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Post by deekaye on Jun 29, 2016 1:03:05 GMT
So I'm sure I'm the only one late to the party but.... I just realized that the actress that plays Lolly is the same one who played the younger sister on A League of Their Own!
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Post by myshelly on Jun 29, 2016 1:26:47 GMT
I think part of the reason Poussey's death resonates with the black lives matter movement is -
Look at the parallel between her story and Bailey's
They both got caught trespassing and with small amount of drugs.
Bailey ended up a guard and Poussey ended up an inmate.
They both made the same life choices but still ended up in complete opposite places.
In fact, if you watch carefully Poussey and Bailey pass each other on the street just before Poussey runs into the drag queens. They are both literally in the same place making the same decisions.
But I think they did amazing job of balancing that out with Bailey being the one to kill her.
To me that was a comment that the racism is in the *system* not with the officer. The officer didn't do anything other than his job. He wasn't trying to kill her. He wasn't being viscous or violent or anything else.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 29, 2016 1:35:14 GMT
And I thought Daya's line at the end
"All you COs are pieces of shit"
Was certainly a reference to Bennett.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 29, 2016 2:19:12 GMT
I thought the writing this season was so AMAZING. It was layered and complex and addressed so many current social issues in a way that really made you think.
Rape culture - The guard Coates literally did not even know he raped Pensatucky until she told him. From his point of view it wasn't rape. He was basically the embodiment of rape culture. But he actually listened to her and thought about it and apologized. She wanted to forgive him. That wasn't ok with Boo. So who gets to decide the issue of forgiveness - a rape victim or society at large. What about all the scenes with Nicky and Morales? That situation was getting pretty rapey. Morales repeatedly said no and physically resisted. Nicky kept putting her hand in Nicky's crotch. But we didn't have the same reaction to that we do to the various guard raping an inmate scenes. Why not? What does that say about us? What about Judy and Luschek? He was reluctant and said no, but she jumped on him. If the male/female roles were reversed what would we think?
Mental health - there is no accessible mental health care in this country. We throw mentally ill people in jail and ignore them. And then the facet of Healy himself thinking about suicide because he wanted to help but couldn't.
Corporatization of prisons and how that leads to inhumane treatment and overcrowding because the corporation is lobbying for more prisoners. All of the characters on this show who truly committed petty, small crimes but are in prison when they probably shouldn't be.
The introduction of a homosexual male character who isn't a stereotype, isn't defined by his homosexuality.
Systematic racism - the parallels of Bayley and Poussey as I was saying in my earlier post.
And tons of amazing small details - The flag being upside down during Caputo's call to General Washigton The AR-15 comment
Just a brilliant, brilliant season.
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Post by scrapmaven on Jun 29, 2016 3:05:32 GMT
I am not reading this thread, because I'm only 4 episodes into the season, but I will post and read once done. It's my favorite show.
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Post by annabella on Jun 29, 2016 3:17:53 GMT
So I'm sure I'm the only one late to the party but.... I just realized that the actress that plays Lolly is the same one who played the younger sister on A League of Their Own! I was wondering on the flashback does the same actress play her younger self? With the wig it was hard to tell. Someone on instagram showed a side by side pic of Lolly and Ellen Degenerous and the similarities were uncanny. lol
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Post by deekaye on Jun 29, 2016 17:59:37 GMT
So I'm sure I'm the only one late to the party but.... I just realized that the actress that plays Lolly is the same one who played the younger sister on A League of Their Own! I was wondering on the flashback does the same actress play her younger self? With the wig it was hard to tell. Someone on instagram showed a side by side pic of Lolly and Ellen Degenerous and the similarities were uncanny. lol i actually thought it WAS Ellen, that's why I googled it and found out it was the League actress.
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Post by SabrinaP on Jun 29, 2016 22:21:16 GMT
So I'm sure I'm the only one late to the party but.... I just realized that the actress that plays Lolly is the same one who played the younger sister on A League of Their Own! I was wondering on the flashback does the same actress play her younger self? With the wig it was hard to tell. Someone on instagram showed a side by side pic of Lolly and Ellen Degenerous and the similarities were uncanny. lol According to IMDB, it was a different actress in the flashback scenes.
