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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 2:21:15 GMT
... After what he she has said and done in the last week just yesterday, I'm stunned that anyone would still think of voting for him her. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There is Something Very Wrong With Donald Trump Hillary Clinton. You really have no idea how much I would love to think she is a wonderful woman who would make a good president. Even to the point of recognizing that this point in history is a chance for her to rise up and become that woman everyone was talking about at the DNC convention. What an opportunity! Anyone who has ever desperately needed a second chance to change their life understands what has been handed to Hillary Clinton on a silver platter. I certainly do. She responded to the opportunity the first chance she had with even more obvious lies. Can you imagine how she would be treated here on this board if she behaved this way? ETA - I really don't want to argue about this right now. I've erased the last couple of sentences since Trump is no picnic either. I don't want to argue with you lefty, so I hope you don't think I was trying to do that. I may not agree with you about voting for Trump, but I have always appreciated that you have remained respectful to those that you disagree with. I do agree with you that I would also love to believe that Hillary is a wonderful woman who would make a great President. Here's the thing: I think we'd be hard pressed to find any politician who is a wonderful person. I am not at all happy with the DNC and the fact that Hillary got the nomination. I think there were better options. However, all that pales in the wake of Donald Trump getting the nod from the RNC. Hillary has tons of faults, but I do not believe she's anywhere near as dangerous as Trump for our country and the world as President. I just don't understand how anyone could vote for someone for someone getting nods of approval from the likes of Putin and Kim Jon Un. He's a dangerous hate monger. I could not begin to live with myself if I voted for someone like Trump. I'm still very conflicted about voting for Hillary, and am waiting to see what third party candidates show up on my state's ballot. Since my state's electoral votes are practically guaranteed to go to the Republicans, if my vote is once again worthless, I'll most likely be voting third party. But if things start looking close, I'd vote for her over Trump in a nanosecond. It's a crappy position to be in. But there's right and there's wrong. Trump is just wrong and there is no way I'm going to give a vote to that kind of evil. |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 2, 2016 2:44:44 GMT
She IS a great candidate, and that is why my head wants to explode when she does some dumbass thing like this. WTF, Hillary. I expect dumbassery from Trump, not from you. Just stop now. The nuclear codes are at stake. Lucy, this is how she behaves, how she has always behaved, and how we should expect her to continue to behave. Why is anyone surprised here? That's what I don't get. Go read the article linked by SockMonkey upthread. Written by a journalist who's never been a big fan of hers. Jill Abramson article about Hillary's trustworthiness in The Guardian
On second thought, don't bother. I know how you feel about her and I don't expect you to change your mind. But if you want to get why others of us do trust her for the most part, maybe this piece will help you understand. |
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Post by DinCA on Aug 2, 2016 2:45:39 GMT
After the convention, I vowed to keep an open mind and then this happened. What the heck was I thinking? How can I put my trust in someone who proves over and over again that she is untrustworthy? I can't. If she will tell a bald-faced lie about a proven lie, then what else is she lying about? It's reprehensible.
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Post by scrapbookwriter on Aug 2, 2016 2:59:31 GMT
Here's my position:
I am fearful of Hillary Clinton because she doesn't tell the truth.
