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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 20:49:06 GMT
I just don't understand the unwillingness of so many law enforcement officials and officers to admit that there's a problem, and then actually address it. I think that video that momstime posted perfectly illustrates why there is so much frustration and mistrust of law enforcement. It all just makes me sick. From a previous poster... |
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Post by flanz on Jul 7, 2016 20:50:31 GMT
There is a second video from a different angle and closer. I will try to find a link. Link here: Thanks for looking this up and posting here. I can't bear to watch it right now. |
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Post by flanz on Jul 7, 2016 20:51:42 GMT
I just don't understand the unwillingness of so many law enforcement officials and officers to admit that there's a problem, and then actually address it. I think that video that momstime posted perfectly illustrates why there is so much frustration and mistrust of law enforcement. It all just makes me sick. From a previous poster... This is horrific. The malignancies in the system are widespread!! |
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Post by mallie on Jul 7, 2016 20:59:11 GMT
I am so disgusted that we are still telling our dark skinned children to act subservient to the massa in a law enforcement uniform to TRY to avoid getting shot.
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Post by flanz on Jul 7, 2016 21:03:52 GMT
Wow, thanks so much for sharing this! I couldn't agree with Rosenberg more in his frustration with the lack of good, clean cops standing up and declaring there is murder happening within their ranks! Standing up for what is RIGHT and LEGAL!!! |
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Post by Sam on Jul 7, 2016 21:05:19 GMT
Hi I didn't want to not respond. People seem to lump LEO all together and it's simply not true. Your are 100% right this needs to stop, not just LEO but citzens. I'm tired of hubby coming home bruised, cut, scratched and so much more because somewhere in society it became ok to be uncivilized. His job is to be done with integrity and honor surrounded by horror, disrespect and hate. Wow just wow! Give me a f'ing break! At least he is coming home...unlike 2 men who were killed for no apparent reason! Shitty response, mzza111 - until you find out her husband is a racist killer who didn't put his life and well being on the line every time he goes to work for people like you and I, you don't have the right to make such a statement. I, for one, is pleased that he is coming home and hope he does every day that he does his job protecting the community he works for (with). |
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Post by jennyap on Jul 7, 2016 21:05:27 GMT
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Post by flanz on Jul 7, 2016 21:06:34 GMT
I woke up to the story about Philando Castile and am sick. I probably won't articulate my thoughts well, but IMO there are many issues at play here. One, of course, is racism and racial profiling. As the mother of four biracial boys, I am scared for them and think it is sad that I am more worried for how they may be treated by police that in the community as a whole. I understand that each of these cases has differences, and also understand the fear and apprehension that police have daily as they do their jobs. In addition to race, I feel that this is part of the bigger gun issue that we have in this country. Police have to worry more about who has guns and who doesn't, and it increases the tension in interactions with police. According to the video by his girlfriend, Philando Castile told police he had a gun and was reaching for his license and registration before being shot. I wonder what was going on in the officers head that led to him shooting? Did he misunderstand what he said? I don't get it. Several years ago my husband was stopped on his way home from work (for not having his headlights on, even though it wasn't dark yet). The officer asked for his license and registration and as he reached for it, two officers (one on each side of the car) pulled their guns. I have to say, I have only been stopped a few times but have never had more than one officer there, and never had a gun pulled. Is that because I am a white woman and he is a black man? My mom recently asked me if I have talked to my sons about how to act and what to say in interactions with the police. I hadn't really thought about it at that time, but am now wondering how others have handled this? My brother and SIL recently adopted a baby who was biracial and they had to take a class on race/culture and part of it was on how others may treat their child. One atrocity on top of another. Heartbreaking. Infuriating. My heart goes to you as you worry for the safety of your own family, and to everyone in that position! I hate feeling so impotent in this whole situation, but i am going to do what I can as opportunities present themselves, starting with meetings with local law enforcement being organized by a friend of mine. (((HUGS))) I wish I had more to offer you. |
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Post by flanz on Jul 7, 2016 21:10:13 GMT
