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Post by Country Ham on Jun 28, 2016 21:53:36 GMT
Ok color me an idiot but I don't understand all these hug references. ETA: or are the hugs references this threads "spaghettios"? Type in the word a t t a c k, post it and see what happens. Ty and to Lisa. I tried it and it's pretty funny. So does that mean I want to be attacked? Save
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 21:57:28 GMT
I don't think Rainbow is mentally ill but I've heard many of the people who berate her claim that she is. Doesn't that rub you wrong? It does me. Hmmmm. It does bother me when people say, "Your brain is fucked up after you had eye surgery." (To paraphrase). I agree. But the rest of her post is spot on.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 28, 2016 21:57:43 GMT
While Elaine, I certainly remember Kimberly Dobb. I do not recall her harassing you. I do, however, remember a lot of people going after her much in the way they go after rainbow scrapper now
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 28, 2016 22:05:27 GMT
And I'll probably regret this, but there it is. That statement just shuts down any discussion. And intentionally used to shut me up. Congratulations on your open mindedness. The whole idea that some of these people on the left are open-minded is laughable. The only people who are entitled to the tolerance they preach are those they either agree with socially and politically or those whose life styles they agree with. That is the reality although I know that they will defend their close mindedness gleefully while parading others for not being open-minded. It's the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen This is why, in the end, conservative simply stop discussing issues and use their votes to put through their own philosophies. And then they wonder how someone like Donald Trump can rise so far I'm sorry but from what I see as an outsider, at least in the political threads, it is BOTH sides behaving EXACTLY the same way. When it's pointed out, BOTH sides say it's the other one's fault. It's not. It takes two to tango and that's exactly what happens. What you say about open-mindedness above pretty much shows your own closed-minded-ness. (and not just you personally - there are several) It's the exact same unicorn, just painted different colors.
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Post by secondlife on Jun 28, 2016 22:11:23 GMT
Ok color me an idiot but I don't understand all these hug references. ETA: or are the hugs references this threads "spaghettios"? Someone's made it so that when the word a t t a c k is written it changes to "hug". It's actually pretty funny on this thread. I take back what I said about diffusing a thread. This was the funniest one I've seen. BRAVO!!! hug Well what do you know!
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 28, 2016 22:13:43 GMT
The whole idea that some of these people on the left are open-minded is laughable. The only people who are entitled to the tolerance they preach are those they either agree with socially and politically or those whose life styles they agree with. That is the reality although I know that they will defend their close mindedness gleefully while parading others for not being open-minded. It's the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen This is why, in the end, conservative simply stop discussing issues and use their votes to put through their own philosophies. And then they wonder how someone like Donald Trump can rise so far Eh, to me this sounds a lot like regurgitated political pundit-speak. Not everything, including differences of opinion, is political. To label someone you disagree with as a liberal or conservative just because of their opinion on a thread like this like this, is overly simplistic, and funnily enough, rude and aggressive. I see this all the time on FB and many other sites. Someone posts an opinion on something like gorilla boy or the WDW tragedy, and someone replies with something like "these damn liberals are ruining our country with all their hate and intolerance all while claiming to be so open-minded!" or "you conservatives are all about personal responsibility, so where was gorilla mom's personal responsibility???" There's no reason for the liberal/conservative label in situations like that. Hell, even in political discussions, we'd all get a lot further if everyone would quit trying to shove people in liberal/conservative boxes so that they can automatically discount their opinions. No matter what the pundits tell (general) you, those tidy little labels are doing no one any good. They're actually making the problems much, much worse. Yes yes yes a thousand times yes!
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Post by elaine on Jun 28, 2016 22:17:30 GMT
While Elaine, I certainly remember Kimberly Dobb. I do not recall her harassing you. I do, however, remember a lot of people going after her much in the way they go after rainbow scrapper now LOL! Of course you remember it that way - you never process any information that is contrary to your pre-conceived notions and how you like to view yourself. You can rewrite history all you want, but it doesn't make it true - a la George Orwell. She is the reason I left for 2 years. I'm not going to expound on it because she is dead - a fact shared with us by her buddy Rainbow - and the dead deserve a modicum of respect. Again, I love you in your predictability and consistency. In times of conflict, you never fail to come through. Especially when you feel in the wrong, then make crude personal hugs, and then get all huffy and defensive.
