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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 31, 2016 2:43:28 GMT
950nancy thanks, you're making me laugh while I'm dealing with my 16 ye war old DS! He's being snippy to my face, and sending me silly snaochats at the same time. I love boys!
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all5ofme
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Post by all5ofme on Aug 31, 2016 11:30:03 GMT
Someone is dissing on folks here in the Victoria Marie FB Group...
Tracie Claiborne 6 hrs I was just reading on a message board about Becky Higgins' new release of wrapping paper and the comments about Becky just made me shake my head. A handful of people are adamant that she is clueless, doesn't know her audience, ignores feedback from her customer base, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It makes me wonder why so many scrapbookers feel entitled to such strong opinions? Is it because they feel they have lined the pockets of someone like Becky and so it gives them the right to be super opinionated about how she should conduct herself and her business? I have seen this over and over again in the 15 years I have been scrapbooking. People become convinced they have all the answers and feel they are entitled to criticize and pick apart someone successful, simply because they've watched them become a success over the years. Someone even had the audacity to imply that Becky is only a success because she was at the right place at the right time once and sat next to Lisa Bearnson in a church. Well aren't all of us who are successful, successful because at some point in our life, we were at the right place at the right time? But you can't overlook the fact that Becky is a smart cookie who is ambitious and creative. I wanted to post this on my own FB page but I was afraid Becky or a friend of hers might see it but I would love to hear opinions on WHY people seem so entitled to their opinion when it comes to famous scrappers. Personally, I hope those type of people do NOT follow me or purchase anything from me because I don't need another critic. Know what I mean? (PS: I did not post this in my own group because some of those same people from that board are in it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 11:39:04 GMT
^^^^ sounds like tracie is too chicken shit to post that here. I'm glad herb opinion means nothing to me.
I have strong feelings about McDonald's too. Does that make me entitled?
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Post by sarahbee on Aug 31, 2016 12:27:05 GMT
Someone is dissing on folks here in the Victoria Marie FB Group... Tracie Claiborne 6 hrs I was just reading on a message board about Becky Higgins' new release of wrapping paper and the comments about Becky just made me shake my head. A handful of people are adamant that she is clueless, doesn't know her audience, ignores feedback from her customer base, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It makes me wonder why so many scrapbookers feel entitled to such strong opinions? Is it because they feel they have lined the pockets of someone like Becky and so it gives them the right to be super opinionated about how she should conduct herself and her business? I have seen this over and over again in the 15 years I have been scrapbooking. People become convinced they have all the answers and feel they are entitled to criticize and pick apart someone successful, simply because they've watched them become a success over the years. Someone even had the audacity to imply that Becky is only a success because she was at the right place at the right time once and sat next to Lisa Bearnson in a church. Well aren't all of us who are successful, successful because at some point in our life, we were at the right place at the right time? But you can't overlook the fact that Becky is a smart cookie who is ambitious and creative. I wanted to post this on my own FB page but I was afraid Becky or a friend of hers might see it but I would love to hear opinions on WHY people seem so entitled to their opinion when it comes to famous scrappers. Personally, I hope those type of people do NOT follow me or purchase anything from me because I don't need another critic. Know what I mean? (PS: I did not post this in my own group because some of those same people from that board are in it! I have followed this entire thread from the beginning and never felt the need to comment but...wow. Scrapbookers are entitled to strong opinions as much as any other group...coupled with the fact that so many of the famous scrappers put it allll out there on Instagram for the world to see, of course there is going to be criticism! It happens to any celebrity who posts on social media, and the fact that someone is a big deal in this particular industry doesn't shield them from feedback, unpleasant though it may be. Part of selling a product in this day and age is dealing with people online who might have ideas you don't agree with. That doesn't make them entitled or obnoxious. I personally don't have strong feelings on this launch either way. Am I going to buy any of the wrapping paper? No. But I certainly don't take offense or think ill of the Peas here who have presented legitimate criticisms of the line and the launch. That's what this forum should be, a place for honest and non-sugar-coated discussion of the products we (potentially) spend money on. As for the last sentence that I bolded, well Tracie...your wish has been granted, at least from this scrapbooker. Save
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Post by lisacharlotte on Aug 31, 2016 12:51:10 GMT
And this is exactly what I was referring to in my previous post about criticism in certain groups. I choose not to participate in groups that stifle any criticism and it should go both way for those who don't want to see it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 13:15:33 GMT
Someone is dissing on folks here in the Victoria Marie FB Group... Tracie Claiborne 6 hrs ...but I would love to hear opinions on WHY people seem so entitled to their opinion when it comes to famous scrappers.... Oh Noes!!! People feel entitled to their own opinions!??!?!? Oh my heavens. What is the world coming to?
