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Post by lucillebluth on Aug 3, 2016 12:36:10 GMT
disagreeing with someone's account is not disparaging them Needs to be repeated. |
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Post by terri on Aug 3, 2016 12:40:14 GMT
Exactly Sarah! I am also a Bernie supporter and one who really dislikes Hillary and I totally agree with everything Sarah said. Trump's statements are often so ridiculous and the follow-ups by him and his supporters go even further down a strange road (for example yesterday on CNN his main spokesperson directly blamed Obama for Mr. Khan being killed as an officer even though Obama was a state senator at the time and when he did become a US Senator he voted against invading Iraq). That said, I also don't feel the need to post everything outrageous he says though I get why people do, and that certainly doesn't make them shills. As for your policy points (which I wish we heard more about during this campaign), I do agree with you on some things. Particularly TPP, Hillary's foreign policy while Secretary of State, and what I view as a very pro-Wall Sreet versus "Main Street" attitude, and yes it really bothers me that she still has not released the transcripts of paid speeches. The problem is I think Trump's policies on almost everything you listed (besides TPP) are worst. I was an International Relations major and Trump's comments on NATO and supporting more countries having nuclear weapons frighten me. I can't even imagine what it would be like without an EPA - imagine multitudes of more polluted sites like those in the Superfund days. The economy was terrible when Obama took over and while I am concerned over the divide between rich and poor, objectively the economy is much improved. Obamacare may not be perfect but millions of people who never had health insurance now have it and people like me with rare chronic illnesses are no longer able to be dumped by their insurance companies. Part of what is happening is that on days when he holds two rallies, our news sites update constantly as the day goes along. So when he says/does something outrageous, the last story gets bumped and the latest greatest things takes over our attention. Then after each episode, his campaign people come onto the newstertainment shows to defend him and often say even more outrageous things. He also tends to tweet at night after his daily campaign events are over and again in the morning after he digests the morning headlines. It results in this constant dribble of "he did/said WHAT now?" I expect things will settle down considerably once the Olympics start on Friday. (Of course, he may lose his mind when he's not the center of attention anymore and go even more crazy.) All of that being said, I agree with you. I wasn't kidding when I said I have to limit myself to 3 Trump related outrages a day. The last 5 days have been kind of overwhelming for political junkies. As for the OP, it must be frustrating to have this kind of candidate as your party's nominee. If he wins, you'll have to come up with a different insult for the tidal waves of those critical of his public statements and behavior because "Hillary shills" will have lost its sting. Signed, Someone who voted for Bernie ETA: Just turned on Morning Joe to see them talking about some report that says Trump may drop out, assume the martyr mantle, and the party will select someone in his place. And at 7:50 am, they ended the segment with "Have we missed anything else he's said yet this morning?" Let today's roller coaster begin. |
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 3, 2016 12:51:56 GMT
re: Mrs. Smith and Mr. Kahn
I started seeing some reports that there was a allegation that the actual broadcasting of the two speeches was different-as in Mrs. Smith's was not seen on the majority of main news stations whereas Mr. Kahn's was not. This turned out to be not true-it was seen in it's in entirety on CNN/MSNBC/C-Span. From that point, there was conversation about Mrs. Smith's speech and her comments. Mr. Kahn's speech was equally passionate, see on the major news outlets, and similar discussions were made about the comments.
It wasn't until Mr. Trump's comments were injected into the conversation that it became a bigger and more prolonged discussion. There was no similar response to Mrs. Smith's speech from a major party member which also meant that the conversation moved on.
From what I can see, on the surface the two speeches were similar, but over time, the comparison no longer was valid.
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Post by Country Ham on Aug 3, 2016 13:11:03 GMT
OMG I am so stupid. I thought she was calling out a poster named "Hillary Shills" for starting so many threads, Ie: are you getting paid for the threads you start. sigh....
