "her predecessors all did what she did. Yet not a single one of them has ever had a private server and only one used a private email address some of the time. She lied, or at the very least very deceitfully relied on a sliver of truth to make her claim, while ignoring the rest of -the bigger part of- the truth, to deceive the public. She's sneaky and deceitful and many times an outright liar who doubles down on the lie even when proven to be a lie. Funny, it's never the lie that is repeatedly posted that's considered "beating a dead horse", only the facts that dispute the lie.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 22:11:33 GMT
How do I know Hillary's predecessors did not have a private server? It's been investigated and proven false. Politifact has an article on it and it's been linked here more than a few times. Jeb Bush has never been Secretary of State, which is her claim, that "her predecessors all did what she did. Yet not a single one of them has ever had a private server and only one used a private email address some of the time. She lied, or at the very least very deceitfully relied on a sliver of truth to make her claim, while ignoring the rest of -the bigger part of- the truth, to deceive the public. She's sneaky and deceitful and many times an outright liar who doubles down on the lie even when proven to be a lie. But I would like to know does it bother you to know that Trump is a racist and that his university was a sham or do you just focus on the flaws of Hillary ? Trump bothers me a lot, but his bullshit is covered quite well here. Anytime Hillary's bullshit is mentioned it's always "yes, but it's okay because..." or "it doesn't count because...".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 22:14:10 GMT
I've said it before but I feel like I have to keep saying it... I'm not a Trump supporter. With Trump, his assholery is right out there for you to see. With Hillary, she's more deceitful in her assholiness and die hard Hillary supporters don't care to look beyond her current words to see the truth behind her. But you were still going to vote for him right ? No. Are you still going to vote for Hillary even though she's just as sleazy as he is, but hides it better? ETA: well sort of hides it better. The FBI is investigating her to find out just how sleazy she's been.
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Post by carhoch on Jun 8, 2016 22:16:14 GMT
But I would like to know does it bother you to know that Trump is a racist and that his university was a sham or do you just focus on the flaws of Hillary ? Trump bothers me a lot, but his bullshit is covered quite well here. Anytime Hillary's bullshit is mentioned it's always "yes, but it's okay because..." or "it doesn't count because...". Her bullshit is covered quite well too you make sure of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 22:19:05 GMT
Trump bothers me a lot, but his bullshit is covered quite well here. Anytime Hillary's bullshit is mentioned it's always "yes, but it's okay because..." or "it doesn't count because...". Her bullshit is covered quite well too you make sure of it. I'm not alone and it's good to hear both sides. Makes for a more informed opinion.
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Post by carhoch on Jun 8, 2016 22:20:10 GMT
But you were still going to vote for him right ? No. Are you still going to vote for Hillary even though she's just as sleazy as he is, but hides it better?[/quote I honestly don't think the email is such a big deal I really don't .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 22:26:37 GMT
No. Are you still going to vote for Hillary even though she's just as sleazy as he is, but hides it better?[/quote
I honestly don't think the email is such a big deal I really don't .It looks like carhoch said this and it won't let me put my response in the proper place so I'll just title it that I said it... Gia LuPeaA SAID -Do you care that her email has proven she put lives at risk and national security? Do you care that her emails prove that she disregards the rules that are put in place to keep us safe? The first and most important priority of the president of the United States is to protect the safety and security of Americans. Her actions show that's a low priority for her. Do you really want to put someone in charge who's shown she doesn't give 2 shits about your security?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 22:30:14 GMT
Funny, it's never the lie that is repeatedly posted that's considered "beating a dead horse", only the facts that dispute the lie. Keep telling yourself that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 22:35:54 GMT
Funny, it's never the lie that is repeatedly posted that's considered "beating a dead horse", only the facts that dispute the lie. Keep telling yourself that. Well if you can show me where you've (or anyone) posted the dead horse on the repeated lie, I'll stop "telling myself that."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 22:36:07 GMT
You mean like Petraeus did do when he gave his note books, that included names of covert operatives, to his mistress/biographer ? And how the Bush Administration outed Valerie Plame ? Years ago members of the Senate released names of CIA operatives. I just remember this from my youth. Seems we have quite a history of doing it.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 8, 2016 22:49:44 GMT
You mean like Petraeus did do when he gave his note books, that included names of covert operatives, to his mistress/biographer ? And how the Bush Administration outed Valerie Plame ? Years ago members of the Senate released names of CIA operatives. I just remember this from my youth. Seems we have quite a history of doing it. Big effing difference, krazy...Patraeous, Bush Administration, and the Senate knew they outed those people...Clinton isn't sure if she accidentally did or didn't. She may have, she might not have...point is, it wasn't in her control - or the government's control. It was just...hanging out there...you know, for anyone to see.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 23:16:01 GMT
You mean like Petraeus did do when he gave his note books, that included names of covert operatives, to his mistress/biographer ? And how the Bush Administration outed Valerie Plame ? Years ago members of the Senate released names of CIA operatives. I just remember this from my youth. Seems we have quite a history of doing it. Big effing difference, krazy...Patraeous, Bush Administration, and the Senate knew they outed those people...Clinton isn't sure if she accidentally did or didn't. She may have, she might not have...point is, it wasn't in her control - or the government's control. It was just...hanging out there...you know, for anyone to see. I'm going to ponder this for a bit.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 8, 2016 23:22:32 GMT
You mean like Petraeus did do when he gave his note books, that included names of covert operatives, to his mistress/biographer ? And how the Bush Administration outed Valerie Plame ? Years ago members of the Senate released names of CIA operatives. I just remember this from my youth. Seems we have quite a history of doing it. Big effing difference, krazy...Patraeous, Bush Administration, and the Senate knew they outed those people...Clinton isn't sure if she accidentally did or didn't. She may have, she might not have...point is, it wasn't in her control - or the government's control. It was just...hanging out there...you know, for anyone to see. Just so that I can get a grip on this conversation - it's worse when it is possibly done by accident through incompetence than doing it through premeditated purpose?