I am fearful of Donald Trump because he does.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 2, 2016 3:12:06 GMT
Yes, going after her personal appearance/clothing is hateful and wrong. Of all the things you could legitimately criticize her for, you go for this? Ridiculous. Are you serious? Did you go after anyone on this board for talking about Trumps hair or calling him a cheeto? Please your feigned outrage is comical. Want something more substantive? Why did Hillary's people get two of the three debates scheduled opposite during NFL games? The DNC is using the same playbook they used in the debates with Sanders. Well, now we know who's been swallowing Trump's nonsense without another thought. This is nearly word for word what he tweeted about it. As you no doubt have learned by now, the dates were set by an independent debate commission last year, long before the football game schedule was set. Many past presidential debates have been scheduled against baseball or football games, and somehow people managed. Perhaps if Trump had ever bothered to watch a presidential debate in the past, he'd be aware of that. "Hillary's people" had nothing to do with it, and trust me, he's more afraid of debating her than she is of him.  In addition, he lied about getting a letter from the NFL about it. He is out of his ever-lovin' mind. So ... sorry, nothing substantive here after all. |
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 2, 2016 4:15:20 GMT
Here's my position: I am fearful of Hillary Clinton because she doesn't tell the truth. I am fearful of Donald Trump because he does. You summed it up so well except Trump has been caught lying as well. He says it was taken out of context like Hillary misspoke or embellished. They are very much alike in that way. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 2, 2016 4:21:26 GMT
You really have no idea how much I would love to think she is a wonderful woman who would make a good president. Even to the point of recognizing that this point in history is a chance for her to rise up and become that woman everyone was talking about at the DNC convention. What an opportunity! Anyone who has ever desperately needed a second chance to change their life understands what has been handed to Hillary Clinton on a silver platter. I certainly do. She responded to the opportunity the first chance she had with even more obvious lies. Can you imagine how she would be treated here on this board if she behaved this way? ETA - I really don't want to argue about this right now. I've erased the last couple of sentences since Trump is no picnic either. I don't want to argue with you lefty, so I hope you don't think I was trying to do that. I may not agree with you about voting for Trump, but I have always appreciated that you have remained respectful to those that you disagree with. I do agree with you that I would also love to believe that Hillary is a wonderful woman who would make a great President. Here's the thing: I think we'd be hard pressed to find any politician who is a wonderful person. I am not at all happy with the DNC and the fact that Hillary got the nomination. I think there were better options. However, all that pales in the wake of Donald Trump getting the nod from the RNC. Hillary has tons of faults, but I do not believe she's anywhere near as dangerous as Trump for our country and the world as President. I just don't understand how anyone could vote for someone for someone getting nods of approval from the likes of Putin and Kim Jon Un. He's a dangerous hate monger. I could not begin to live with myself if I voted for someone like Trump. I'm still very conflicted about voting for Hillary, and am waiting to see what third party candidates show up on my state's ballot. Since my state's electoral votes are practically guaranteed to go to the Republicans, if my vote is once again worthless, I'll most likely be voting third party. But if things start looking close, I'd vote for her over Trump in a nanosecond. It's a crappy position to be in. But there's right and there's wrong. Trump is just wrong and there is no way I'm going to give a vote to that kind of evil.  I'm going to do us all a favor and not post my rebuttal right now. You're welcome.  |
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 2, 2016 4:29:44 GMT
People need to get the heck over it. The thought - the very idea - that ANYONE could vote for Donald Trump over a woman who has contributed as much as Hillary Clinton has is insane to me. There are more candidates than Trump or Hillary. Voters have more options. Also, votes do not carry much weight depending on the states where you live. If you do not live in a swing state, a state with few electoral votes, or most Western states, you could vote for Trump, Clinton, or write in your uncle and your vote would not matter. The election is usually called before Hawaii is done voting. I'll vote with my conscience but not be fooled that there are only 2 options. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 2, 2016 4:30:37 GMT
Lucy, this is how she behaves, how she has always behaved, and how we should expect her to continue to behave. Why is anyone surprised here? That's what I don't get. Go read the article linked by SockMonkey upthread. Written by a journalist who's never been a big fan of hers. Jill Abramson article about Hillary's trustworthiness in The Guardian
On second thought, don't bother. I know how you feel about her and I don't expect you to change your mind. But if you want to get why others of us do trust her for the most part, maybe this piece will help you understand. I don't think you and I disagree on anything more than Bill and Hillary Clinton. It's actually nice to just recognize those differences and leave them as they are.  I'll check out the article in a bit. |
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Post by scrapbookwriter on Aug 2, 2016 16:01:24 GMT
Here's my position: I am fearful of Hillary Clinton because she doesn't tell the truth. I am fearful of Donald Trump because he does. You summed it up so well except Trump has been caught lying as well. He says it was taken out of context like Hillary misspoke or embellished. They are very much alike in that way. , of course this is an oversimplification. Certainly Donald Trump has been caught lying. And I am sure Hillary Clinton has been caught telling the truth  The thing is, Donald Trump's truths scare me as much as Hillary Clinton's lies. |