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Post by craftykitten on Aug 31, 2016 13:25:27 GMT
Someone is dissing on folks here in the Victoria Marie FB Group... Tracie Claiborne 6 hrs ...but I would love to hear opinions on WHY people seem so entitled to their opinion when it comes to famous scrappers.... Oh Noes!!! People feel entitled to their own opinions!??!?!? Oh my heavens. What is the world coming to? People want opinions, but only the right sort, obviously.
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all5ofme
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Post by all5ofme on Aug 31, 2016 13:58:37 GMT
And this is exactly what I was referring to in my previous post about criticism in certain groups. I choose not to participate in groups that stifle any criticism and it should go both way for those who don't want to see it. It's select critism in that group. She will criticize Michael's Recollection line, WRMK typewriter, Epson PictureMate printers, remove comments where someone posts an unfavorable opinion about designers of scrapbook lines. Yes, it is her group and she can moderate as she chooses, but it's obvious to me the whole intent behind that scence.... 'defend'/'suck up' to designers so she can try to convince them to be on one of her podcasts. It all boils down to is that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones....
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Post by QueSeraSera on Aug 31, 2016 14:35:46 GMT
"Entitled" to have opinions. Wow that's bold, offensive, dismissive, and naive all at the same time. Everyone has opinions on everything not just scrapbooking. Such histrionics from the pearl clutches or hand smackers. I love Tracie's podcasts, but this dismissive and nasty attitude REALLY makes me look at her differently. Because YES I am entitled to my opinion. I will not apologize for not fan girling all over everyone scrappy related because I'm trying to have a career in this industry. BTW to everyone cheering Tracie on - that type of attitude is exactly why the scrap smack blogs started. People wanted a place to have an opinion without getting mocked by the pearl clutchers. It devolved into abhorrent petty ugliness, but posts like this are what started it. But as a self-disclosed reader and poster to the smack blog, Tracie should know all of this. Ridic.
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dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on Aug 31, 2016 14:41:15 GMT
I had a whole long post typed out, but deleted it because it will make no difference. Anyone who posts about letting go of negativity and not talking about other people really should take their own advice if they're rehashing a thread that was started 2 weeks ago that they replied to back then. Also, if you don't want anybody to find out something you said, don't post it on the internet maybe? The same applies to taking nude photos. Don't take them and then nobody can find them!
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Post by dawnnikol on Aug 31, 2016 14:43:08 GMT
"Entitled" to have opinions. Wow that's bold, offensive, dismissive, and naive all at the same time. Everyone has opinions on everything not just scrapbooking. Such histrionics from the pearl clutches or hand smackers. I love Tracie's podcasts, but this dismissive and nasty attitude REALLY makes me look at her differently. Because YES I am entitled to my opinion. I will not apologize for not fan girling all over everyone scrappy related because I'm trying to have a career in this industry. BTW to everyone cheering Tracie on - that type of attitude is exactly why the scrap smack blogs started. People wanted a place to have an opinion without getting mocked by the pearl clutchers. It devolved into abhorrent petty ugliness, but posts like this are what started it. But as a self-disclosed reader and poster to the smack blog, Tracie should know all of this. Ridic. Oh those Smack Blogs! It's like a rabbit hole of crazy.
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JustTricia
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Post by JustTricia on Aug 31, 2016 15:03:49 GMT
It's interesting she asked for opinions on the fact that she felt no one should have opinions about this topic. So, you can only have opinions when she deems it okay?
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Post by peachiceteas on Aug 31, 2016 16:05:21 GMT
Bahahah. It's the same old type of person - complaining about people complaining and none of us are entitled to an opinion but they're entitled to have an opinion on our opinion.
