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Post by jamieson on Aug 22, 2016 1:42:43 GMT
I am horrified by this behavior. I remember calling out a fellow pea whose husband is a big game hunter and being chided because she was so well liked. I think this is disgusting regardless of your status. link
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Post by cadoodlebug on Aug 22, 2016 1:44:25 GMT
You need to edit your title to Safari.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 1:47:23 GMT
That giraffe picture was all (and more) that I could handle. I don't even want to read about it. I'm going to try and stop talking now. 
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Post by kernriver on Aug 22, 2016 1:52:48 GMT
Its bad enough when an adult does it, but to raise a child to kill animals? Despicable!
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Post by jamieson on Aug 22, 2016 1:53:40 GMT
You need to edit your title to Safari. Thanks, Cadoodlebug, for the typo correction!
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Post by jamieson on Aug 22, 2016 1:57:27 GMT
That giraffe picture was all (and more) that I could handle. I don't even want to read about it. I'm going to try and stop talking now. Giraffe's have the most soulful eyes, and luxurious eyelashes, I'm horrified that anyone could be proud of killing them. I also don't think it's necessary for an animal to be pretty or have beautiful eyes to be exempt from slaughter. I'm not vegan of vegetarian, but the idea of humans finding pleasure in the sport of killing an animal nauseates me.
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Post by jamieson on Aug 22, 2016 2:00:52 GMT
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Post by annabella on Aug 22, 2016 2:56:38 GMT
I'm not vegan of vegetarian, but the idea of humans finding pleasure in the sport of killing an animal nauseates me. I've never understood the difference, it's ok to kill one animal but not the other? Cows and chickens live in horrible conditions and then are killed in long torturous ways. There's peas that take their kids hunting for deer, but I'm sure you see that different as well. You're all raising your children to eat meat. 
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Aug 22, 2016 3:07:42 GMT
What you don't see is that those animals are then divided up amongst the local villages for food and other things. No different then how we kill cows, chickens, fish, turkeys etc and eat them and use them for other items. Their country makes money on the hunts as well. this comes up over and over again and nobody has been able to explain to me the difference between raising and killing a cow vs killing a giraffe other than the giraffe is cuter than the cow.
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Post by SabrinaM on Aug 22, 2016 3:31:05 GMT
What you don't see is that those animals are then divided up amongst the local villages for food and other things. No different then how we kill cows, chickens, fish, turkeys etc and eat them and use them for other items. Their country makes money on the hunts as well. this comes up over and over again and nobody has been able to explain to me the difference between raising and killing a cow vs killing a giraffe other than the giraffe is cuter than the cow. DH's dad was a big game hunter. Villagers were so thankful for the donated meat.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 22, 2016 3:31:21 GMT
What you don't see is that those animals are then divided up amongst the local villages for food and other things. No different then how we kill cows, chickens, fish, turkeys etc and eat them and use them for other items. Their country makes money on the hunts as well. this comes up over and over again and nobody has been able to explain to me the difference between raising and killing a cow vs killing a giraffe other than the giraffe is cuter than the cow. The difference is taking pleasure in it. The difference is viewing it as "sport". The difference is seeing it as a hobby. Kids killing animals for pleasure is a warning sign of a serial killer. That's all I see when I look at these pictures. Or pictures of a kid killing deer. I think anyone who is a hunter is a sick, sad individual with a hole in their soul.
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Aug 22, 2016 3:46:09 GMT
myshelly so as long as a business slaughters animals for profit, its okay? If the girl was being paid to kill the animals would that make it easier for you to understand? The area that she hunts in has a need to get rid of animals, very much like deer hunting in the US. Deer are vast in numbers and very destructive which is why there is a regulated hunting season to thin the herds and keep them manageable. Same for the countries abroad. They also have issues with their local wildlife becoming destructive and creating problems. So they have made a business out of luring hunters to come to their country, hunt animals they wouldn't get in their home country. Now with regulations regarding food being shipped between countries, of course the hunter cannot take the food back to their home, so it is given to the local villages who are extremely grateful. Here in the united states we have lots of meat eaters who think nothing of going to the store to purchase meat they themselves have not killed. The animals are raised (most of the time in poor conditions) and then slaughtered by employees of a business. The food gets processed and sent to the stores. This girl and her family are hunters. They had an opportunity to go to another country and hunt animals, which feed the local communities who also have people who eat meat, but can't/won't/don't hunt themselves for various reasons. The hunters put money into the local economy. The country that sells the hunting licenses is a business just like the butcher/meat plants are businesses, they just allow people to come and hunt instead of caging animals and slaughtering them by the thousands. A child hunting is not a sign of a serial killer. They are learning valuable skills. They aren't randomly going out and killing. They aren't torturing animals, (which can't be said for the way we kill our food here in the United States). It just so happens their hobby helps a village. I am a vegetarian and I do not hunt myself, but I don't understand the argument between why one animal is okay to kill and use for food, but another one isn't. Hunted animals: Get to live their life in the wild as nature intended and are thinned out via regulated hunting measures. (here in the US....I do not know about other countries but every time this comes up the country states they needed these particular animals taken out of the herd) Chickens, Cows, Pigs etc: Raised in small areas, fed hormones and other unnecessary things, treated poorly, and slaughtered in mass numbers. There will always be an idiot in any group you look at. The dentist who shot the animal a while back is one...hes an ass. He isn't the model to be looking at. This girl on the other hand did nothing wrong. She went by all local laws, only shot what she was allowed to etc.