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Post by tallgirl on Jun 30, 2016 1:37:59 GMT
I was wondering on the flashback does the same actress play her younger self? With the wig it was hard to tell. Someone on instagram showed a side by side pic of Lolly and Ellen Degenerous and the similarities were uncanny. lol According to IMDB, it was a different actress in the flashback scenes. Glad to see this answered - I had the exact same question!
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Post by nicole2112 on Jul 5, 2016 4:09:37 GMT
Wow, I just finished his season tonight and I feel a total tv hangover coming on.
What a season & especially the last 3 episodes. Just wow!
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Post by littlemisssunshine on Jul 5, 2016 11:06:26 GMT
Just finished Season 4 last night. So sad! DD and I teared up several times. We do have a couple of questions though... (Stop here if you don't want a Spoiler...) What happened to Daya's baby daddy? He just seemed to disappear. We found it kind of creepy that Washington, in the "flashback" to her sitting on the riverbank, turns and looks straight at the camera and smiles (this was after we already knew she was dead). What was that all about? No word from Bennett..just let Daya and the baby He didn't just leave. Remember they gave the baby to her mom's boyfriend and Bennett went to the house and the guy was getting french fries for a little girl and she was getting upset and the boyfriend was using a gun on her. Bennett got scared and ran away.
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Post by YooHoot on Jul 5, 2016 11:26:17 GMT
I'm done watching. Ok, what just happened? I feel like the events of the last 2 shows are so out of place with the others. And that there was a political agenda with Poussey's death. But it sure did make me cry! And what was up with Daya? That just seems so out of character for her. She hangs out in the spa one day with some sketchy girls and now she's all gangsta? Are we supposed to think it's postpartum stress? Right?! I was like "where in the hell did that story line come from?". This season sucked. I didn't like this one for some reason. Just a lot of "wtf" moments.
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Post by YooHoot on Jul 5, 2016 11:30:39 GMT
I thought the writing this season was so AMAZING. It was layered and complex and addressed so many current social issues in a way that really made you think. Rape culture - The guard Coates literally did not even know he raped Pensatucky until she told him. From his point of view it wasn't rape. He was basically the embodiment of rape culture. But he actually listened to her and thought about it and apologized. She wanted to forgive him. That wasn't ok with Boo. So who gets to decide the issue of forgiveness - a rape victim or society at large. What about all the scenes with Nicky and Morales? That situation was getting pretty rapey. Morales repeatedly said no and physically resisted. Nicky kept putting her hand in Nicky's crotch. But we didn't have the same reaction to that we do to the various guard raping an inmate scenes. Why not? What does that say about us? What about Judy and Luschek? He was reluctant and said no, but she jumped on him. If the male/female roles were reversed what would we think? Mental health - there is no accessible mental health care in this country. We throw mentally ill people in jail and ignore them. And then the facet of Healy himself thinking about suicide because he wanted to help but couldn't. Corporatization of prisons and how that leads to inhumane treatment and overcrowding because the corporation is lobbying for more prisoners. All of the characters on this show who truly committed petty, small crimes but are in prison when they probably shouldn't be. The introduction of a homosexual male character who isn't a stereotype, isn't defined by his homosexuality. Systematic racism - the parallels of Bayley and Poussey as I was saying in my earlier post. And tons of amazing small details - The flag being upside down during Caputo's call to General Washigton The AR-15 comment Just a brilliant, brilliant season. Damn girl. I guess I should look deeper into these story lines. You make much more sense of it. Thanks!
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Post by gale w on Jul 5, 2016 18:18:40 GMT
No word from Bennett..just let Daya and the baby He didn't just leave. Remember they gave the baby to her mom's boyfriend and Bennett went to the house and the guy was getting french fries for a little girl and she was getting upset and the boyfriend was using a gun on her. Bennett got scared and ran away. He left before the baby was ever born. The plan was to give the baby to pornstache's mother but at the last minute Daya's mom called her sister and she went to the hospital to get the baby.