Rolling my eyes.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Aug 31, 2016 16:29:50 GMT
She bites anyone head off that doesn't have positive things to say. I think Amy Tan's YT channel is disjointed and difficult to follow with her frequent cuts. I also think many people on YT throw together haphazard videos because they have huge followings and want to capitalize on it without the work (much like the second Ocean's movie sucked...they threw together a movie to profit off of the massive fan base of the first movie). She had quite the opinion on that, too. 'why oh why would ANYONE do that? everyone is genuine on youtube' Uhm...no...plenty of people do it for the monetary benefit (be it directly from youtube with ads or by affiliate links to the products they are using...I have no problems with them choosing to do that, but if I feel it's not my thing then I simply stop watching those videos). I stopped listening to her podcast after she kept getting snippy with my non kiss ass replies to her on air questions in the podcast's group. She feels the need to defend EVERYONE who makes a living in the industry and I think it's because she's trying to do the same exact thing and feels like they are her people, even if they don't know who she is.
That's her right...she is welcome to do it, but there is a need to at least understand that life, especially as a business, isn't all sunshine and rainbows. Not everyone is going to love what you do and not everyone is going to express their dislike in a manner you find appeasing.
I find it funny that they are going the jealousy route over there, too. Because no one can disagree without being jealous or being miserable or being insecure, etc. How about: people have opinions...it's part of having a brain. You're not going to like everyone you meet, does that make you jealous or insecure? Nope. It means you know yourself, what you like, the types of people you get along with, etc. There is nothing wrong with embracing that. We've ALL given credit to Becky where credit is due in her successes, but for the most part, we simply just don't LOVE either the product, her marketing tactic, or the vibe that she puts out. End of story.
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Post by craftgirl on Aug 31, 2016 16:36:38 GMT
*grabs popcorn*
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Aug 31, 2016 16:45:41 GMT
"Entitled" to have opinions. Wow that's bold, offensive, dismissive, and naive all at the same time. Everyone has opinions on everything not just scrapbooking. Such histrionics from the pearl clutches or hand smackers. I love Tracie's podcasts, but this dismissive and nasty attitude REALLY makes me look at her differently. Because YES I am entitled to my opinion. I will not apologize for not fan girling all over everyone scrappy related because I'm trying to have a career in this industry. BTW to everyone cheering Tracie on - that type of attitude is exactly why the scrap smack blogs started. People wanted a place to have an opinion without getting mocked by the pearl clutchers. It devolved into abhorrent petty ugliness, but posts like this are what started it. But as a self-disclosed reader and poster to the smack blog, Tracie should know all of this. Ridic. The funny thing is, she piggy backs on other people's success. At least, that's the feeling that I get from her (i.e. Jen Schow & Victoria Marie). So of course she's going to have nothing but good things to say about successful people in the industry. She'd be stupid not to. Who wants to burn (even potential) bridges, especially as the new kid on the block? It makes complete sense from just about every angle. What doesn't is trying to force others into feeling the same way you do or attempting to shame them when they don't. I mean, shit, look at the film industry. Look at the crap reviews that Suicide Squad received. So are we supposed to say that the critics must be jealous and have terrible home lives because they aren't every movie's biggest cheerleader? Hell, no. If negative opinions weren't 'allowed' or 'wanted' then why would I receive emails after making purchases asking me for my opinion versus demanding a 5 star review? Opinions help steer others toward making a decision on whether or not to try something...but ultimately, every single one of us is free to make up our own mind about something. Yes *gasp* even about scrapbook supply businesses.
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Post by craftykitten on Aug 31, 2016 16:55:11 GMT
Also, I think it is hilarious that apparently ONLY scrapbookers have opinions about things. As though in every other industry, the 'celebrities' are revered and given the adulation they deserve. My OH has had a hobby for the best part of 30 years and the participants there are every bit as vocal, as critical, and as defensive of their heroes as us scrapbookers. Because if you are invested enough to spend your time and money on something it's because you CARE about it. We all CARE about scrapbooking and we have opinions about the companies and personalities involved. And the scrapbook industry has capitalised on that by selling us 'lifestyles' so we become even more invested.