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 22, 2016 3:52:31 GMT
I am horrified by this behavior. I remember calling out a fellow pea whose husband is a big game hunter and being chided because she was so well liked. I think this is disgusting regardless of your status. linkWhat I remember is you comparing her to someone who hunted illegally. I thought that was disgusting. She did not participate in any of the threads, but you had to bring it up by mentioning her name and you had to do it again. I have mixed feelings about the linked story, but you are not being truthful about that fellow pea.
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 22, 2016 3:56:34 GMT
I think anyone who is a hunter is a sick, sad individual with a hole in their soul.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 22, 2016 3:58:53 GMT
myshelly so as long as a business slaughters animals for profit, its okay? If the girl was being paid to kill the animals would that make it easier for you to understand? The area that she hunts in has a need to get rid of animals, very much like deer hunting in the US. Deer are vast in numbers and very destructive which is why there is a regulated hunting season to thin the herds and keep them manageable. Same for the countries abroad. They also have issues with their local wildlife becoming destructive and creating problems. So they have made a business out of luring hunters to come to their country, hunt animals they wouldn't get in their home country. Now with regulations regarding food being shipped between countries, of course the hunter cannot take the food back to their home, so it is given to the local villages who are extremely grateful. Here in the united states we have lots of meat eaters who think nothing of going to the store to purchase meat they themselves have not killed. The animals are raised (most of the time in poor conditions) and then slaughtered by employees of a business. The food gets processed and sent to the stores. This girl and her family are hunters. They had an opportunity to go to another country and hunt animals, which feed the local communities who also have people who eat meat, but can't/won't/don't hunt themselves for various reasons. The hunters put money into the local economy. The country that sells the hunting licenses is a business just like the butcher/meat plants are businesses, they just allow people to come and hunt instead of caging animals and slaughtering them by the thousands. A child hunting is not a sign of a serial killer. They are learning valuable skills. They aren't randomly going out and killing. They aren't torturing animals, (which can't be said for the way we kill our food here in the United States). It just so happens their hobby helps a village. I am a vegetarian and I do not hunt myself, but I don't understand the argument between why one animal is okay to kill and use for food, but another one isn't. Hunted animals: Get to live their life in the wild as nature intended and are thinned out via regulated hunting measures. (here in the US....I do not know about other countries but every time this comes up the country states they needed these particular animals taken out of the herd) Chickens, Cows, Pigs etc: Raised in small areas, fed hormones and other unnecessary things, treated poorly, and slaughtered in mass numbers. There will always be an idiot in any group you look at. The dentist who shot the animal a while back is one...hes an ass. He isn't the model to be looking at. This girl on the other hand did nothing wrong. She went by all local laws, only shot what she was allowed to etc. I am not making the argument that it is ok to kill one animal and not another. I also do not believe that argument makes sense. I did not make that argument, so I am not sure why you spent a large portion of your post on it. I am making the argument that the difference is the purpose and feeling behind it. If you do it for fun or sport or hobby I think there is something wrong with you. If you are proud of it and take pictures next to your kills I think there is something wrong with you. When people book and take trips like this they are not philanthropists. They are doing it for their own pleasure not because they care that it supposedly helps a local economy. And just because she followed local laws doesn't mean people can't look at her and decide "wow, you're disgusting, we don't like you."