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Post by Montannie on Aug 2, 2016 17:15:43 GMT
Did anyone else notice that when Hillary clinched the nomination as well as in her acceptance speech she was dressed in white like a new bride or Mrs. Clean? I think it's going to take a lot more than that visual to get the stank off her. She dressed in white to honor the suffragettes who worked to get women the vote. ETA: I reacted before I read the entire thread. |
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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 2, 2016 17:27:25 GMT
If Trump becomes president, the world will have Clinton to blame. I was thinking, this woman honestly believes that she can say black is white and people will just believe her. She is a sociopathic liar, unable to tell the truth. I have voted Democrat before, and if the candidate this year was anywhere close to the middle and halfway decent, they would have my vote. Hillary comes close to neither of those criteria by any stretch of the imagination. |
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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 2, 2016 17:32:22 GMT
Yes, going after her personal appearance/clothing is hateful and wrong. Of all the things you could legitimately criticize her for, you go for this? Ridiculous. Say what Going after appearance is hateful and wrong? Since when? I can't count the number of times I have read comments about Donald Trump's skin tone and criticism of his hairstyle on here. Comparing him to a cheeto. Innumerable. |
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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 2, 2016 17:48:58 GMT
but if there is any chance of the race being close in Texas, I don't feel I can in good conscience vote third party. I thought you and your husband made a mutual pact not to vote for Hillary and Trump respectively. Have the two of you discussed this and released each other mutually? Or would you secretly vote for Hillary? |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 2, 2016 17:50:41 GMT
but if there is any chance of the race being close in Texas, I don't feel I can in good conscience vote third party. I thought you and your husband made a mutual pact not to vote for Hillary and Trump respectively. Have the two of you discussed this and released each other mutually? Or would you secretly vote for Hillary? None of your business?? |
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Post by happymomma on Aug 2, 2016 17:55:27 GMT
Yes, going after her personal appearance/clothing is hateful and wrong. Of all the things you could legitimately criticize her for, you go for this? Ridiculous. Say what Going after appearance is hateful and wrong? Since when? I can't count the number of times I have read comments about Donald Trump's skin tone and criticism of his hairstyle on here. Comparing him to a cheeto. Innumerable. The Oompa Loompa reference is constant as well. Both sides do it daily, but IMO Trump is described by his looks way more often. It's ridiculous all the way around, but it's "acceptable" to do it to Trump. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 17:59:19 GMT
Yes, going after her personal appearance/clothing is hateful and wrong. Of all the things you could legitimately criticize her for, you go for this? Ridiculous. Say what Going after appearance is hateful and wrong? Since when? I can't count the number of times I have read comments about Donald Trump's skin tone and criticism of his hairstyle on here. Comparing him to a cheeto. Innumerable. Not to mention, no one on Hillary's side said a word, not a word, when they did the same exact thing to Melania and her white dress. |
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Post by MizIndependent on Aug 2, 2016 18:21:15 GMT
Boiling this bs down to what the candidates (or their wives) are wearing or how they look only distracts from the actual important issues of this campaign.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 18:53:07 GMT
Yes, going after her personal appearance/clothing is hateful and wrong. Of all the things you could legitimately criticize her for, you go for this? Ridiculous. Say what Going after appearance is hateful and wrong? Since when? I can't count the number of times I have read comments about Donald Trump's skin tone and criticism of his hairstyle on here. Comparing him to a cheeto. Innumerable. I don't think I expressed my thoughts clearly, but here goes with another try. backtopeality was using Hillary's clothing to launch a personal attack on her-the comments about trying to dress like a virginal bride or some sort of Mrs. Clean, and then went on to say that a white outfit would not be enough to rub the "stank" off her. IMO, that's just beyond the pale with the nasty. If you disagree, I can live with that. I stated my opinion and I stand by it, even if I wasn't clear enough when trying to articulate it. I do think jabs at peoples' personal appearance are mean. I'm not perfect and I have laughed at some of the Trump stuff like the hair memes and I particularly enjoyed one Scot's description of him as a 'mangled apricot hellbeast.' I guess that makes me a hypocrite WRT to jokes about Trump's appearance. Alrighty then. I admit that I don't feel bad when bullying assholes are served a dose of their own medicine. The irony of Trump supporters claiming to be upset by jabs at his personal appearance is amusing, though. The man who has constantly attacked Rosie O'Donnell's appearance, mocked and mimicked the physical appearance and disabilities of a reporter, and so much more . . . I'm certainly not alone in my hypocrisy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 2, 2016 18:57:00 GMT
I thought you and your husband made a mutual pact not to vote for Hillary and Trump respectively. Have the two of you discussed this and released each other mutually? Or would you secretly vote for Hillary? None of your business?? Didn't she make it our business when she told us about it here? No one coerced her into talking about it. |
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Post by peano on Aug 2, 2016 19:04:10 GMT