Are we all supposed just to sit here and soak up whatever is sold to us without question? You do you, but I'm going to be cheerfully cynical if I want to. And I'm grateful for places like this where we can be honest and questioning and negative and REAL without trying to suck up to industry bigwigs.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Aug 31, 2016 17:18:44 GMT
Also, I think it is hilarious that apparently ONLY scrapbookers have opinions about things. As though in every other industry, the 'celebrities' are revered and given the adulation they deserve. My OH has had a hobby for the best part of 30 years and the participants there are every bit as vocal, as critical, and as defensive of their heroes as us scrapbookers. Because if you are invested enough to spend your time and money on something it's because you CARE about it. We all CARE about scrapbooking and we have opinions about the companies and personalities involved. And the scrapbook industry has capitalised on that by selling us 'lifestyles' so we become even more invested. Are we all supposed just to sit here and soak up whatever is sold to us without question? You do you, but I'm going to be cheerfully cynical if I want to. And I'm grateful for places like this where we can be honest and questioning and negative and REAL without trying to suck up to industry bigwigs. If negative opinions sunk a brand, the Kardashians would be under a rock somewhere. Clearly that doesn't work...damn. And the idea that we're like the smack blog hiding behind user names able to be anonymous pisses me off. Why? Because I've read the nasty things said about Tracie's *REDACTED* and THOSE comments were mean, nasty and absolutely uncalled for. It's one thing to disagree with a company's business decisions or to think they're marketing sucks. It's something else altogether to bully, put down, and attack someone in that manner. I'm thoroughly offended, as a life long victim of bullying (it may have stopped years ago, but the life skills I missed out on learning for being singled out and tortured will be something I carry with me for the rest of my life), that someone would DARE to say this place is like that. If it were, I wouldn't have spent nearly a year hovering and become a massive chatterbox after I took the plunge and created an account here. I firmly believe that the criticism here is justified and appropriate, either because it's constructively critical OR because each person having something negative to say has in some way been wronged by the business (particularly from SC). I would in no way continue to contribute to a board like this if I saw daily posts attacking the skin deep or intentionally spreading rumors about anyone. Tracie and her hand slapping self included!
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JustTricia
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Post by JustTricia on Aug 31, 2016 17:26:01 GMT
Yikes. I understand what you are saying, scrapaddict702, but maybe edit out the part where you repeat what was written on the smack blog about her. I understand disagreeing with someone's opinions, as we all have that right, but that info is extremely harsh.
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dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on Aug 31, 2016 17:39:13 GMT
I wish instead of "like" there was a fist bump action on really good posts.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Aug 31, 2016 17:59:32 GMT
She received my dissenting opinion and removed her post. I guess because her personal attacks were called out and disagreed with (by me), she felt like removing the post as opposed to having any type of discussion.
Here is what I said:
So hey...what things am I allowed to have my own opinion about? Am I not allowed to send back a plate of food cooked wrong in a restaurant? Or how about leaving a 1 star review of a piece of clothing that fell apart in the wash before I even had a chance to wear it? Certainly if I'm spending $300-$400 a month in an industry I am allowed to carry an opinion.
While I understand where you're coming from, complaining about people complaining and basically saying someone can't have a strong opinion about something they are hugely passionate about (and trying to say it's jealousy as a way to make yourself feel better about the fact that someone doesn't agree with you) as you attempt to tear them down while touting 'we should all be lifting each other up' is not the way to go about it.
I'm on that board and have commented on that post (guess what?? most people there use their 2peas or Studio Calico logins...not to hide, but because it's easier for their friends from those places to recognize them there) and I see absolutely nothing wrong with honest critiques about her brand and the feelings that people get from her. Her launch was anticlimactic and it rubbed many people the wrong way, especially after such a massive push. It's no different than expressing dismay over her constant quality control issues, over the constant quality control issues American Crafts in general seems to be having, over the dismay regarding the copyright infringement regarding that one paper from the Fancy Free line, etc. Opinions in the form of not spending is why so many scrapbook companies are going out of business. Now, would you rather have an honest opinion in the form of words so you might actually know why your business is failing (I'm not speaking of Project Life/Becky Higgins, but rather, ANY scrapbook company not doing well) so you can try and right the ship or would you rather the naysayers not say anything and you have to close your doors because you can't sell the product that you didn't know no one wanted?
Here is what she replied with:
I don't think "a strong opinion" describes the conversation there about this. I just wanted to talk about it because I see it over and over again and this board is filled with a lot of my friends and peers but I will delete this post and thread since its been discussed now for a bit and I was able to vent. I am just weary of the criticism that turns personal and it did in that conversation there.
Here is what my response would have been:
Everything here posted is personal and based on a redacted one sided opinion (yours), Tracie. Yet, I see the post on 2peasrefugees as non sugar coated and honest critiques. We aren't calling her unhappy, jealous, or insecure...now THOSE, those are personal attacks, ones that you are encouraging.
