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Post by used2scrap on May 3, 2017 0:28:51 GMT
It is getting really hard to tell what decade we live in sometimes. Just horrific. I read the officer has been fired, but no charges filed yet.
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Post by Merge on May 3, 2017 0:37:46 GMT
My sympathies to this young man's family, especially his poor brother who witnessed the whole thing. I hope they throw the book at the cop who did it.
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Post by jayfab on May 3, 2017 2:17:23 GMT
OMG, my heart hurts for this young man's family. I can't even imagine their grief.
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Post by scrapbookwriter on May 3, 2017 3:47:01 GMT
I don't understand why this happened. The officers received a complaint about a loud party/underage drinking. When the kids at the party heard police sirens, kids cleared out. Of course they cleared out. What else would they do? They're kids! Isn't that the desired result - that the party would quiet down/clear out? How does a car leaving the scene of a party endanger any officer? How does it rise to the level of deadly force?
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Post by Olan on May 3, 2017 13:40:56 GMT
It is getting really hard to tell what decade we live in sometimes. Just horrific. I read the officer has been fired, but no charges filed yet. I started this thread almost a year ago when Alton Sterling was shot and killed by police. DOJ should be announcing fairly soon that they won't be charging the officers responsible. Philando Castile was killed the same day I believe. NRA and his employer all silent about his killer being charged with just manslaughter. It would seem no one cares. You'd only have to look at 1 or 2 responses to this original thread to see that. The history between black people and the police is longstanding but I personally think its worse now than before. Its open season with no justice for their families. They demonize/dehumanize your loved one and thats when you realize just how many American citizens could care less if you live or die. You can see the racist undertones in almost every response here
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Post by lucyg on May 3, 2017 14:11:44 GMT
It is getting really hard to tell what decade we live in sometimes. Just horrific. I read the officer has been fired, but no charges filed yet. I started this thread almost a year ago when Alton Sterling was shot and killed by police. DOJ should be announcing fairly soon that they won't be charging the officers responsible. Philando Castile was killed the same day I believe. NRA and his employer all silent about his killer being charged with just manslaughter. It would seem no one cares. You'd only have to look at 1 or 2 responses to this original thread to see that. The history between black people and the police is longstanding but I personally think its worse now than before. Its open season with no justice for their families. They demonize/dehumanize your loved one and thats when you realize just how many American citizens could care less if you live or die. You can see the racist undertones in almost every response here Well, thank God we have you to point out what racists the rest of us are. While you're talking about how no one cares if you live or die, you might want to take a moment to add this one to your links: Walter Scott shooting: ex-cop pleads guilty in federal case. www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/walter-scott-shooting-ex-cop-pleads-guilty-in-federal-case-934918723626?cid=amp_nbcnewsDude is going to prison for a long time.
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Post by refugeepea on May 3, 2017 14:14:17 GMT
I started this thread almost a year ago when Alton Sterling was shot and killed by police. DOJ should be announcing fairly soon that they won't be charging the officers responsible. Philando Castile was killed the same day I believe. NRA and his employer all silent about his killer being charged with just manslaughter. It would seem no one cares. You'd only have to look at 1 or 2 responses to this original thread to see that. The history between black people and the police is longstanding but I personally think its worse now than before. Its open season with no justice for their families. They demonize/dehumanize your loved one and thats when you realize just how many American citizens could care less if you live or die. You can see the racist undertones in almost every response hereI responded to this thread almost a year ago and gave a response which I thought was fair and not racist. I will no longer respond to threads you post.
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Post by Olan on May 3, 2017 14:23:13 GMT
I started this thread almost a year ago when Alton Sterling was shot and killed by police. DOJ should be announcing fairly soon that they won't be charging the officers responsible. Philando Castile was killed the same day I believe. NRA and his employer all silent about his killer being charged with just manslaughter. It would seem no one cares. You'd only have to look at 1 or 2 responses to this original thread to see that. The history between black people and the police is longstanding but I personally think its worse now than before. Its open season with no justice for their families. They demonize/dehumanize your loved one and thats when you realize just how many American citizens could care less if you live or die. You can see the racist undertones in almost every response hereI responded to this thread almost a year ago and gave a response which I thought was fair and not racist. I will no longer respond to threads you post. If you gave a response that was fair and not racist why are you offended? Since you said you wouldn't be responding again I won't expect your response. I see a lot of peas get angry about my assessment of Americans. It's the truth as I see it. You can ignore me or the feelings of other black people all you want it only speaks to your character. A Good Read
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Post by ginacivey on May 3, 2017 14:31:04 GMT
Olani just got a notification that you 'liked' my original post on this thread from a year ago is that your way of making sure i see the thread? i commented on the new story yesterday weird you don't like me - why bother liking my post? gina
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 14:31:26 GMT
You can ignore me or the feelings of other black people all you want it only speaks to your character. It's cute how you think we care about your assessment of any pea's character.