If Trump becomes president, the world will have Clinton to blame. I was thinking, this woman honestly believes that she can say black is white and people will just believe her. She is a sociopathic liar, unable to tell the truth. I have voted Democrat before, and if the candidate this year was anywhere close to the middle and halfway decent, they would have my vote. Hillary comes close to neither of those criteria by any stretch of the imagination. Most human beings are not impeccably honest; we tell little white lies...and worse. Telling a lie is not synonymous with being a sociopath. Are you familiar with the multiple DSM-5 criteria for the diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder? Because Hillary Clinton may be dishonest at times but she is in no way, shape or form a sociopath...and for you to assert that is at best, misinformed or ignorant...or <GASP> a lie. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 19:14:52 GMT
Didn't she make it our business when she told us about it here? No one coerced her into talking about it. Yes, I believe she did. |
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Post by Merge on Aug 2, 2016 19:19:36 GMT
Didn't she make it our business when she told us about it here? No one coerced her into talking about it. Yes, I believe she did. It's not y'all's business unless I choose to share further. Since I haven't made any decision yet, there's nothing to share. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 19:26:11 GMT
It's not y'all's business unless I choose to share further. Since I haven't made any decision yet, there's nothing to share. You did share further... ...and that's what BeckyTech was discussing with you. Now suddenly it's none of her business? |
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Post by moretimeplease on Aug 2, 2016 19:42:41 GMT
It's not y'all's business unless I choose to share further. Since I haven't made any decision yet, there's nothing to share. You did share further... ...and that's what BeckyTech was discussing with you. Now suddenly it's none of her business? The agreement with her husband is the part that's "nunya". I'm sure you grasped that, but you wanted to take your jab anyway... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 19:50:37 GMT
You did share further... ...and that's what BeckyTech was discussing with you. Now suddenly it's none of her business? The agreement with her husband is the part that's "nunya". I'm sure you grasped that, but you wanted to take your jab anyway... No, I didn't grasp that, because it's not graspable. She shared the agreement and now the agreement is suddenly none of BeckyTech's business. That makes no sense and it looks more like the jab was coming from Lucy and Merge, not me. |
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Post by moretimeplease on Aug 2, 2016 19:55:07 GMT
The agreement with her husband is the part that's "nunya". I'm sure you grasped that, but you wanted to take your jab anyway... No, I didn't grasp that, because it's not graspable. She shared the agreement and now the agreement is suddenly none of BeckyTech's business. That makes no sense and it looks more like the jab was coming from Lucy and Merge, not me. Wow, you'd rather admit to being obtuse than petty. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 20:05:17 GMT
No, I didn't grasp that, because it's not graspable. She shared the agreement and now the agreement is suddenly none of BeckyTech's business. That makes no sense and it looks more like the jab was coming from Lucy and Merge, not me. Wow, you'd rather admit to being obtuse than petty. No, I just think it's bullshit to share something and make it everyone's business, then when someone who has a different opinion talks to you about it, you tell them what you shared is none of their business. That'a clear jab. I also think it's bullshit to then turn it around on someone who points out that it doesn't make sense, as the person who's taking the jab. SSDD |
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Post by birukitty on Aug 2, 2016 20:08:39 GMT
She is a sociopathic liar, unable to tell the truth. I have voted Democrat before, and if the candidate this year was anywhere close to the middle and halfway decent, they would have my vote. Hillary comes close to neither of those criteria by any stretch of the imagination. Most human beings are not impeccably honest; we tell little white lies...and worse. Telling a lie is not synonymous with being a sociopath. Are you familiar with the multiple DSM-5 criteria for the diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder? Because Hillary Clinton may be dishonest at times but she is in no way, shape or form a sociopath...and for you to assert that is at best, misinformed or ignorant...or <GASP> a lie. In my opinion I think there is something mentally ill about Hillary Clinton's lying. A person running for president doesn't tell such blatant lies such as the one she told regarding landing in the helicopter and running for the tarmac under gunfire when there is a video of the same helicopter landing and it shows her stepping out of said helicopter peacefully greeting people, shaking their hands and receiving flowers. If I was running for president I would know that sort of lie would easily be proven false by the video. This happens over and over and over again. So why does she do it? It's hurting her in the polls. She's know as the least trustworthy candidate. It makes logical sense that she can't help herself. Sure all politicians lie. But not to this extent. It's the reason she has lost my vote. I cannot believe one word that comes out of her mouth. Sure she has promised to endorse some of Bernie's platform, but I believe with my whole mind and heart that the day she becomes president (if that day comes) all of that will be thrown out the window. She will say anything to be elected. A person that flip flops this much, that lies this much cannot be trusted. What most people do not understand is that we don't have just two candidates to choose from this election. We have four. We also have Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party-check her out at jill2016.com and we have Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party. Check him out at johnsonweld.com Don't vote out of fear. |
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