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Aug 31, 2016 18:09:17 GMT
Wow - you all have proved my point today that this place has become too harsh and hateful. I simply started a conversation there among a group of my friends because I read the comments about Becky here and how so many of you think she is doing it all wrong and it just makes me shake my head that people are so opinionated about someone who is just trying to be themselves and do something great in the world. I deleted the thread because it is Victoria's group and I didn't want to be negative there for too long. Say what you want about me, you will anyway. Go for it, be your most awful selves. It changes nothing in my life. I can have an opinion and start a conversation somewhere the same as you. It doesn't have to be here. The conversation wasn't about this place, it was just an observation.
scrapaddict702 - I actually agreed with part of what you said but wow, your hatefulness here is just uncalled for. Such a shame.
Where did the term "pearl clutcher" originate from? I look at things differently than those of you not involved in the industry. I empathize with people who are content creators and then are overly criticized. If that makes me a horrible person for daring to speak that I felt frustrated over that, then shoot me. A big part of what I do is observing this industry and then conversing about it.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Aug 31, 2016 18:15:46 GMT
I wasn't being hateful. I hate the things that were said about you.
FYI, I have reported your post for putting my name on here. I discuss things in other parts of this board that I would rather maintain my anonymity regarding. Your attempt at spite just shows how little you understand the fact that YOU are doing exactly what you are accusing others of doing.
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Aug 31, 2016 18:16:54 GMT
Also, I think it is hilarious that apparently ONLY scrapbookers have opinions about things. As though in every other industry, the 'celebrities' are revered and given the adulation they deserve. My OH has had a hobby for the best part of 30 years and the participants there are every bit as vocal, as critical, and as defensive of their heroes as us scrapbookers. Because if you are invested enough to spend your time and money on something it's because you CARE about it. We all CARE about scrapbooking and we have opinions about the companies and personalities involved. And the scrapbook industry has capitalised on that by selling us 'lifestyles' so we become even more invested. Are we all supposed just to sit here and soak up whatever is sold to us without question? You do you, but I'm going to be cheerfully cynical if I want to. And I'm grateful for places like this where we can be honest and questioning and negative and REAL without trying to suck up to industry bigwigs. If negative opinions sunk a brand, the Kardashians would be under a rock somewhere. Clearly that doesn't work...damn. And the idea that we're like the smack blog hiding behind user names able to be anonymous pisses me off. Why? Because I've read the nasty things said about Tracie's weight, her looks, her being a closet lesbian, her husband f**king every woman in town and her being the only one to be in the dark about it and THOSE comments were mean, nasty and absolutely uncalled for. It's one thing to disagree with a company's business decisions or to think they're marketing sucks. It's something else altogether to bully, put down, and attack someone in that manner. I'm thoroughly offended, as a life long victim of bullying (it may have stopped years ago, but the life skills I missed out on learning for being singled out and tortured will be something I carry with me for the rest of my life), that someone would DARE to say this place is like that. If it were, I wouldn't have spent nearly a year hovering and become a massive chatterbox after I took the plunge and created an account here. I firmly believe that the criticism here is justified and appropriate, either because it's constructively critical OR because each person having something negative to say has in some way been wronged by the business (particularly from SC). I would in no way continue to contribute to a board like this if I saw daily posts attacking the skin deep or intentionally spreading rumors about anyone. Tracie and her hand slapping self included! Quoting the vile rumors from the Scrap Smack blog crossed the line.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Aug 31, 2016 18:18:07 GMT
If negative opinions sunk a brand, the Kardashians would be under a rock somewhere. Clearly that doesn't work...damn. And the idea that we're like the smack blog hiding behind user names able to be anonymous pisses me off. Why? Because I've read the nasty things said about Tracie's *REDACTED* and THOSE comments were mean, nasty and absolutely uncalled for. It's one thing to disagree with a company's business decisions or to think they're marketing sucks. It's something else altogether to bully, put down, and attack someone in that manner. I'm thoroughly offended, as a life long victim of bullying (it may have stopped years ago, but the life skills I missed out on learning for being singled out and tortured will be something I carry with me for the rest of my life), that someone would DARE to say this place is like that. If it were, I wouldn't have spent nearly a year hovering and become a massive chatterbox after I took the plunge and created an account here. I firmly believe that the criticism here is justified and appropriate, either because it's constructively critical OR because each person having something negative to say has in some way been wronged by the business (particularly from SC). I would in no way continue to contribute to a board like this if I saw daily posts attacking the skin deep or intentionally spreading rumors about anyone. Tracie and her hand slapping self included! Quoting this crossed the line. As did egging on a mob mentality based on your one sided opinions.