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Aug 22, 2016 4:01:23 GMT
When people book and take trips like this they are not philanthropists. They are doing it for their own pleasure not because they care that it supposedly helps a local economy. and you have asked each and every person who takes trips like this what their intentions are personally Im guessing?? I realize nothing I say will get you to even look at what I and others have pointed out so oh well. I do find it interesting that you can ignore the central argument when asked what is the difference between slaughtering animals and hunting animals. Its a valid question to ask in this discussion. But you don't want to learn anything, you just want to be right and to hate on people who do things you don't approve of. Carry on.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 22, 2016 4:02:41 GMT
When people book and take trips like this they are not philanthropists. They are doing it for their own pleasure not because they care that it supposedly helps a local economy. and you have asked each and every person who takes trips like this what their intentions are personally Im guessing?? I realize nothing I say will get you to even look at what I and others have pointed out so oh well. I do find it interesting that you can ignore the central argument when asked what is the difference between slaughtering animals and hunting animals. Its a valid question to ask in this discussion. But you don't want to learn anything, you just want to be right and to hate on people who do things you don't approve of. Carry on. I've said twice what I think the vital difference is: Whether it is done as fun/sport. Why are you ignoring it?
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Post by MsKnit on Aug 22, 2016 4:04:10 GMT
What you don't see is that those animals are then divided up amongst the local villages for food and other things. No different then how we kill cows, chickens, fish, turkeys etc and eat them and use them for other items. Their country makes money on the hunts as well. this comes up over and over again and nobody has been able to explain to me the difference between raising and killing a cow vs killing a giraffe other than the giraffe is cuter than the cow. Have you ever been up close to a cow? They have the most amazing eyes. And, the eyelashes...
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Post by myshelly on Aug 22, 2016 4:08:45 GMT
When people book and take trips like this they are not philanthropists. They are doing it for their own pleasure not because they care that it supposedly helps a local economy. and you have asked each and every person who takes trips like this what their intentions are personally Im guessing?? I realize nothing I say will get you to even look at what I and others have pointed out so oh well. I do find it interesting that you can ignore the central argument when asked what is the difference between slaughtering animals and hunting animals. Its a valid question to ask in this discussion. But you don't want to learn anything, you just want to be right and to hate on people who do things you don't approve of. Carry on. There is nothing in the world that would make me think it is ok to want to take a gun and end a life for fun. That is wrong. And I'm really not sure why you keep directing the slaughterhouse argument at me. I'm a vegetarian. I actually don't think slaughterhouses are ok either. But that's not what was being discussed in this thread so I didn't bring it up. Again, the difference, as with so many other actions in this world, is the intent behind it. These people went to do this for fun. This was their family vacation.
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Aug 22, 2016 4:13:14 GMT
I've said twice what I think the vital difference is: Whether it is done as fun/sport. Why are you ignoring it? Im not ignoring it. You are lumping everyone into one category and refuse to accept that maybe people don't do it for "JUST" sport. You have already stated you believe that. My point was to show you that both types of killing are a sport..both are committed against animals by humans for food. Broken down to the common denominator it is killing for food. So what makes one better than the other? Nothing does. They are just different methods to meet the same end. Have you ever been up close to a cow? They have the most amazing eyes. And, the eyelashes... I love cows. They have soft noses and their eyes are amazing. They have a very intelligent look in their eyes too.
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Aug 22, 2016 4:18:51 GMT
I actually don't think slaughterhouses are ok either. Im not a supporter of them obviously, but I do support hunting even though I don't eat meat. I think that everyone should have to hunt for their food instead of going down to the store for it. I think there might be a lot more vegetarians in the world that way
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 5:58:50 GMT
What you don't see is that those animals are then divided up amongst the local villages for food and other things. No different then how we kill cows, chickens, fish, turkeys etc and eat them and use them for other items. Their country makes money on the hunts as well. this comes up over and over again and nobody has been able to explain to me the difference between raising and killing a cow vs killing a giraffe other than the giraffe is cuter than the cow. Have you ever been up close to a cow? They have the most amazing eyes. And, the eyelashes... I can answer this one Yes, and they love to bat them pretty lashes as they are trying to kick the shit out of you. I worked on a dairy farm. And cows are cows.
