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Post by shescrafty on Jun 11, 2016 21:46:53 GMT
My son plays on a baseball team. Tonight is the first night of their playoffs.
The team that they are playing does not have enough players. They asked if they could borrow four or five players from other teams in the league. They had to do this before and ended up getting the best pitcher and best hitters from other teams and used them in their game. They ended up beating us that night.
They asked us again if they could borrow kids from other teams. Our coach said yes but asked that they not be put in key positions like pitcher, catcher, and shortstop. He wanted to play the other team – not the other team and really the best players in their key positions. We have borrowed players before but our coach makes it a point never put them in those 3 positions (or 1st base which he did not ask for).
The other coach waited until an hour before the game and said that he would put the kids wherever he wanted. So basically he is going to play these really good players in their best positions. It is almost like we are playing in All-Star team (because they have the best players from multiple other teams) in the playoffs instead of playing a true team match.
if our coach wants he can force a forfeit from the other team for not having enough players. So what say the peas? Does our coach have the right to ask the other coach to not play kids that are not really on his team In key positions?
on one hand I feel like it's not a big deal. We win and we lose in the grand scheme of life who cares. On the other hand this is not an All-Star game and I feel like it should be as fair as it can be. They do a huge tryout at the beginning of the year and make sure that all the teams are fair. I feel like if they do that than the continuity should continue into the playoffs
UPDATE : WE WON 16-6!!!!!! Just heard from my DH.
our son had some awesome plays and our team played hard. YES!!!!!!
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Post by valleyview on Jun 11, 2016 21:50:03 GMT
It seems like it should be a forfeit. When my boys played ball, a team that was short had to borrow from younger teams. That's crazy to let a team have your best players!
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Post by mikklynn on Jun 11, 2016 21:51:31 GMT
IMO, they should forfeit. It's not fair to pick and choose substitute players.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 11, 2016 21:59:16 GMT
They don't agree to the terms as set out, they forfeit the game.
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Post by deshacrafts on Jun 11, 2016 22:04:30 GMT
Forfeit, it's a playoff game. It's not fair to lose to a loaded team.
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Post by janeliz on Jun 11, 2016 22:07:03 GMT
Beggars can't be choosers. Especially in a playoff game. We had teams (softball) borrow other players during the season, but the agreement was usually that the borrowed players played in the outfield.
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Post by shescrafty on Jun 11, 2016 22:32:13 GMT
My husband is not the coach of our team but helps the coach. Our coach wanted to play and since the commissioner did not specifically email the other coach and back our coach they are playing. Fingers crossed that we can still pull it off! It will be an awesome victory.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 11, 2016 22:41:39 GMT
I would say that the other team needs to agree or forfeit.
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Post by cycworker on Jun 11, 2016 22:42:37 GMT
That is ridiculous. If you don't have enough players for a playoff game, you forfeit.
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Post by monklady123 on Jun 11, 2016 22:43:22 GMT
I think that should be a forfeit. What's to stop a coach from asking kids to stay home then claiming they don't have enough players so they have to borrow the good ones from other teams? We all know that some coaches and parents are crazy and I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that someone would do that.
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Post by gritzi on Jun 11, 2016 22:54:20 GMT
The other team needs to forfeit. Did I read correctly that this team has done this previously? If so, perhaps it's a pattern, esp when it's a tournament (win a trophy time).
With our sport if a team shows up w/fewer players, the coach can ask the other coach to play w/less numbers on the field. The coach has no obligation to agree. If they don't agree the other team must play w/the kids who showed up that day.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 11, 2016 23:02:43 GMT
How unfair! That coach is doing a disservice to the kids on his team who show up--he's putting the borrowed in the best positions just to win, instead of playing his own kids!
What an asshat!
I cannot believe that the league allows it!
Talk about "ringers" geez!
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Post by TankTop on Jun 11, 2016 23:07:17 GMT
Not fair and not right. It should be a forfeit or expo game with your team taking the win regardless.
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Post by craftsbycarolyn on Jun 11, 2016 23:19:35 GMT
Nope. Should be a forfeit. But if both teams want to play, the other team should have to play his extras in the outfield.
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Post by shescrafty on Jun 11, 2016 23:21:16 GMT
I saw an email from the commissioner. Since there are not rules specifically stating you cannot do that then he says the other coach can put kids in where he wants.
So ugly but since our coach had agreed to the borrowed players before (with the caveat that they could not be in key positions) he can't go back now. All the other coach is doing is ensuring that any other team he plays will insist on a forfeit.