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 28, 2016 22:19:17 GMT
this may be explained downthread OR I am massively obtuse, but if we are all hugging the life out of each other, what's the problem? Hugs are good. I am confused. I might go to bed soon. Apparently admin has changed all uses of the word "hug" to "hug." Either that or someone else has hacked into the board and done it. It happened with one of my posts too, where I know that I used "a t t a c k" and not "hug." I love this place! Some days it is like any dysfunctional family's thanksgiving dinner. ETA: I can't even type out the word a t t a c k without it being changed to hug. In both instances above, first word was a t t a c k. seriously? That's hilarious!
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ETA: Sure enough! Brilliant!
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 28, 2016 22:34:59 GMT
Can I ask who you are talking about Elaine? I don't recall you being bullied or harassed ever and I don't recall cheering the person you claim did. I don't recall that either. It wasn't Kimberly's style to a t t a c k anyone. She had a milder manner than that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 22:45:24 GMT
crude personal hugs might just be my favorite phrase on this whole thread
I remember Kimberly Dobbs following Elaine around. Much in the same way LizandJuan followed people around when she got upset with them. And that's all I'm going to say about that.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 28, 2016 23:05:43 GMT
Can I ask who you are talking about Elaine? I don't recall you being bullied or harassed ever and I don't recall cheering the person you claim did. I don't recall that either. It wasn't Kimberly's style to a t t a c k anyone. She had a milder manner than that.I agree,.
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Post by admin on Jun 28, 2016 23:12:23 GMT
I want to hug you (just checking - this might go south if I misunderstood the PP!! ) ETA - clearly, admin is spreading the love (and hugs) today! MAYBE IT'S A WAY OF TELLING PEOPLE TO COOL OFF BEFORE THEY JUST GET A STICKY OLD WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!! HUGS TO ALL OF YOU!! That. I tolerate (ugh, that word) almost everything, but to be blunt this thread and a few others recently have been getting on my very last nerve. I don't want to start handing out individual warnings, because a) there are too many people involved - on both sides of any given argument - for that to be a reasonable response, and b) my level of patience or grumpiness might be being affected by outside factors and it wouldn't be fair to take that out on you all. Hence, something different. It wasn't particularly intended to be funny - although if that's a side effect all the better maybe - but more to perhaps change the tone of the conversation slightly, and make people think a bit harder about their choice of words. I certainly think that it would serve many of the posters on this thread well to reflect a little on how they communicate. I'd remind you all that although there are maybe 70 posters involved in this thread, we have thousands of other members, many of whom feel too intimidated to post much if at all precisely because of this kind of thing. If that happens too many times to too many Peas eventually this board will become unsustainable. Do you want this place to be somewhere that thrives with a diverse range of topics and opinions? If so, what part are you playing in making that happen? So that word is banned, temporarily - by which I mean until I feel inclined to restore it. In the meantime there are a handful of others I'm contemplating treating the same way... As you were.
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Post by elaine on Jun 28, 2016 23:18:38 GMT
Can I ask who you are talking about Elaine? I don't recall you being bullied or harassed ever and I don't recall cheering the person you claim did. I don't recall that either. It wasn't Kimberly's style to a t t a c k anyone. She had a milder manner than that.Bwahahahaha! And the team is together again - I can picture Kimberly's spirit sitting between the two of you, kind of like the ghosts in Haunted Mansion. It feels just like the 'ol days.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 28, 2016 23:24:15 GMT
Of course they do, that is their main purpose in bullying. Well, it doesn't work with me. No wonder the bullies here are so angry all the time, they suck at it! RIGHT. Because you aren't being bullied.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Jun 28, 2016 23:38:49 GMT
I remember Kimberly Dobbs following Elaine around. Much in the same way LizandJuan followed people around when she got upset with them. And that's all I'm going to say about that. I remember both of those posters engaging in that behavior as well.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 28, 2016 23:40:35 GMT
I remember Kimberly Dobbs following Elaine around. Much in the same way LizandJuan followed people around when she got upset with them. And that's all I'm going to say about that. I remember both of those posters engaging in that behavior as well. As do I.