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Post by Olan on May 3, 2017 14:47:17 GMT
I started this thread almost a year ago when Alton Sterling was shot and killed by police. DOJ should be announcing fairly soon that they won't be charging the officers responsible. Philando Castile was killed the same day I believe. NRA and his employer all silent about his killer being charged with just manslaughter. It would seem no one cares. You'd only have to look at 1 or 2 responses to this original thread to see that. The history between black people and the police is longstanding but I personally think its worse now than before. Its open season with no justice for their families. They demonize/dehumanize your loved one and thats when you realize just how many American citizens could care less if you live or die. You can see the racist undertones in almost every response here Well, thank God we have you to point out what racists the rest of us are. While you're talking about how no one cares if you live or die, you might want to take a moment to add this one to your links: Walter Scott shooting: ex-cop pleads guilty in federal case. www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/walter-scott-shooting-ex-cop-pleads-guilty-in-federal-case-934918723626?cid=amp_nbcnewsDude is going to prison for a long time. I didnt add links for Keith Lamont Scott (sp) Freddie Gray, Tamir Rice, Michael Brown Jr, Eric Garner, Laquan McDonald, Rekia Boyd, Jamar Clark, Sean Bell (sp), John Crawford, Korryn Gaines and countless others either!!! And is your point that because Walter Scotts killer will possibly face jail time that somehow means black lives are valued and no one is racist? Shouldn't the value be placed before the bullet leaves the gun? What exactly was your point? Walter Scott's mother: "Scott's mother said the sentence mattered little to her now that Slager had admitted responsibility. "What made me feel good about it is that Michael Slager admitted what he did. That was enough years for me," she said in response to the question how much time she wanted Slager to serve. "No matter how many years Michael Slager gets, it would not bring back my son," she said. "This is a victory for Walter. This is justice for the family, but this is just the beginning." I thought a large number of peas had racist views but generally tried to not be the black pea who tries to change anyones mind which is impossible by the way especially since most people won't even acknowledge it but are we seriously going to sit here and pretend America doesn't have a problem with race? 45 is president. The Ministry of Travel for the Bahamas told its citizens to use extreme caution when interacting with the police. They basically said avoid American this summer but when I say clearly racists comments still viewable here have a "racial undertone" I'm a bitch you no longer want to interact with? Does that make sense to you? Please note your interactions with me here on the board or your approval of my participation here on the board means very little to me. Still trying to figure out how justice for Walter Scott somehow means society cares if black people live or die? He is still dead you know? Why are you so angry at me? Any of you could tackle that question. Not just you lucyg. Why the anger? Really ask yourself that.
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Post by Olan on May 3, 2017 14:52:54 GMT
You can ignore me or the feelings of other black people all you want it only speaks to your character. It's cute how you think we care about your assessment of any pea's character. I don't think any of you care. How will your grandchildren assess your character when they ask why you lived in a time like this and either had the views that you did or sat idle while a group of people were just killed for no other reason except that they are black? A lot of anger directed my way and for what. Gina I liked your comment because I'm assuming liking it will allow me to look back at it easily. I'll show my sister this thread so I do it for her ease in finding the things I am talking to her about. You can feel free to ignore me like refugeepea did if you'd like.
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Post by happymomma on May 3, 2017 15:03:08 GMT
It's cute how you think we care about your assessment of any pea's character. I don't think any of you care. How will your grandchildren assess your character when they ask why you lived in a time like this and either had the views that you did or sat idle while a group of people were just killed for no other reason except that they are black? It's horrible. I will have an equally hard time explaining to my grandchild why police officers are being shot for no other reason except that they are police officers. Honestly, I have no idea how to explain to anyone why such evil exists in this world.