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Post by littlemisssunshine on Jul 5, 2016 22:42:44 GMT
He didn't just leave. Remember they gave the baby to her mom's boyfriend and Bennett went to the house and the guy was getting french fries for a little girl and she was getting upset and the boyfriend was using a gun on her. Bennett got scared and ran away. He left before the baby was ever born. The plan was to give the baby to pornstache's mother but at the last minute Daya's mom called her sister and she went to the hospital to get the baby. Yeah and then he went to visit and all that stuff happened.
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Post by gale w on Jul 5, 2016 22:49:32 GMT
Bennett visits Cesar in season 3 episode 2. The baby is born in season 3 episode 12.
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Post by annabella on Jul 25, 2016 1:08:56 GMT
Just finished the series, so sad it's over, but hate that it ended on a cliffhanger! Will watch Wentworth next! What happened to Daya's baby daddy? He just seemed to disappear. We found it kind of creepy that Washington, in the "flashback" to her sitting on the riverbank, turns and looks straight at the camera and smiles (this was after we already knew she was dead). What was that all about? I was really upset they went the whole season without Daya even mentioning her baby. I was sad she got influenced by the wrong crowd. I was shocked that her mother was taken in by a woman she shared a man with. lol I read that the flashback was to show how making small decisions can end up with a large consequence. And that maybe she used Lolly's time machine to fix the mistake that got her arrested. She told her friends she wanted to use the last of her weed but then you saw how she gave everyone weed in the club so she must have run out. (I thought the lollypops were going to be drugs.) And that she lived in her fictional world the library, so it would make sense for her to take some magical adventures after going to heaven. I thought it closed the episode nicely seeing her smiling and that she lived a happy full life. I was impressed by the wig she was wearing, the hair really looked like it was growing out of her head. I found it so unrealistic that the prison could wait 24 hours to call the police and morgue. If anything, Caputo would have been found liable by the police for waiting so long. I wished Poussey would have called the number Judy gave her to see if it was real. I also was very moved by Norma singing and rocking Brooke. I thought she was mute- so what was that about?! She's not mute, she spoke for a few episodes. lol I didn't like how so many characters were babying CrazyEyes. This is not the first season where we've seen her act unpredictable and violent. I understand she is mentally challenged, but I'd be scared of her. (would someone actually be sent to prison for trespassing and possession of a small amount of weed?) My city changed the laws last year so that small amounts of weed were okay to be on your possession, so I would guess the answer was yes previously.
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Post by meeko77 on Jul 25, 2016 6:40:38 GMT
I thought the writing this season was so AMAZING. It was layered and complex and addressed so many current social issues in a way that really made you think. Rape culture - The guard Coates literally did not even know he raped Pensatucky until she told him. From his point of view it wasn't rape. He was basically the embodiment of rape culture. But he actually listened to her and thought about it and apologized. She wanted to forgive him. That wasn't ok with Boo. So who gets to decide the issue of forgiveness - a rape victim or society at large. What about all the scenes with Nicky and Morales? That situation was getting pretty rapey. Morales repeatedly said no and physically resisted. Nicky kept putting her hand in Nicky's crotch. But we didn't have the same reaction to that we do to the various guard raping an inmate scenes. Why not? What does that say about us? What about Judy and Luschek? He was reluctant and said no, but she jumped on him. If the male/female roles were reversed what would we think? Mental health - there is no accessible mental health care in this country. We throw mentally ill people in jail and ignore them. And then the facet of Healy himself thinking about suicide because he wanted to help but couldn't. Corporatization of prisons and how that leads to inhumane treatment and overcrowding because the corporation is lobbying for more prisoners. All of the characters on this show who truly committed petty, small crimes but are in prison when they probably shouldn't be. The introduction of a homosexual male character who isn't a stereotype, isn't defined by his homosexuality. Systematic racism - the parallels of Bayley and Poussey as I was saying in my earlier post. And tons of amazing small details - The flag being upside down during Caputo's call to General Washigton The AR-15 comment Just a brilliant, brilliant season. Dang girl! You rock in the details department. One thing I am not seeing though, because I went back to look for it. I am not seeing the upside down flag when Caputo is calling General Washington.
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