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Post by monklady123 on Oct 5, 2016 2:24:31 GMT
Someone on Facebook was just RANTING (in letters just like that) about how "this is ANOTHER UNFAIR DEBATE!!! The moderator is allowing Kaine to INTERRUPT Pence TOO MUCH!!!" hahahahahahahahahaha Funny how she didn't rant about it when Trump interrupted Hillary all those times during their debate.
ugh. I'm going to bed to follow twitter. It's better for my blood pressure. I have a few Longwood students who I follow so they'll keep me informed.
Oh, and Pence started off on the wrong foot right away by thanking "Norwood University". oy
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 2:26:10 GMT
Oh, here we go with the religious BS. I'm out.
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Post by Kath on Oct 5, 2016 2:32:40 GMT
Everything is tax returns with Kaine. Makes me laugh. I wish Pence would just stop talking and let Kaine talk the rest of the time. He's funny.
I'm 20 min behind live, still on Russia.
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Post by scrapsotime on Oct 5, 2016 2:32:43 GMT
My youngest son is here tonight. We have resorted to playing misheard debate comments. Last one was: There you go whipping out your Mexican thing again.
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Post by lisae on Oct 5, 2016 2:34:46 GMT
I thought their answers to her question about faith were clear and mostly respectful of one another. The difference between them on this issue was clear. I don't know if they are just running out of steam but the last 20 minutes has been the best of the debate.
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Post by KB on Oct 5, 2016 2:37:48 GMT
Someone on Facebook was just RANTING (in letters just like that) about how "this is ANOTHER UNFAIR DEBATE!!! The moderator is allowing Kaine to INTERRUPT Pence TOO MUCH!!!" hahahahahahahahahaha Funny how she didn't rant about it when Trump interrupted Hillary all those times during their debate. ugh. I'm going to bed to follow twitter. It's better for my blood pressure. I have a few Longwood students who I follow so they'll keep me informed.Oh, and Pence started off on the wrong foot right away by thanking "Norwood University". oy Good Luck Donald Trump Is Live Tweeting The VP Debate
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Post by annabella on Oct 5, 2016 2:38:45 GMT
Savannah Guthrie giving feedback? You can't have a neutral party doing that. I hated the moderator's makeup, the colors were too dramatic. Under eyes weren't her skin color, eye shadow shading super dramatic.
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Post by annabella on Oct 5, 2016 2:41:38 GMT
What is trump's campaign manager wearing? I sheer mesh shirt?
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Post by suzastampin on Oct 5, 2016 2:42:39 GMT
I had to turn it off as it was giving me a headache. I thought it was a poor choice on Kaine's part to start right in interrupting before they barely got started.
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Post by mama2three on Oct 5, 2016 2:44:08 GMT
I had it on the radio and had to turn it off after only 20 minutes. Even that was difficult to listen to. Awful how they talked over each other, interrupted, and ignored the moderator.
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Post by basketdiva on Oct 5, 2016 2:48:30 GMT
Savannah Guthrie giving feedback? You can't have a neutral party doing that. I hated the moderator's makeup, the colors were too dramatic. Under eyes weren't her skin color, eye shadow shading super dramatic. 🤔🤔
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 3:01:28 GMT
Disclaimer: I am not voting for either of these men, and until their being chosen as running mates, I had little to no knowledge of them.
I listened to (most) of the debate without looking at the screen. Kaine was definitely allowed much more latitude in interrupting and the moderator (I have no idea who she is, never saw her on screen, didn't look her up, only heard her referred to as "elaine") did try to stop Pence more when/if he talked over or too long. Pence sounded much smoother and calmer. Kaine threw out a couple lines that came off as very rehearsed and were meant to be zingy, but ended up sounding kind of silly. I think as debate performances go, Pence clearly won. This, however, says nothing about the issues and who wins with those, as debates these days rarely do IMO.