I woke up to the story about Philando Castile and am sick. I probably won't articulate my thoughts well, but IMO there are many issues at play here. One, of course, is racism and racial profiling. As the mother of four biracial boys, I am scared for them and think it is sad that I am more worried for how they may be treated by police that in the community as a whole. I understand that each of these cases has differences, and also understand the fear and apprehension that police have daily as they do their jobs. In addition to race, I feel that this is part of the bigger gun issue that we have in this country. Police have to worry more about who has guns and who doesn't, and it increases the tension in interactions with police. According to the video by his girlfriend, Philando Castile told police he had a gun and was reaching for his license and registration before being shot. I wonder what was going on in the officers head that led to him shooting? Did he misunderstand what he said? I don't get it. Several years ago my husband was stopped on his way home from work (for not having his headlights on, even though it wasn't dark yet). The officer asked for his license and registration and as he reached for it, two officers (one on each side of the car) pulled their guns. I have to say, I have only been stopped a few times but have never had more than one officer there, and never had a gun pulled. Is that because I am a white woman and he is a black man? My mom recently asked me if I have talked to my sons about how to act and what to say in interactions with the police. I hadn't really thought about it at that time, but am now wondering how others have handled this? My brother and SIL recently adopted a baby who was biracial and they had to take a class on race/culture and part of it was on how others may treat their child. I hear you. You absolutely must speak to your nonwhite children about racism, police brutality, and what to do and what not to do if stopped. Never ever run, for example. Also they should know that being in a group can make others fearful and uncomfortable. And-black kids are statistically thought of as 3-5 years older than they really are. So your 9 year old could be a menacing 13 year old to some folks. It's a horrible conversationn to have and to continue having but if you don't, your kid-my kid-could be next. I also recommend introducing your children to the police and repeatedly interacting with them is helpful too. If there's ever an interaction and the police know little Shaun, they might not be so fearful of Shaun. It is totally understandable and the responsible thing to do, but it breaks my heart that parents need to have these conversations with their kids! <3 |
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Post by flanz on Jul 7, 2016 21:13:17 GMT
I've been weepy and the video related to the Philando Castile murder has me even more emotional. My pale, pasty blonde daughter's serious boyfriend is black. Not only is he black. He is a raised well, painfully shy, unerringly polite kid who also happens to be 6 foot 3 and built like a linebacker. This worries me to no end. They're both at college, so I can't constantly remind him to be careful, but his parents, DH and I have had more than one conversation about our worry for how their son needs to react in a police situation. Sounds like even if you do all the right things, you're still at risk of dying. And even if he weren't the sweetest guy, even if he had shoplifted or tagged a building or bought some weed when he was 14, he wouldn't deserve to be shot down. I'm a pasty white woman and I feel for you. I can only imagine your and his parents anxiety. However, I also want ALL of us reaping the unasked for benefits of white privilege to CARE ABOUT OUR FELLOW MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN OF COLOR - whether or not we have any of them in our own families. They all matter! If you're reading this and you feel sick about what is happening, PLEASE find ways to make your voices heard somewhere other than just here. Here is fine, it's a good start or part of the conversation, but we need to make our voices known loud and clear out in the world! |
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Post by PaperAngel on Jul 7, 2016 21:13:57 GMT
I'm so sad right now thinking about the fact that iamkristinl16 and Peace Sign need to give their children "special talks" on how to avoid being shot by a police officer. What the hell is the world coming to? How many white moms on here have to give their white teenagers talks about what to do to avoid being shot by police? veSaThese atrocities which grab national attention create opportunities to discuss issues in our society; unfortunately, the frequency of such tragedies highlights that society fails to address or solve these problems at the expense of more lives. Our over 6' tall, athletic, hoodie-wearing 14 y.o. has olive skin & friends/teammates of all races; he participates in travel athletics where games are played in unfamiliar, sometimes not diverse, & occasionally crime-ridden areas/towns/cities. He's frequently mistaken for an adult (with expectations of more mature behavior), so we feel the need to prepare him for various situations. |
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Post by flanz on Jul 7, 2016 21:15:08 GMT
yup. time and time again we have seen how there is no equal justice. white perp... different outcome. ARRGGGHH!!! |
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Post by flanz on Jul 7, 2016 21:19:16 GMT
I don't understand why they took Philando Castile's girlfriend to jail where she sat until 5am??? I don't understand how the police officer panicked over him reaching to his pocket but her holding her phone was a non-issue? In Europe cops shoot to detain a suspect, meaning they will shoot someone in the leg to distract and disable them. I don't understand why in this country cops are taught shoot to kill? I've wondered the same thing for years. What the hell shoot to kill when you can stop someone with a bullet to a leg??? |