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Post by peano on Jun 28, 2016 23:47:58 GMT
I want to hug you (just checking - this might go south if I misunderstood the PP!! ) ETA - clearly, admin is spreading the love (and hugs) today! MAYBE IT'S A WAY OF TELLING PEOPLE TO COOL OFF BEFORE THEY JUST GET A STICKY OLD WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!! HUGS TO ALL OF YOU!! That. I tolerate (ugh, that word) almost everything, but to be blunt this thread and a few others recently have been getting on my very last nerve. I don't want to start handing out individual warnings, because a) there are too many people involved - on both sides of any given argument - for that to be a reasonable response, and b) my level of patience or grumpiness might be being affected by outside factors and it wouldn't be fair to take that out on you all. Hence, something different. It wasn't particularly intended to be funny - although if that's a side effect all the better maybe - but more to perhaps change the tone of the conversation slightly, and make people think a bit harder about their choice of words. I certainly think that it would serve many of the posters on this thread well to reflect a little on how they communicate. I'd remind you all that although there are maybe 70 posters involved in this thread, we have thousands of other members, many of whom feel too intimidated to post much if at all precisely because of this kind of thing. If that happens too many times to too many Peas eventually this board will become unsustainable. Do you want this place to be somewhere that thrives with a diverse range of topics and opinions? If so, what part are you playing in making that happen? So that word is banned, temporarily - by which I mean until I feel inclined to restore it. In the meantime there are a handful of others I'm contemplating treating the same way... As you were. Thanks admin! And thanks for proving my point that humor is a pretty good defuser of tension on these types of threads!
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Post by pjaye on Jun 28, 2016 23:54:47 GMT
So that word is banned, temporarily - by which I mean until I feel inclined to restore it Actually I don't think it's funny at all, someone just posted about being worried about her family after the terrorist a t t a c k in Turkey and it changed to terrorist hug...I fail to see the humour in that. There are lots of serious and legitimate uses for that word and changing that word to something frivolous can take a very serious post and turns it into nonsense and I didn't think that is clever or funny.
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 28, 2016 23:57:56 GMT
Let me give you a scenario. If there was a mentally challenged person who was being ganged up on and he laughed at all the attention. Would it be ok to continue ganging up on him? After all, he doesn't believe he's being made fun of or harassed. I don't think Rainbow is mentally ill but I've heard many of the people who berate her claim that she is. Doesn't that rub you wrong? It does me. I agree with you on this.
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Post by peano on Jun 29, 2016 0:00:11 GMT
So that word is banned, temporarily - by which I mean until I feel inclined to restore it Actually I don't think it's funny at all, someone just posted about being worried about her family after the terrorist a t t a c k in Turkey and it changed to terrorist hug...I fail to see the humour in that. There are lots of serious and legitimate uses for that word and changing that word to something frivolous can take a very serious post and turns it into nonsense and I didn't think that is clever or funny. Oosh, I've been fighting a virus and I slept all day, so I wasn't aware of a terrorist attack in Turkey. That does add a sobering layer to this whole thing. I hope the poster's family is well.
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Post by elaine on Jun 29, 2016 0:04:00 GMT
Actually I don't think it's funny at all, someone just posted about being worried about her family after the terrorist a t t a c k in Turkey and it changed to terrorist hug...I fail to see the humour in that. There are lots of serious and legitimate uses for that word and changing that word to something frivolous can take a very serious post and turns it into nonsense and I didn't think that is clever or funny. Oosh, I've been fighting a virus and I slept all day, so I wasn't aware of a terrorist hug in Turkey. That does add a sobering layer to this whole thing. I hope the poster's family is well. A t t a c k on the airport. Multiple people killed - 31 as of now and 147 wounded. All flights in and out of the country cancelled. Very scary for people with family and friends there.
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 29, 2016 0:07:10 GMT
So that word is banned, temporarily - by which I mean until I feel inclined to restore it Actually I don't think it's funny at all, someone just posted about being worried about her family after the terrorist a t t a c k in Turkey and it changed to terrorist hug...I fail to see the humour in that. There are lots of serious and legitimate uses for that word and changing that word to something frivolous can take a very serious post and turns it into nonsense and I didn't think that is clever or funny. Oh no! That's awful, I hope the family is found to be safe.
What awful timing for the two threads to be going on simultaneously.
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Post by lindas on Jun 29, 2016 0:52:56 GMT
So that word is banned, temporarily - by which I mean until I feel inclined to restore it Actually I don't think it's funny at all, someone just posted about being worried about her family after the terrorist a t t a c k in Turkey and it changed to terrorist hug...I fail to see the humour in that. There are lots of serious and legitimate uses for that word and changing that word to something frivolous can take a very serious post and turns it into nonsense and I didn't think that is clever or funny. Funny how the foul language doesn't elicit a response from admin but the word a t t a c k does.