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Aug 31, 2016 18:18:58 GMT
It wasn't a one sided opinion, it was a conversation with 50 people until you showed up and decided to make it into a big deal.
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Aug 31, 2016 18:20:23 GMT
Why are you saying things ANYWHERE that you have to hide behind a user name? That's the problem, right there. People who are nice don't have to hide behind anonymity. Please do report me. Have me banned from here. I need an excuse to never come here again which is sad because so many people I truly care about post here but the haters are here too. That's why I stick to FB 99% of the time. Because I can see who I'm dealing with.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Aug 31, 2016 18:22:14 GMT
It wasn't a one sided opinion, it was a conversation with 50 people until you showed up and decided to make it into a big deal. No, it was 50 people you stated what you chose to state to and egged them on to make disparaging comments and remarks about strangers regarding. That in itself is wrong. FYI, I do agree that the things posted about you are awful and uncalled for...while I cannot remove what is quoted, I'm more than happy to redact it from my post. Edited. I do apologize for reposting them. I'm sure they are hurtful to you and the anonymity to spout that kind of unkindness is awful and I wish it didn't exist. I feel as passionately on the opposite side as you do on yours...my attempt to add shock value for you to understand my perspective failed...my intent was never to cause further harm. I wanted you to see that calling people names (as I felt you were encouraging people to do on your post) and saying hateful things does nothing to get people to agree with you or put down their guard. In that post, insecure, jealous, etc were repeated in spite of the fact that it was doing exactly what you claimed we were doing here. Do I think Becky Higgins comes off as fake? Absolutely. It is not a personal attack...it is a vibe that I get from her marketing tactic. I don't feel anything genuine coming from her as a customer/potential customer. I'm sure in real life she's as nice as can be, but from periscope, youtube, etc...I don't get that feeling. Do I think her launch was lame? Yes indeedie, I do. I was actually looking forward to wall pieces, furniture accessories (pillows???) etc and was very dismayed by the letdown I felt over *wrapping paper*. Those are completely VALID opinions with VALID reasons behind them.
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Post by all5ofme on Aug 31, 2016 18:34:24 GMT
The post was originally put on someone else's group versus her own. If a conversation was to be started with a group of friends, why not put it in her own FB with people who choose to be her friends? It was specially stated that it wasn't because there were some of the same people here and on her group. In MY opinion, that was looking to stir something up.... and now maybe trying to back track a little?
There have been many a conversation that she started on her own group that stemmed from items that begain over here. For example, one recently had nothing to do with this hobby, but involved a question about a spouse being close friends with someone of the opposite sex.
I'm glad to have a neutral place like here where comments don't get removed at the whim of the group moderator/owner.
What's this smack blog about? Sounds like the scrapbooker's version of the National Enquirer!.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Aug 31, 2016 18:42:26 GMT
The post was originally put on someone else's group versus her own. If a conversation was to be started with a group of friends, why not put it in her own FB with people who choose to be her friends? It was specially stated that it wasn't because there were some of the same people here and on her group. In MY opinion, that was looking to stir something up.... and now maybe trying to back track a little? There have been many a conversation that she started on her own group that stemmed from items that begain over here. For example, one recently had nothing to do with this hobby, but involved a question about a spouse being close friends with someone of the opposite sex. I'm glad to have a neutral place like here where comments don't get removed at the whim of the group moderator/owner. What's this smack blog about? Sounds like the scrapbooker's version of the National Enquirer!. It's basically where people go to say all sorts of nasty things about people they don't like in the industry. Anyone who tries to make it professionally in the industry should steer clear. There have been a lot of things stated about everyone. Teresa Collins seems to get a good deal of it...at least from the ONLY post that I read. That's the impression I got as well. I got the feeling that because there were so many 'here, here' type comments, no dissent was going to be welcome or appreciated and that if you even tried to defend yourself, you'd be lynched. She is in and has many groups and her own page with fellow scrappers a-plenty. If she wasn't looking for validation or to collectively put down a group of people where those people could see it, I can't fathom another motivation. She wasn't welcoming opinions...she could have quoted here and explained where she thought we were crossing a line. I've learned we're a rather opinionated group, but we're also adults and typically open to debating our views. That's a big part of why I decided to join...I felt like my opinion would be respected and at times would have the opportunity for debate. The things I refuse to debate about (politics, abortion rights, etc) I avoid on the NSBR board. Simple.
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