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Post by flanz on Jul 7, 2016 21:21:12 GMT
I watched the Philando Castile video, and it just made me sick. I GET that there are thugs (of any race) that would love to shoot a cop. And I'm sure this cop won't be punished because he 'feared for his life.' But usually those people: 1. don't leave their seatbelt on. They take it off so they can run. 2. don't have a concealed carry permit 3. don't TELL the cop they have it in advance 4. don't sit there, complying with the officer's requests, with their girlfriend and 4 year old baby girl in the car before deciding to suddenly off the cop. And then to watch that video where after he's shot and moaning, the cop just stands there with his gun on him until backup arrives? So he basically bled to death? Somebody (on a local news site, not here) said how if they were his girlfriend the last thing they would do is go on Facebook live - they would help him. Umm, yeah, she made one move to "help him" by reaching across his body and she would have been shot too!. We have to use some common sense. Just awful. I support law enforcement. I don't think all cops are bad by any stretch of the imagination. But damn. I believe she somehow had it streaming live on Facebook while recording. i read that later the police threw her camera to the ground. Had she not had the foresight to post immediately, we, the world, may never have known the truth. The amount of lying and covering up that goes on in police departments makes me sick. |
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Post by flanz on Jul 7, 2016 21:24:30 GMT
Freeze frame of Alton sterling
Powerful and heartbreaking |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 21:38:24 GMT
Wow, thanks so much for sharing this! I couldn't agree with Rosenberg more in his frustration with the lack of good, clean cops standing up and declaring there is murder happening within their ranks! Standing up for what is RIGHT and LEGAL!!! I don't think that screaming at people and demanding they form an opinion right now when they say they want to hear and see ALL of the facts before they can make an informed opinion is the right way to have a productive dialogue on the subject. Have we learned nothing from Michael Brown and some of the police videos out there showing why you can't make an informed opinion with only part of the facts? |
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Post by mzza111 on Jul 7, 2016 21:51:30 GMT
Wow just wow! Give me a f'ing break! At least he is coming home...unlike 2 men who were killed for no apparent reason! Shitty response, mzza111 - until you find out her husband is a racist killer who didn't put his life and well being on the line every time he goes to work for people like you and I, you don't have the right to make such a statement. I, for one, is pleased that he is coming home and hope he does every day that he does his job protecting the community he works for (with). I have every right to make my statement. My statement was specifically aimed at Leowife and her f'd up statement. I dont know her husband or what he is or is not. |
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Post by Peace Sign on Jul 7, 2016 22:12:37 GMT
I think it's perfectly fine to be pissed at ALL LEOs *today*.
And tomorrow, all those who are what aren't racist asshats (which yes, is most of them) should be standing up and speaking out about this. Screw the "code"!!!
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Post by Zee on Jul 7, 2016 22:19:55 GMT
It's all horrific The ending of black lives by other black men is just as much of an issue and I wish there was a way to stop all this violence I'm so, so sick of watching the news and setting how many young black men die and it's like so many of them don't value each other or lift each other up, you just have to be a mom or old before you see another way besides fast money and kill or be killed And that's really not just a young black man problem, it's a poverty problem What we are talking about here is the atrocities committed by law enforcement officers who are hired and take oaths to serve and protect!!! Period. Institutionalized racism is the problem. Poverty certainly doesn't help the people of color or anyone in that state, but poverty doesn't make police officers kill people FOR NO DAMN REASON! It's all a problem, every last bit of it |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 7, 2016 22:36:49 GMT
I don't think she's referring to this case at all. I think she making a general statement as to the all facts coming out. Don't assume that anyone asking for the investigation to be completed is sayin that they are looking for a way for the cops to always be right. I don't think you could read that into what I wrote. I kinda assumed since she was responding to this post she may have been referencing recent events too. Then I asked in the form of that post for clarification. Dialogue.Before she could answer you responded. I wasn't saying I got that from reading your post, it was just a continuation of thought on my first paragraph. I'm sorry you read/took it that way. |
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Post by Sarah*H on Jul 7, 2016 22:38:13 GMT
When I start hearing every day LEO speaking out against the blue wall of silence (and not having their careers end because they're brave enough to do so,) maybe then I'll be willing to wait to form an opinion after we witness yet another black man being executed. IMO, silence in this case is complicity and the culture is a big part of the problem.