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Post by River on May 3, 2017 15:17:07 GMT
All whites are racist, I get it! Just like all blacks are thugs or gang members, right?
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Post by Olan on May 3, 2017 15:28:10 GMT
All whites are racist, I get it! Just like all blacks are thugs or gang members, right? I don't believe all white people have racist views. Since the election I believe we now ALL KNOW that the number of racist Americans are higher than once thought right? The Civil Rights Act is only 53 years old. Why was it needed? Where did the racist men and women go? Now all you have is people denying racism exists despite clear examples that something is awry? Or people who get angry because I'm telling you as a black woman racism is still alive and well? Well I guess leftturnonly did say black people are whiny thats it we just want something to complain about. All is well we just wanna fuss *shrugs shoulders*. Why do you think Jordan Edwards is dead? As for black people being thugs and gang members, have you seen the number of black students that got accepted to all eight Ivy League schools this graduation season?
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Post by ginacivey on May 3, 2017 15:37:12 GMT
As for black people being thugs and gang members, have you seen the number of black students that got accepted to all eight Ivy League schools this graduation season? yep but is this where someone posts an example of a non-racist white person?
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Post by Olan on May 3, 2017 16:00:11 GMT
As for black people being thugs and gang members, have you seen the number of black students that got accepted to all eight Ivy League schools this graduation season? yep but is this where someone posts an example of a non-racist white person? I believe her argument was the time-tested "All white people are racists only if all black people are thugs and gang members" my response was "No not all white people are racist just as not all black people are thugs and gang members. If the next step in this dance is you posting one example of a non racist white person feel free to do so.
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Post by Olan on May 3, 2017 16:00:33 GMT
Why do you think Jordan Edwards is dead?
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Post by River on May 3, 2017 16:10:47 GMT
Thanks ginacivey I'll try anyway....I can't resist! I'm white. You know what's even worse? I was raised in Alabama, in a very small, all white town. I didn't see a black person in real life until I was almost a teenager. Seen plenty on TV though, heard some awesome musicians and singers that were black on the radio. Racism wasn't discussed in my home at all. Can you believe that? Now why was my town all white? Why is it still 80% white? I have absolutely no idea, it's a great town full of kind hearted people. The different types of people that have finally found our wonderful little town also love it. I've talked to a few of the black families and they rave about the neighborhood, the low crime rates (still low) and friendly people. But I'm sure in your mind, this can't be. A little small, all white town accepting AND being friendly to black families. You see, we were all mainly raised to be kind. That was the root of all up bringing. Just be kind to others. There was never a distinction, no be kind to this kind of person or that kind of person. Just "be kind to others"! So Olan come live in my little town and be happy.
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Post by ginacivey on May 3, 2017 16:16:54 GMT
i guess i don't understand how a person proves they aren't racist
by how diversified their lives are? - that might mearly be a symptom of geography?
by how much time they've spent with people that are considered 'minority'
how current they are on matters relating to the oppressed?
their opinion on race relations?
acting like they give a damn?
might it be posting all the right words on a message board/FB?
I do not feel like a racist in my heart - and my friends - of all types don't agree that i am racist
how is it that Olan is so damn sure i am?
but the bigger question might be - why do i care what she thinks?