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Post by elaine on Aug 3, 2016 13:12:01 GMT
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Post by MerryMom on Aug 3, 2016 13:14:21 GMT
I guess it is because Trump has really been on a "crazy train" lately. As to the comment about what people "think" versus factual information, I can offer no better than John Oliver about "emphasizing feelings over facts". link scroll to 3:35 But yes, I am getting paid by the thread, I'm sitting here at a luxury resort sipping my rum drink. But seriously, it must be so difficult for the Republicans right now. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 3, 2016 13:15:20 GMT
I guess it is because Trump has really been on a "crazy train" lately. But yes, I am getting paid by the thread, I'm sitting here at a luxury resort sipping my rum drink. But seriously, it must be so difficult for the Republicans right now. I like rum. I may need some if this keeps up much longer. |
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Post by elaine on Aug 3, 2016 13:22:25 GMT
I guess it is because Trump has really been on a "crazy train" lately. But yes, I am getting paid by the thread, I'm sitting here at a luxury resort sipping my rum drink. But seriously, it must be so difficult for the Republicans right now. I like rum. I may need some if this keeps up much longer. I'll be sitting on a lounger by the pool next to you two, sipping my Mai Tai.  |
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 3, 2016 13:23:48 GMT
I like rum. I may need some if this keeps up much longer. I'll be sitting on a lounger by the pool next to you two, sipping my Mai Tai. And we can have our yarn and look like the total innocents that we are.  |
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Post by tincin on Aug 3, 2016 13:26:13 GMT
I get fed up with the fact that the media has never even PRETENDED to be fair. Of course the Donald doesn't do any favors, but the way any event is covered in the press will color people's perceptions. If they attacked and everything Hillary does in the worst possible light with the glee that they report on everything Trump does, it would be a different story. But it's completely unbalanced. To me the most shameful thing of all is the difference in the way the Khan situation was portrayed vs Pat Smith. Donald Trump had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with their sons death, and they somehow called him out for it with the wholehearted support of the media. Hillary was directly involved with the events that led to the death of Pat Smith's son and yet Pat Smith has been vilified. It's just ridiculous. Now I'm reading articles claiming THAT is not true (e.g. the disparity in the treatment of these two events.) The media is clearly taking their cue from Hillary - no, look over here, those facts are not facts, because I say so. That's rich coming from a supporter of the candidate that the media put in. None of the other candidates got 10% of the coverage Trump got. He could have gone to the opening of a new porta potty and gotten coverage. Now that same media is somehow skewing things to favor Hillary. Please, the man can't keep his ignorance from flowing out of that big mouth of his. As for being a Hillary shill? Hardly, I'm a Bernie fan but similar to you, I would vote for Mickey Mouse before I'd vote for the Prumpkin man. |
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Post by elaine on Aug 3, 2016 13:26:44 GMT
I'll be sitting on a lounger by the pool next to you two, sipping my Mai Tai. And we can have our yarn and look like the total innocents that we are.   |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 13:38:56 GMT
I get fed up with the fact that the media has never even PRETENDED to be fair. Of course the Donald doesn't do any favors, but the way any event is covered in the press will color people's perceptions. If they attacked and everything Hillary does in the worst possible light with the glee that they report on everything Trump does, it would be a different story. But it's completely unbalanced. To me the most shameful thing of all is the difference in the way the Khan situation was portrayed vs Pat Smith. Donald Trump had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with their sons death, and they somehow called him out for it with the wholehearted support of the media. Hillary was directly involved with the events that led to the death of Pat Smith's son and yet Pat Smith has been vilified. It's just ridiculous. Now I'm reading articles claiming THAT is not true (e.g. the disparity in the treatment of these two events.) The media is clearly taking their cue from Hillary - no, look over here, those facts are not facts, because I say so. That's rich coming from a supporter of the candidate that the media put in. None of the other candidates got 10% of the coverage Trump got. He could have gone to the opening of a new porta potty and gotten coverage. Now that same media is somehow skewing things to favor Hillary. Please, the man can't keep his ignorance from flowing out of that big mouth of his. As for being a Hillary shill? Hardly, I'm a Bernie fan but similar to you, I would vote for Mickey Mouse before I'd vote for the Prumpkin man. Huh? In my post I question the bias/tone/positioning of the coverage Trump gets vs Hillary, not the quantity. No matter how far you lean to the left, I find it disingenuous not to acknowledge that. And I'm not the OP, but I do questioned how people can be so excited about Hillary except as possibly the lesser of two evils. SaveSaveSaveSave |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 3, 2016 13:45:05 GMT
I'll be sitting on a lounger by the pool next to you two, sipping my Mai Tai. And we can have our yarn and look like the total innocents that we are. Hee. Here's the thing: In my head, Elaine is always wearing running clothes and Lefty always looks like a brooding heartthrob vampire. So I read this and my head immediately conjured a picture of Elaine and Lefty/Angel-the-Vampire sitting poolside and knitting, feigning innocence, and drinking a Polynesian drink as big as thir heads. With two straws. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 13:46:41 GMT
Becky, seriously, step back and consider how your post comes across to Hillary supporters. You really want constructive debate on the issues? Don't start with a rant accusing posters of being desperate shills. (I saw multiple posts yesterday calling Hillary mentally ill--I guess Trump supporters are desperate.) Are *you* being paid by the Trump campaign? You obviously spend time on this, I'm just not sure to what end. (Oh dear, I hope you're not Katrina Pierson.) To be fair, how many posts have there been basically saying anyone who would even consider supporting Trump is, pick one: an idiot, racist, homophobe, bigot, hillbilly etc. "Shill" is practically a compliment in comparison. SaveSave |
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Post by scorpeao on Aug 3, 2016 14:06:07 GMT
Every time I turn around there is another "Trump said this!" thread or a "Why Hillary is better than Trump!" thread. Seriously, you guys are looking desperate. Now the Hillary backers are so desperate they are even saying Trump is crazy because nothing else has worked.