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Post by pjaye on Jun 29, 2016 1:05:25 GMT
Funny how the foul language doesn't elicit a response from admin but the word a t t a c k does. I agree, if the word fuck was changed to hug, or c**t to cat, in most cases it would be funny as people are mostly using those words in heated discussions that have already got out of hand as opposed to using them in a normal, rational, legitimate way...like the word a t t a c k. There's lots of legitimate uses for that word that do not involve heated discussions. Seems a very odd word to elect to change when there are so many others that are inherently offensive.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 29, 2016 3:40:55 GMT
That is absolutely not true. Topics that come in for that sort of response are sometimes political but also frequently racism, homophobia, discrimination on all sorts of grounds including physical differences, and so on and so on. The problem with this train of thought is that what is considered racist, homophobic and discriminatory is the eye (ear?) of the beholder and it varies from person to person. I would suggest that in recent years that line of speech has been dumbed down, if you will, so that just about anything can be included. It has become a tactic of the left to define any speech they don't like as derogatory so as to quickly shut down the discussion since there is no adequate response. I know what racism, homophobia and discrimination are. I've been paid less and treated completely differently because of my sex. My skin color is derided to my face, and my family has been told how privileged we are just because of our skin color by total strangers who swagger on with their own bad selves carrying chips as big as the sky on their shoulders without a clue that they are living a life far more privileged than the person they just sneered at. My child has been ostracized and made fun of to the point that I withdrew her from public school for her own protection. We have generation after generation after generation of children & young adults losing their parents far too young and being left without. And I can go on. ETA - I should age ageism to that list. I've been on the wrong end of that, too.
Do we have the same problems as a family that endured slavery? No, but then again, neither does President Obama. He's half white. Is he racist? Or does the color of one's skin automatically protect or condemn them here? And isn't *that* racism?I live in the deep south. My MIL grew up with Jim Crow laws. The physical remnants survive even though most of the people have long gone to the great beyond. The scars to the families may outlast even those. These scarred people are my neighbors, my friends, my co-workers. Our children have attended the same schools and in many ways our lives are identical. I am not completely unqualified to speak on these issues. I do not agree with many of these declarations of racism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc. that are considered undeniable truths by so many here. I see shades of grey that are completely overlooked in this black & white outlook and it leaves me shaking my head .... and maybe looking forward to whatever hideous jello Hoff may turn up. Because one thing is absolutely certain. I am a fish swimming upstream here.
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Post by elaine on Jun 29, 2016 4:20:35 GMT
The problem with this train of thought is that what is considered racist, homophobic and discriminatory is the eye (ear?) of the beholder and it varies from person to person. I would suggest that in recent years that line of speech has been dumbed down, if you will, so that just about anything can be included. It has become a tactic of the left to define any speech they don't like as derogatory so as to quickly shut down the discussion since there is no adequate response. I know what racism, homophobia and discrimination are. I've been paid less and treated completely differently because of my sex. My skin color is derided to my face, and my family has been told how privileged we are just because of our skin color by total strangers who swagger on with their own bad selves carrying chips as big as the sky on their shoulders without a clue that they are living a life far more privileged than the person they just sneered at. My child has been ostracized and made fun of to the point that I withdrew her from public school for her own protection. We have generation after generation after generation of children & young adults losing their parents far too young. And I can go on. Do we have the same problems as a family that endured slavery? No, but then again, neither does President Obama. He's half white. Is he racist? Or does the color of one's skin automatically protect or condemn them here? And isn't *that* racism? I live in the deep south. My MIL grew up with Jim Crow laws. The physical remnants survive even though most of the people have long gone to the great beyond. The scars to the families may outlast even those. These scarred people are my neighbors, my friends, my co-workers. Our children have attended the same schools and in many ways our lives are identical. I am not completely unqualified to speak on these issues. I do not agree with many of these declarations of racism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc. that are considered undeniable truths by so many here. I see shades of grey that are completely overlooked in this black & white outlook and it leaves me shaking my head .... and maybe looking forward to whatever hideous jello Hoff may turn up. Because one thing is absolutely certain. I am a fish swimming upstream here. I'm quoting you, Lefty, but this also for whopea. I hear what you are both saying to a degree, especially when we are talking about vague references, however, when someone calls a group of people "freaks" and "mentally ill" because ONLY of their sexual orientation, I am not sure how anyone can see that as anything as homophobia. I mean this sincerely, explain it to me how calling people who are LGBT mentally ill and a freak show is not homophobic, especially when that person has interacted with numerous people who have told her how offensive it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 5:13:28 GMT