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 8, 2016 23:37:28 GMT
I'm not sure why Petraeus was brought into this discussion as a "he also did it" excuse. We are talking about the guy forced to resign and CONVICTED of unauthorized handling of classified information (of course he accepted a plea deal but still had to pay a fine and serve probation). I'm pretty sure that's not a comparison Hillary Clinton is looking for krazyscrapper
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 8, 2016 23:53:14 GMT
Big effing difference, krazy...Patraeous, Bush Administration, and the Senate knew they outed those people...Clinton isn't sure if she accidentally did or didn't. She may have, she might not have...point is, it wasn't in her control - or the government's control. It was just...hanging out there...you know, for anyone to see. Just so that I can get a grip on this conversation - it's worse when it is possibly done by accident through incompetence than doing it through premeditated purpose? It's ALL wrong. The point is, we don't even know what damage has been done with Hillary's emails/server. The damage was discovered and dealt with in the other mentioned instances...with Hillary - no one knows, yet.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 9, 2016 0:13:29 GMT
To answer the ops question, nope. But totally laughing that they decided to release them on a day that doesn't exist. Maybe November 31st was more polite than the "25th of never"?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 0:56:50 GMT
I'm not sure why Petraeus was brought into this discussion as a "he also did it" excuse. We are talking about the guy forced to resign and CONVICTED of unauthorized handling of classified information (of course he accepted a plea deal but still had to pay a fine and serve probation). I'm pretty sure that's not a comparison Hillary Clinton is looking for krazyscrapper It's not that he also did it it's how he did it. There is a difference and it is he intended to release classified information when he made the decision to give his mistress/biographer his notebooks that resulted in him being charged with a misdemeanor. A misdemeanor for deliberately giving a third party classified information. Hillary's choice to use a private server was not made with the intent to put our security/her emails at risk. Especially since her privacy was one of the core reasons she decided to use her own server. We still don't how unsecured this server of hers was. People are just assuming that because it was her private server it was automatically unsecured and at risk. However when this first started I read she used the server set up for her husband the ex president of the US. Now I can't see any ex president of the US having a server that didn't have more security then the average private server. Actually I would imagine anyone who wanted to keep their privacy, with money, would have a pretty secured server. That is why they have a private server. Anyway the key word in this mess is "intent". Petraeus made the intentional decision to release classified information. Bush & Co made the intentional decision to out active undercover CIA operative Valerie Plame. Hillary Clinton did not make the decision to use a private server for government emails with the intent to put the country's national security at risk. Bone head move, yes but not with the intent to release classified information. There is a difference.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 9, 2016 1:01:24 GMT
hmmm let's see.
Who would I rather have as President?
Woman who uses personal server for emails or man who ridicules people with disabilities.