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Post by Peace Sign on Jul 7, 2016 22:40:00 GMT
When I start hearing every day LEO speaking out against the blue wall of silence (and not having their careers end because they're brave enough to do so,) maybe then I'll be willing to wait to form an opinion after we witness yet another black man being executed. IMO, silence in this case is complicity and the culture is a big part of the problem. 👏👏👏 |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 7, 2016 22:45:26 GMT
Hi I didn't want to not respond. People seem to lump LEO all together and it's simply not true. Your are 100% right this needs to stop, not just LEO but citzens. I'm tired of hubby coming home bruised, cut, scratched and so much more because somewhere in society it became ok to be uncivilized. His job is to be done with integrity and honor surrounded by horror, disrespect and hate. Wow just wow! Give me a f'ing break! At least he is coming home...unlike 2 men who were killed for no apparent reason! Okay that was really uncalled for. She wasn't attacking anyone. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 22:45:51 GMT
When I start hearing every day LEO speaking out against the blue wall of silence ( and not having their careers end because they're brave enough to do so,) maybe then I'll be willing to wait to form an opinion after we witness yet another black man being executed. IMO, silence in this case is complicity and the culture is a big part of the problem. Not just their careers ending, but their lives, because they won't receive backup when needed. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 7, 2016 22:49:26 GMT
Wow, thanks so much for sharing this! I couldn't agree with Rosenberg more in his frustration with the lack of good, clean cops standing up and declaring there is murder happening within their ranks! Standing up for what is RIGHT and LEGAL!!! I don't think that screaming at people and demanding they form an opinion right now when they say they want to hear and see ALL of the facts before they can make an informed opinion is the right way to have a productive dialogue on the subject. Have we learned nothing from Michael Brown and some of the police videos out there showing why you can't make an informed opinion with only part of the facts? This^^ |
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Post by suzastampin on Jul 7, 2016 22:52:37 GMT
I believe the standard is to shut off your car, roll down your window, turn on interior light if it's night, and put your hands on the steering wheel. Don't go reaching for things, and don't get out of the car unless asked to. When they ask for license/registration, ask if you can get it from glove compartment. I taught my son and daughter these things. SaveSaveAnd that is apparently what this man did. He asked to reach for his ID to show he had a license to carry a gun and then was shot when reaching for his back pocket. So if you follow what the police ask and move slowly and still get shot, then what? This! My stomach is sick after seeing both of the incidents on the news. They were practically sitting on the man in Baton Rouge and shot him multiple times at such close range. Did they think they weren't hitting him? I'm thankful the woman was taping her stop so that there is proof of what happened. It's a sad day when one feels the need to video those who are supposed to protect us. Enough is enough and some of these officers need to be found guilty. It seems like they are always being found innocent. |
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Post by Nink on Jul 7, 2016 22:53:51 GMT
Shitty response, mzza111 - until you find out her husband is a racist killer who didn't put his life and well being on the line every time he goes to work for people like you and I, you don't have the right to make such a statement. I, for one, is pleased that he is coming home and hope he does every day that he does his job protecting the community he works for (with). I have every right to make my statement. My statement was specifically aimed at Leowife and her f'd up statement. I dont know her husband or what he is or is not. What specifically about her statement did you deem to be f'd up? I didn't see anything in her post that was inflammatory or negative about the individuals that were shot. |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 7, 2016 22:56:52 GMT
I love how "silence" is complicity for the men in blue but when the comment is made here about why Muslims don't stand up and speak out against terrorism or why Dems don't speak out against immoral acts by Dems, or etc, etc, we're told, "I don't have to speak out against every nut who does something wrong."
Is there no situation where the double standard does not come into play?
ETA...and I know that the response to this will be to try to tell me this situation is "different".
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Post by Olan on Jul 7, 2016 23:11:29 GMT
I have so many mixed feelings regarding how so many of you just don't get it. If you stood in front of me pleading for me to care about something that directly impacts your day to day movements as a citizen of this country my silence, my hesitation to move makes me a monster. Really. Over the years I've thrown countless clicks and votes and silent wishes of support. You guys can't even pretend to give a fuck about what's going on. I really am at a loss.
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Post by chances on Jul 7, 2016 23:28:43 GMT
I have every right to make my statement. My statement was specifically aimed at Leowife and her f'd up statement. I dont know her husband or what he is or is not. What specifically about her statement did you deem to be f'd up? I didn't see anything in her post that was inflammatory or negative about the individuals that were shot. I'm not going to speak for mzza111 but I thought it was a fucked up comment as well. The problem is the false equivalency. Bruises and scratches that are a part of your job are NOT THE SAME as execution style murder. Discussing both as if they are the same (I.e. we all need more civility") trivializes the death of two men. |
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