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 22, 2016 8:19:23 GMT
myshelly so as long as a business slaughters animals for profit, its okay? If the girl was being paid to kill the animals would that make it easier for you to understand? The area that she hunts in has a need to get rid of animals, very much like deer hunting in the US. Deer are vast in numbers and very destructive which is why there is a regulated hunting season to thin the herds and keep them manageable. Same for the countries abroad. They also have issues with their local wildlife becoming destructive and creating problems. So they have made a business out of luring hunters to come to their country, hunt animals they wouldn't get in their home country. Now with regulations regarding food being shipped between countries, of course the hunter cannot take the food back to their home, so it is given to the local villages who are extremely grateful. Here in the united states we have lots of meat eaters who think nothing of going to the store to purchase meat they themselves have not killed. The animals are raised (most of the time in poor conditions) and then slaughtered by employees of a business. The food gets processed and sent to the stores. This girl and her family are hunters. They had an opportunity to go to another country and hunt animals, which feed the local communities who also have people who eat meat, but can't/won't/don't hunt themselves for various reasons. The hunters put money into the local economy. The country that sells the hunting licenses is a business just like the butcher/meat plants are businesses, they just allow people to come and hunt instead of caging animals and slaughtering them by the thousands. A child hunting is not a sign of a serial killer. They are learning valuable skills. They aren't randomly going out and killing. They aren't torturing animals, (which can't be said for the way we kill our food here in the United States). It just so happens their hobby helps a village. I am a vegetarian and I do not hunt myself, but I don't understand the argument between why one animal is okay to kill and use for food, but another one isn't. Hunted animals: Get to live their life in the wild as nature intended and are thinned out via regulated hunting measures. (here in the US....I do not know about other countries but every time this comes up the country states they needed these particular animals taken out of the herd) Chickens, Cows, Pigs etc: Raised in small areas, fed hormones and other unnecessary things, treated poorly, and slaughtered in mass numbers. There will always be an idiot in any group you look at. The dentist who shot the animal a while back is one...hes an ass. He isn't the model to be looking at. This girl on the other hand did nothing wrong. She went by all local laws, only shot what she was allowed to etc. I didn't know all that about safari hunts. If this was hunting to control local populations and the meat is donated to local villages, then it is the same to me as hunting deer to control those populations.
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 22, 2016 8:22:48 GMT
I think anyone who is a hunter is a sick, sad individual with a hole in their soul. Sometimes I think you live a very sheltered life.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 9:29:15 GMT
Absolutely despicable scrappinspidey2 I suggest you do a little more research regarding the genuine conservation work going on in South Africa as well as the rest of Africa. You might then begin to understand the constant battle that is going on to put a stop to this kind of " fun" that is done purely for someone's pleasure because they have a big enough bank account to pay scrupulous companies who organize these kind of hunts and who don't care a damn about these animals. There is something very seriously wrong with a 12 year old girl that says it was "her dream" to kill an animal like the giraffe,the population of which had decline by 40% over the last 15 years. This constant " they're doing it to give the villagers the food and they are grateful for it" is pure b***s** in the majority of cases.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 9:36:47 GMT
I didn't know all that about safari hunts. If this was hunting to control local populations and the meat is donated to local villages, then it is the same to me as hunting deer to control those populations. It isn't though Lefty. A lot of them are unscrupulous companies that run these purely for profit and they're a constant problem to the genuine official conservationist that have " population control" programmes going on.
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Post by peano on Aug 22, 2016 12:37:03 GMT
I typically don't agree with myshelly's animal posts (her being a dog hater and all  ) but I have to say I totally agree with her position on this. It says something powerful to me about a person's lack of character or soul when they pose gleefully smiling while yanking up the head of a dead animal they've just killed. You can rationalize it any way you want--for me, it demonstrates a powerful lack of reverence for God's creation.
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Post by annabella on Aug 22, 2016 13:32:26 GMT
I typically don't agree with myshelly's animal posts (her being a dog hater and all  ) but I have to say I totally agree with her position on this. It says something powerful to me about a person's lack of character or soul when they pose gleefully smiling while yanking up the head of a dead animal they've just killed. You can rationalize it any way you want--for me, it demonstrates a powerful lack of reverence for God's creation. As opposed to someone smiling while eating a hamburger?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 13:33:28 GMT
That's one fucked up 12 year old.
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Post by snowsilver on Aug 22, 2016 13:39:48 GMT
I typically don't agree with myshelly's animal posts (her being a dog hater and all  ) but I have to say I totally agree with her position on this. It says something powerful to me about a person's lack of character or soul when they pose gleefully smiling while yanking up the head of a dead animal they've just killed. You can rationalize it any way you want--for me, it demonstrates a powerful lack of reverence for God's creation. As opposed to someone smiling while eating a hamburger? Look, I'm a vegetarian and I'm opposed to any slaughter of animals. It's hard for me to see how anyone can pretend to care about the environment and still eat meat. That said, I don't see most people exalting over the joy of killing a cow so they can have a hamburger. Most people don't even think about it. They are so used to eating meat that they don't spend time thinking about how it came to be on their plates. It just is. To me there is a HUGE difference between a person ordering a hamburger and a young girl laughing joyously because she has just murdered one of the most loved (and every day rarer) animals on the planet. While I won't go so far as to say she must have "a hole in her soul" I do think there is something amiss in the heart of a person who can take pleasure in this sort of thing.
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