I know what racism, homophobia and discrimination are. I've been paid less and treated completely differently because of my sex. My skin color is derided to my face, and my family has been told how privileged we are just because of our skin color by total strangers who swagger on with their own bad selves carrying chips as big as the sky on their shoulders without a clue that they are living a life far more privileged than the person they just sneered at. My child has been ostracized and made fun of to the point that I withdrew her from public school for her own protection. We have generation after generation after generation of children & young adults losing their parents far too young. And I can go on. Do we have the same problems as a family that endured slavery? No, but then again, neither does President Obama. He's half white. Is he racist? Or does the color of one's skin automatically protect or condemn them here? And isn't *that* racism? I live in the deep south. My MIL grew up with Jim Crow laws. The physical remnants survive even though most of the people have long gone to the great beyond. The scars to the families may outlast even those. These scarred people are my neighbors, my friends, my co-workers. Our children have attended the same schools and in many ways our lives are identical. I am not completely unqualified to speak on these issues. I do not agree with many of these declarations of racism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc. that are considered undeniable truths by so many here. I see shades of grey that are completely overlooked in this black & white outlook and it leaves me shaking my head .... and maybe looking forward to whatever hideous jello Hoff may turn up. Because one thing is absolutely certain. I am a fish swimming upstream here. I'm quoting you, Lefty, but this also for whopea . I hear what you are both saying to a degree, especially when we are talking about vague references, however, when someone calls a group of people "freaks" and "mentally ill" because ONLY of their sexual orientation, I am not sure how anyone can see that as anything as homophobia. I mean this sincerely, explain it to me how calling people who are LGBT mentally ill and a freak show is not homophobic, especially when that person has interacted with numerous people who have told her how offensive it is. That's just it, I don't think anyone disagrees with you on those specific instances.
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Post by elaine on Jun 29, 2016 5:29:52 GMT
I'm quoting you, Lefty, but this also for whopea . I hear what you are both saying to a degree, especially when we are talking about vague references, however, when someone calls a group of people "freaks" and "mentally ill" because ONLY of their sexual orientation, I am not sure how anyone can see that as anything as homophobia. I mean this sincerely, explain it to me how calling people who are LGBT mentally ill and a freak show is not homophobic, especially when that person has interacted with numerous people who have told her how offensive it is. That's just it, I don't think anyone disagrees with you on those specific instances. Okay, then I don't understand how it is some conspiracy to shut down conversation, nor bullying, when people dispute the person who says those things in the very threads she says them. Are we having two different conversations on this thread? I was fairly clear on what Lauren slammed me and others for, and it had to do with calling out those comments.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 29, 2016 6:06:52 GMT
Ok, do you feel bullied here? Bullies are bullies no matter the age. Now, why isn't it OK for kids to be bullied by other kids? And why do you think it is OK for adults to bully other adults? To me, either this behavior is acceptable or it isn't. Which is it?We are responsible for how we behave in this community. This is a truly classic example demonstrating why people get frustrated and stop responding to you, Rainbow, in nicer ways. lainey asked you an important question as simply and as kindly as it can be asked. Rainbow, you blathered on and never even acknowledged what Lainey said. * Does Rainbow receive a lot of negative comments? Absolutely. * Is she innocent in this? Far from it. * Can she just not post or read what's been written, meaning is she free to walk away at any time she so chooses? Yes. * To verify. Is anyone forcing Rainbow against her will to participate here? No Barring any actions of real threat to Rainbow, the attempts to frustrate her in return may be unpleasant, but to me they just don't stand up the level of being considered bullying.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 6:21:11 GMT
That's just it, I don't think anyone disagrees with you on those specific instances. Okay, then I don't understand how it is some conspiracy to shut down conversation, nor bullying, when people dispute the person who says those things in the very threads she says them. Are we having two different conversations on this thread? I was fairly clear on what Lauren slammed me and others for, and it had to do with calling out those comments. Country Ham gave examples upthread from what could have been an interesting topic to discuss, but the very first several posts immediately responded to her with very clear messages intended to shut Rainbow and any meaningful conversation down. A thread that had nothing to do with sexual orientation at all. I gave the example from the actual "freak show" thread where it was suggested that others might benefit from discussing the topic and that was shut down as wrong. Some said they didn't have the time or desire to bother educating her, but they seemed to find the time and desire for personal a t t a c k s. Then there was the thread that she started and the immediate first several posts were personal a t t a c k s meant to shut down Rainbow and the conversation. Someone started the EXACT same thread, in the EXACT same way and an interesting discussion took place.
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