Doesn't it give you pause to think just how bad Hillary is that a guy like Trump is running about even with her in the polls?
Nope. It's the nature of politics. Trump is going to get about 46% of the votes no matter what people vote down party lines. Same with Hillary. It's the swing voters in the middle that are going to decide the election. I'm shocked that you don't know this... And how can you not see that Trump IS crazy? I don't follow politics at all. If Cruz would've gotten the nomination it would be politics as usual for me. Trump can't keep his mouth shut. Look what he did to the Kahn family? How is his reaction rational? Did you see the video where he kicked the baby out? It was fine until he started ridiculing the mother to the audience. As I watched it I thought "oh, people are looking for anything to trash Trump now." But then he couldn't let it go. Had to continue on telling the audience "she thought I loved crying babies. She thought I was serious." He's an asshole and we cannot have that in charge of our country. How is he going to react when there's criticism of him by other world leaders? Becky you're smart. I respect you and your opinions on most things, but I scratch my head at this one. I get hating Hillary, but to think Trump should be the leader of this country?  |
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 3, 2016 14:06:48 GMT
And we can have our yarn and look like the total innocents that we are. Hee. Here's the thing: In my head, Elaine is always wearing running clothes and Lefty always looks like a brooding heartthrob vampire. So I read this and my head immediately conjured a picture of Elaine and Lefty/Angel-the-Vampire sitting poolside and knitting, feigning innocence, and drinking a Polynesian drink as big as thir heads. With two straws. Works for me. |
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Post by Nink on Aug 3, 2016 14:21:59 GMT
We must have been listening to a different speech. The Kahn's were not calling out Trump for the death of their son. They were calling him out on his anti-Muslim agenda. Reminding him that Muslims are every bit as patriotic as every other American and serving in the military and sacrificing their lives for the United States. That all ethnicities and religions have sacrificed for this Country at some point. Come on! You are spinning too, now. First: That's not exactly how it was presented. Whipping out the constitution, claiming that Trump has "never sacrificed anyone or anything" etc. It was meant to somehow make him look at fault. (Remind me, did Hillary or Obama sacrifice someone in the war?) Second, and more importantly: I'm commenting on how the two grieving parents, who each lost children in service to their country, were treated by the media based on which party they were affiliated with. NOT the exact words that either of them used. SaveSaveYes, you're right he did whip out the Constitution...to remind Donald that everyone is entitled to fair and equal protection under the law and their son died defending that right. And again you're right that Hillary and Obama have not sacrificed someone in war, but they're not trying to discriminate against an entire group of people based on their religion either. So there is that. As for the media, I don't believe even half of what I read from any of them. |
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Post by mzza111 on Aug 3, 2016 14:29:09 GMT
Setting aside the OP (tl;dr) the sheer volume of Trump threads is becoming rather tiresome. I'd love if there could be just one "Latest Trump outrage" thread that was just added to instead of starting a new one, at least for a few days at a time. No way! I want all his supporters reminded of the disgusting human being they are supporting. It says way more about them than it does about Don the Con. |
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Post by Skypea on Aug 3, 2016 14:29:33 GMT
I see the right wing wackos are in a panic! I LOVE IT! why is it you are seldom, if ever, here except during an election time? |
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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 3, 2016 15:04:29 GMT
To respond to a few things:
1. I used the word "shills" because collectively the number of threads add up and are overwhelming the board. I know, skim past, and I do, but really, the impression I get is what I stated. 2. Trump says dumb stuff. 3. Not a supporter. I'm not a supporter of anyone. To me there is a difference between supporting someone and voting for them. Supporting someone says you really like them, they are important to you, reflect your views, etc. Voting for them means you pull the lever and walk away; you have no emotional engagement. 4. I'm not a registered Republican, I'm a registered Unaffiliated. I've voted both ways in the past. Don't care about "The Party."
5. Someone used the words "upset and outraged." Who's outraged? It's tiresome. And no, MizIndependent doesn't start 5-10 threads a day about Hillary.
That would be optimal. Then I wouldn't have to write in my dog, who would be a better president than either of the people currently running, IMO.
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 3, 2016 15:08:12 GMT
Then I wouldn't have to write in my dog, who would be a better president than either of the people currently running  |
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 3, 2016 15:09:47 GMT
It does look a bit "caramel in a can" mixed with "the wonders of coconut oil" around here.