One of these actions is despicable, the other is not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 2:09:29 GMT
hmmm let's see. Who would I rather have as President? Woman who uses personal server for emails deliberately stopped aides from sending documents securely and had them send classified documents through an unsecured process, put lives and national security at risk or man who ridicules people with disabilities. One of these actions is despicable, the other is not. They are both despicable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 2:19:30 GMT
You mean like Petraeus did do when he gave his note books, that included names of covert operatives, to his mistress/biographer ? And how the Bush Administration outed Valerie Plame ? Years ago members of the Senate released names of CIA operatives. I just remember this from my youth. Seems we have quite a history of doing it. Big effing difference, krazy...Patraeous, Bush Administration, and the Senate knew they outed those people...Clinton isn't sure if she accidentally did or didn't. She may have, she might not have...point is, it wasn't in her control - or the government's control. It was just...hanging out there...you know, for anyone to see. As I have already posted the key word is "intent" She didn't decide to use a personal server with the intent to put her emails at risk. She made a mistake. Like the rest of us she is human and like the rest of us humans she made a mistake. Government officials, from the president on down, make mistakes of varying degrees everyday and we may not know the ramifications of these mistakes for years. Side note years ago I took an Errors & Omission class and what stuck with me is something I do today could manifest itself into a potential claim 5-6 years down the road. That is a fact of life. We know what mistake Hillary made and I disagree with you it's "just out there". They know what information is on those emails and if need be can mitigate any potential problem. Unlike other mistakes made by others now or last year that may lie dormant for years until they surface when they pose an actual threat. Its because of the lack of intent in her mistake and the fact of all the candidates she is the most qualified I have no problem supporting her. Do I wish the Democrats had run another candidate with Hillary's qualifications? Yes because this mistake is a distraction and the Democrats need to keep the White House if for no other reason the potential Supreme Court nominations in the next term. Nothing in life is just black and white or right and wrong. Too many variables which means you have to look at the big picture. I have and when I consider my choices Hillary is the one I'm going with. And I'm ok with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 2:55:52 GMT
Big effing difference, krazy...Patraeous, Bush Administration, and the Senate knew they outed those people...Clinton isn't sure if she accidentally did or didn't. She may have, she might not have...point is, it wasn't in her control - or the government's control. It was just...hanging out there...you know, for anyone to see. As I have already posted the key word is "intent" She didn't decide to use a personal server with the intent to put her emails at risk. She made a mistake. Like the rest of us she is human and like the rest of us humans she made a mistake. Government officials, from the president on down, make mistakes of varying degrees everyday and we may not know the ramifications of these mistakes for years. Side note years ago I took an Errors & Omission class and what stuck with me is something I do today could manifest itself into a potential claim 5-6 years down the road. That is a fact of life. We know what mistake Hillary made and I disagree with you it's "just out there". They know what information is on those emails and if need be can mitigate any potential problem. Unlike other mistakes made by others now or last year that may lie dormant for years until they surface when they pose an actual threat. Its because of the lack of intent in her mistake and the fact of all the candidates she is the most qualified I have no problem supporting her. Do I wish the Democrats had run another candidate with Hillary's qualifications? Yes because this mistake is a distraction and the Democrats need to keep the White House if for no other reason the potential Supreme Court nominations in the next term. Nothing in life is just black and white or right and wrong. Too many variables which means you have to look at the big picture. I have and when I consider my choices Hillary is the one I'm going with. And I'm ok with it. It goes beyond a mistake and she has clearly shown intent. She deliberately stopped aides from sending documents securely and had them send classified documents through an unsecured process, she deliberately violated State Department record keeping rules, and she deliberately deleted documents AFTER a federal request for them (documents that weren't personal). As I said early on, nobody deletes innocent documents if they want to prove their transparency.
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Post by lumo on Jun 9, 2016 3:05:20 GMT
To the op, nope. Not a bit.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 9, 2016 13:57:07 GMT
hmmm let's see. Who would I rather have as President? Woman who uses personal server for emails deliberately stopped aides from sending documents securely and had them send classified documents through an unsecured process, put lives and national security at risk or man who ridicules people with disabilities. One of these actions is despicable, the other is not. They are both despicable. No only one of them has shown himself to be a despicable human being. And to ignore him when he shows his true self is to be despicable as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 16:40:01 GMT
They are both despicable. No only one of them has shown himself to be a despicable human being. The truth is, they're both despicable. One of them talks at a 3rd grade level and is just more obvious about it, so you can't miss it if you wanted to. The other is more sneaky, devious, scheming, underhanded and shifty about it and requires you to look at the facts as opposed to relying only on what she tells you. For some reason that's something some people either aren't capable of doing or they just don't want to. It's impossible to ignore him, he talks at level of understanding that even a 6 year can't miss. Who the hell is ignoring him?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 17:26:54 GMT
The other is more sneaky, devious, scheming, underhanded and shifty about it and requires you to look at the facts as opposed to relying only on what she tells you. For some reason that's something some people either aren't capable of doing or they just don't want to. Who would rely on what anybody says, especially political figures, without checking the facts? How stupid is that? And yet you want some to believe you when you rattle off your familiar rant of "Hillary is sneaky, devious, scheming, underhanded, and shifty" having never provided solid facts to back up your rants. Go figure. Yes yes I know you will come back and respond "but but I have provided facts and you are ignoring them". Whatever. But you need to ask yourself when you claim you have provided facts have you actually presented a case based on solid facts or manufactured facts that fit your beliefs. Personally I have decided I really no longer care what you and others say about Hillary, President Obama, and Liberals in general. I have decided Democrats believe as I do and Hillary, Sanders, & President Obama have and continue to work for the best interest of this country. And I will continue to support them warts and all. If others agree great. If not that is their choice. Which reminds me it time to start donating to Hillary's campaign now that she is the presumptive Democratic nominee for President.
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