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Post by Olan on May 3, 2017 16:24:18 GMT
Thanks ginacivey I'll try anyway....I can't resist! I'm white. You know what's even worse? I was raised in Alabama, in a very small, all white town. I didn't see a black person in real life until I was almost a teenager. Seen plenty on TV though, heard some awesome musicians and singers that were black on the radio. Racism wasn't discussed in my home at all. Can you believe that? Now why was my town all white? Why is it still 80% white? I have absolutely no idea, it's a great town full of kind hearted people. The different types of people that have finally found our wonderful little town also love it. I've talked to a few of the black families and they rave about the neighborhood, the low crime rates (still low) and friendly people. But I'm sure in your mind, this can't be. A little small, all white town accepting AND being friendly to black families. You see, we were all mainly raised to be kind. That was the root of all up bringing. Just be kind to others. There was never a distinction, no be kind to this kind of person or that kind of person. Just "be kind to others"! I don't doubt that there are small pockets like that, that exist. I am not saying as a whole white people are horrible mean racist people. But could we stop denying that maybe a 15 year old kid is dead and his entire family is traumatized because they are black. Why has this thread turned to pointing out how there are white people actually being good human beings to people who don't look like them as if this behavior shouldn't be expected by now. No one wants to be reminded of whats wrong.Thats why everyone hates my participation here. It would seem no one wants to change because that would A. Require you saying hey I/Society have some shortcomings. B. You like things exactly as they are!! When someone challenges the evil in society you silence the challenger and say nope we don't want to play with you anymore. That is whats happening here. Where are the peas who stand up for what is right? River what town does my family need to move to to ensure a routine traffic stop doesnt result in our death. Where? refugeepea literally said "hey I wasn't outwardly racists in my comments to you and you still said most comments had racists undertones so I won't be interacting with you anymore" ummm okay did you read what Zee said? Did you see the welcoming attitude Gina had last year? leftturnonly wanted so very badly to retract her comments but instead dug her heels in the ground with absolutely no one saying....HEY IS THIS RIGHT? No one will answer why the anger toward me or even why is the child dead if you had to guess?
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Post by Olan on May 3, 2017 16:27:39 GMT
i guess i don't understand how a person proves they aren't racist by how diversified their lives are? - that might mearly be a symptom of geography? by how much time they've spent with people that are considered 'minority' how current they are on matters relating to the oppressed? their opinion on race relations? acting like they give a damn? might it be posting all the right words on a message board/FB? I do not feel like a racist in my heart - and my friends - of all types don't agree that i am racist how is it that Olan is so damn sure i am? but the bigger question might be - why do i care what she thinks? That isnt what this is about. I'm not damn sure of anything about you except that I would love to pull a refugeepea and please ask that you limit your interactions with me. Shouldn't be hard given what you think of me. Revisit your comments.
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Post by ginacivey on May 3, 2017 16:36:20 GMT
No one will answer why the anger toward me or even why is the child dead if you had to guess? the anger toward you? people don't like to be accused of being things they aren't why is that 15 yo dead? - the officers heard gunshots probably overreacted - right or wrong? hard to tell until they investigate should the cops have shot at a car driving away - not in this instance did the cops set out to shoot a boy? probably not gina ETA - go ahead and ignore - it's easier than having actual dialogue
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Post by Olan on May 3, 2017 16:56:03 GMT
No one will answer why the anger toward me or even why is the child dead if you had to guess? the anger toward you? people don't like to be accused of being things they aren't why is that 15 yo dead? - the officers heard gunshots probably overreacted - right or wrong? hard to tell until they investigate should the cops have shot at a car driving away - not in this instance did the cops set out to shoot a boy? probably not gina ETA - go ahead and ignore - it's easier than having actual dialogue No one is ignoring you despite how dismissive you were of me I've always been at the very least respectful enough to address whatever question someone asks me. If you don't believe you are racist what I think of you shouldn't matter. You've already said it doesn't. Even more reason why I'm not going to mince words or pretend that the clusterfuck that is now America isn't because a huge number of racist people just can't get it together and be better people. Still unanswered: Where did the racist people go? How did they morph into better people? When did this change occur? I've said this before Ruby Bridges is 60ish. That means she went to school with you guys! Should we play spot the racist on 2peas in this very thread? Why do you think such a large number of unarmed black people are dead?
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Post by likescarrots on May 3, 2017 17:03:17 GMT
You can ignore me or the feelings of other black people all you want it only speaks to your character. It's cute how you think we care about your assessment of any pea's character. is cute that you ignore the experiences and opinions of black people and then get mad when you're seen as racist.
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Post by refugeepea on May 3, 2017 17:05:43 GMT
refugeepea literally said " hey I wasn't outwardly racists in my comments to you and you still said most comments had racists undertones so I won't be interacting with you anymore" ummm okay Fuck you. You changed my words and that is not what I said and you know it. I do not give a shit that you are black. I will now put you on ignore with the rest of the intolerant white people on my list.