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Post by elaine on Aug 3, 2016 15:33:10 GMT
Hee. Here's the thing: In my head, Elaine is always wearing running clothes and Lefty always looks like a brooding heartthrob vampire. So I read this and my head immediately conjured a picture of Elaine and Lefty/Angel-the-Vampire sitting poolside and knitting, feigning innocence, and drinking a Polynesian drink as big as thir heads. With two straws. Works for me. Me too.  |
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Post by flute4peace on Aug 3, 2016 15:40:07 GMT
I'll be sitting on a lounger by the pool next to you two, sipping my Mai Tai. And we can have our yarn and look like the total innocents that we are. Yarn? I'm in!! But can I have Diet Pepsi? |
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Post by tmarschall on Aug 3, 2016 15:47:00 GMT
I guess it is because Trump has really been on a "crazy train" lately. As to the comment about what people "think" versus factual information, I can offer no better than John Oliver about "emphasizing feelings over facts". link scroll to 3:35 But yes, I am getting paid by the thread, I'm sitting here at a luxury resort sipping my rum drink. But seriously, it must be so difficult for the Republicans right now. Luxury resort? Rum drink? How do I get that gig?? Seriously feeling a little put out...I've been a Hillary supporter for a long time. I would have thought my $20 donation and loyal support would have earned me top shilling status! |
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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 3, 2016 15:51:16 GMT
Becky, if you just apologized to Merge for being so inappropriate to her on the other thread, you wouldn't have to sublimate all that shame and anger for being called out on it into this thread. Starting a thread to simply call people who have different political views names? Not typical of you. I can only guess how shitty you feel about asking Merge about stuff between her and her husband. You are starting to appear to be frothing at the mouth as you sit at your keyboard. To be expected by other peas, but not usually you. An apology probably would have given a lot more relief for you than this thread. Elaine, this was my conversation with Merge yesterday, and remember, she was the one that brought her agreement with her husband to the forum:
but if there is any chance of the race being close in Texas, I don't feel I can in good conscience vote third party. I thought you and your husband made a mutual pact not to vote for Hillary and Trump respectively. Have the two of you discussed this and released each other mutually? Or would you secretly vote for Hillary?
It's not y'all's business unless I choose to share further. Since I haven't made any decision yet, there's nothing to share.
If that exchange rises to the level of anger, shame, and frothing, maybe you need a little perspective.
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Post by elaine on Aug 3, 2016 15:58:20 GMT
Becky, if you just apologized to Merge for being so inappropriate to her on the other thread, you wouldn't have to sublimate all that shame and anger for being called out on it into this thread. Starting a thread to simply call people who have different political views names? Not typical of you. I can only guess how shitty you feel about asking Merge about stuff between her and her husband. You are starting to appear to be frothing at the mouth as you sit at your keyboard. To be expected by other peas, but not usually you. An apology probably would have given a lot more relief for you than this thread. Elaine, this was my conversation with Merge yesterday, and remember, she was the one that brought her agreement with her husband to the forum:
I thought you and your husband made a mutual pact not to vote for Hillary and Trump respectively. Have the two of you discussed this and released each other mutually? Or would you secretly vote for Hillary?
It's not y'all's business unless I choose to share further. Since I haven't made any decision yet, there's nothing to share.
If that exchange rises to the level of anger, shame, and frothing, maybe you need a little perspective.
I guess that if I were you: 1) I wouldn't repost my rudeness in another thread; and 2) I would be squirming with shame at all the posters - who you didn't quote - who took the time to tell me how inappropriate I was. So, yeah, if I crossed that personal line that you did, and had multiple people call me on it, it would lead to the level of anger and shame I read in your OP. But, your reaction is identical to what Trump would do: 1) refuse to apologize; 2) make weak excuses for why your behavior was okay in your mind (not in anyone else's but Gia); and 3) double-down by reposting your faux pas. |
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Post by lisae on Aug 3, 2016 16:04:47 GMT
Desperate? Why on earth would any democrat be desperate? Donald Trump is the best thing that ever happened to the democratic party. If the Republican's don't disown him soon, he is not only going to cost them a chance at the White House he will lose the Senate for them and some House seats.
Plus he's like the Kardashians. He contributes nothing to society and is just there to talk about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 16:05:26 GMT
Then I wouldn't have to write in my dog, who would be a better president than either of the people currently running, IMO.
I am peeved that my state does not allow write-ins. I'd totally vote for your dog.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 16:10:00 GMT
Desperate? Why on earth would any democrat be desperate? Donald Trump is the best thing that ever happened to the democratic party. If the Republican's don't disown him soon, he is not only going to cost them a chance at the White House he will lose the Senate for them and some House seats. Plus he's like the Kardashians. He contributes nothing to society and is just there to talk about. At this point, this is about all I can hope for. My dream is to see every single Congressional incumbent (R or D) ousted. Maybe then elected officials will start listening to those they are supposed to represent. Our system needs some massive overhauls. |
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