Apparently our team has 48 hours to file a grievance but I don't know if our coach will push it. Lesson learned I guess!
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Post by littlemama on Jun 11, 2016 23:21:20 GMT
It is a forfeit and chances are your league does not allow a player to be registered on two different teams. Your coach should not have granted "permission" for the other coach to use other teams' players. How does your coach know that the other coach isn't intentionally shorthanded so that he can use these better players?
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Post by peasapie on Jun 11, 2016 23:32:00 GMT
There is no way I'd agree to playing a patchwork substitute team made up of star players unless they wore blindfolds.
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Post by Jili on Jun 11, 2016 23:42:02 GMT
It is a forfeit and chances are your league does not allow a player to be registered on two different teams. Your coach should not have granted "permission" for the other coach to use other teams' players. How does your coach know that the other coach isn't intentionally shorthanded so that he can use these better players? I was wondering the same thing. I personally feel that substitutions should be not be permitted at all. |
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jun 11, 2016 23:45:47 GMT
It seems like it should be a forfeit. When my boys played ball, a team that was short had to borrow from younger teams. That's crazy to let a team have your best players! ITA! Does the other coach get to handpick the players he gets? How is he getting the best players from other (your) teams? No, I think if he doesn't have enough players, his team doesn't get to fair. Life doesn't always have to be fair. And just because his team doesn't have enough players shouldn't mean that the teams who do have enough players should be penalized. |
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Post by RosieKat on Jun 11, 2016 23:55:34 GMT
We typically allow sub players if they play outfield in softball. In our league, each team has exactly the needed number of girls, so it's kind of a necessity. We'll also sometimes play a player in the outfield for the team they're playing against (i.e. a "home" player will play in outfield for the "visiting" team). But again, the replacement still doesn't play in a key position - and this is for a rec league.
I'd not want to go along with any replacement requests by this coach this season or ever again. Whether he's doing it on purpose or not, he's been called out on it and isn't willing to "play nice."
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Post by shescrafty on Jun 11, 2016 23:56:53 GMT
The league allows it if the coaches agree. Our coach agreed with the terms that they would not put players in key positions but that is not spelled out in the league rules.
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Post by Outspoken on Jun 12, 2016 0:08:06 GMT
My son is now in high school, but we have seen this situation before. Borrowed players ALWAYS play outfield only and bat the bottom of the order.
In travel baseball, we have loaned our opponent a player just so they would have a complete outfield, but when it came to the batting order, it wa an automatic out.
That coach seems like a rule-breaking bully. And he isn't teaching kids anything.
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Post by GiantsFan on Jun 12, 2016 0:09:07 GMT
I think the other team should have to forfeit. IMO, Your coach shouldn't have agreed. It's a play-off game, and not fair to your team to play an "all-star" team.
I know in the big scheme of things it's just a ball game, but what a bummer for your kids. I hope your team wins!
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Post by RosieKat on Jun 12, 2016 0:13:41 GMT
That's AWESOME! Hah, in your face Cheaty McCheater!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 0:14:22 GMT
Gah. That team should have to forfeit. That coach is an  Adults like this always seem to ruin kids' sports.
Just saw the update. Great news! That coach is still an asshole, though it does make the victory even sweeter.  |
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Post by GiantsFan on Jun 12, 2016 0:15:16 GMT
Great Update! |
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Post by leslie132 on Jun 12, 2016 0:36:49 GMT
My son is 11 and it happens at every age. There is always a coach trying to get over on different teams. Having said that at least your coach now knows the rules and can make different choices next time.
Lastly.......Great job boys!!! Way to stick together and play hard!!!
I always say Swing Hard, Run Fast, Turn Left!!!
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Post by cmhs on Jun 12, 2016 0:54:51 GMT
My DS played baseball for 5 years and we have run into similar situations so I'm really, really happy to read your update!
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jun 12, 2016 1:24:54 GMT
UPDATE : WE WON 16-6!!!!!! Just heard from my DH. our son had some awesome plays and our team played hard. YES!!!!!!   |
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Post by shescrafty on Jun 12, 2016 1:26:24 GMT
My DH said that once our coach started really arguing he backed out of putting the other pitcher in to that position. Also one of the kids in his team that couldn't play miraculously appeared after our coach emailed the commissioner. Hmmmm Also we have a 5 run inning rule and he (the other coach) wanted to waive that that so if his team started hitting really well they could catch up and possibly win. Our coach said no to that! Alls well that ends wel and we continue on to the next round |
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