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Post by Olan on May 3, 2017 17:09:23 GMT
refugeepea literally said " hey I wasn't outwardly racists in my comments to you and you still said most comments had racists undertones so I won't be interacting with you anymore" ummm okay Fuck you. You changed my words and that is not what I said and you know it. I do not give a shit that you are black. I will now put you on ignore with the rest of the intolerant white people on my list. Everyone can read what you said. I added my own spin to your comments because thats basically how I received what you said. Calm down. Look at you here! Again why so angry? Ignore me all you want. It really is no skin off my back. Truly.
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Post by Olan on May 3, 2017 17:35:21 GMT
I started this thread almost a year ago when Alton Sterling was shot and killed by police. DOJ should be announcing fairly soon that they won't be charging the officers responsible. Philando Castile was killed the same day I believe. NRA and his employer all silent about his killer being charged with just manslaughter. It would seem no one cares. You'd only have to look at 1 or 2 responses to this original thread to see that. The history between black people and the police is longstanding but I personally think its worse now than before. Its open season with no justice for their families. They demonize/dehumanize your loved one and thats when you realize just how many American citizens could care less if you live or die. You can see the racist undertones in almost every response hereI responded to this thread almost a year ago and gave a response which I thought was fair and not racist. I will no longer respond to threads you post. And since we are swearing now, even if not one pea gave a damn IF Castile's school system #resisted in any small way do you think his killer would be charged with just manslaughter? Again I'm asking what will you tell people when they ask what you did in response to these things! Everyone knit a nice hat and took to the streets just a few short months ago! Can we deduce that no one cared in his case? Or is that too big a fucking jump!? He was shot while reaching for his license with a child in the backseat ALL WHILE his girlfriend filmed it. After his death remember the mom of the autistic boy who said her son was having a hard time adjusting because of the relationship he had with Castile? I've never heard anyone mention that maybe he had a licensed hand gun to protect the school against active shootings either. Had he been a white man the NRA would have made him a hero. Do you disagree? The DOJ just said they won't be pressing charges against the two officers in the Sterling case. Does that show that America cares about the deaths of unarmed black men? I said you'd only have to look at 1 or 2 responses to see how little people care and that almost every comment had racist undertones if I could I would reword that to every page. I didnt find your comment so clearly I didnt reread every single one enough to make that sort of declarative statement. However I did not say if you look at every single comment made on this thread its clear that no one cares and everyone is racist. Why couldn't you make that distinction?
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Post by Olan on May 3, 2017 17:36:36 GMT
Ooops, I should not have posted. I was simply commenting on the appalling fact that it took 10-15 minutes for EMT help to arrive after his brother flagged down a police cruiser for emergency medical help. As far as I am concerned, that very same officer should have been the first one to start first-aid, immediately after alerting their radio operators that they needed an ambulance STAT. There is so much wrong with this story but quite honestly one of the things wrong was that there was even a loud large party featuring under-age drinking in the first place. Not acceptable, and I don't care what race you are. No, it is not an acceptable teen activity that everyone does. So while this shooting and lack of medical care are entirely unacceptable, so is the entire situation. It doesn't justify the shooting, but it also would not have even happened otherwise. I'm tired of hearing how awful I am when I complain about inappropriate policing. I also don't care how many black people were accepted into Harvard or whatever. I just want to know if they picked the best candidates available. Don't worry Olan, I'll go click "block" and avoid your posts in the future. Whatever happens out there to black people, I guess I am ok with it, I am white after all so I really need to stop caring. This is ridiculous. I hope everyone can see what your intentions were on this thread.
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Post by Olan on May 3, 2017 17:43:03 GMT
His brother flagged down a passing police car when he realized his brother had been shot, in order to get medical help for his brother, and it still took "10-15 minutes" for medical help to arrive? This is just as important to be looked at as the original shooting. I can't imagine how long it must have felt for his brother. Incredibly sad situation that's become pretty common place now. beachgurl please show me where I said you shouldnt have posted? Ooops, I should not have posted. I was simply commenting on the appalling fact that it took 10-15 minutes for EMT help to arrive after his brother flagged down a police cruiser for emergency medical help. As far as I am concerned, that very same officer should have been the first one to start first-aid, immediately after alerting their radio operators that they needed an ambulance STAT.
Or are you just jumping on the bandwagon
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