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Post by Kath on Oct 5, 2016 3:09:31 GMT
I thought his zingy lines were kind of funny, shows my sense of humor.  Dh and I did start a drinking game halfway through every time Kaine said "tax returns." Feeling rather happy now. <thumbs up>
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Post by leftturnonly on Oct 5, 2016 3:35:54 GMT
I thought his zingy lines were kind of funny, shows my sense of humor.  Dh and I did start a drinking game halfway through every time Kaine said "tax returns." Feeling rather happy now. <thumbs up> You must be hammered!
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Post by betty on Oct 5, 2016 3:43:39 GMT
The moderator totally lost control of Kaine early..and did she just skip Pence on a round of questions? Also did everyone's screen go black on Pence only at one point? Weird. As a former Virginian Kaine lived up to my expectations...smirky, interrupting, and just an oddball. He's always looked unkempt and desheveled and like he's coming off of a drinking binge most of the time to me over the years. Tonight he looked a little better with his hair trimmed compared to the last campaign appearance I saw but Pence's appearance looked sharper. (See, not just Hillary is judged on appearance? ) Way too intent on making every question about taxes, though. And what was up with the crazy eyes stares at the moderator??? I'm not very familiar with Pence so this was my first time really watching him closely. He seems calm and had a lot of facts. He could have been stronger vocally in countering Kaine and shouldn't have let the moderator cut him off all the time (30 seconds?) while she let Kaine have free rein. I liked his overall demeanor but not his answer on religion/abortion. But um, don't tell dh....I do find Pence to be a bit of a silver fox after watching!
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Post by ntsf on Oct 5, 2016 3:57:33 GMT
pence looked like a deer in headlights to me... and shaking his head every time kaine quoted trump back to him..or pence back to pence.. horrible.
I loved.. "don't you trust women?"
but then, I am not a fan of a conservative "christian" who wants to impose his world view on the rest of us... I think they both played well to their bases..and hillary will have fun quoting pence.."he never said that.. I never said that" with tape of them saying their insult or policy. and pence denied his record as important..another unqualified person??
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 5, 2016 4:02:07 GMT
What the hell is this? Man I just turned on the recording and we're barely 5 minutes in and just dumbfounded. I don't know Kaine from Adam, but he's totally unhinged.
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Post by Kath on Oct 5, 2016 4:09:06 GMT
I thought his zingy lines were kind of funny, shows my sense of humor.  Dh and I did start a drinking game halfway through every time Kaine said "tax returns." Feeling rather happy now. <thumbs up> You must be hammered! Haha, I kind of wish I was, considering the work week I've had already. Started the game too late, would have had to start at the beginning of the debate in the first half when he was really on a roll. Or use stronger alcohol. Red wine doesn't really cut it. 
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Post by moodyblue on Oct 5, 2016 4:38:24 GMT
I didn't like it when Kaine started interrupting almost right away. Bad move on his part. However, he did list a lot of things that Trump has said - and Pence really never defended against them. He deflected and tried to turn things around, but avoided answering on a lot of points.
Demeanor aside, I thought Kaine clearly laid out more policy and plans, enumerating them one by one. Pence didn't have as much clear policy to promote.
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Post by justkat on Oct 5, 2016 5:46:56 GMT
Demeanor aside, I thought Kaine clearly laid out more policy and plans, enumerating them one by one. Pence didn't have as much clear policy to promote. If forced into it I'd say Kaine won by a slight margin due largely to the above quote. However I think they both came across much more as tantruming (is that a word?) children than successful statesmen. I'd say the big loser of the night was the voting public.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 6:22:01 GMT
I'd say the big loser of the night was the voting public. WINNER!!! WINNER!!!!!! CHICKEN DINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 5, 2016 11:14:04 GMT
I do have to admit that Mike Pence is able to lie in a remarkably composed manner.
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Post by Belia on Oct 5, 2016 11:36:12 GMT
I've figured out that I simply can't separate the content of what they said from the way in which they conducted themselves. I was so distracted and put off by the interruptions, talking over, insults, derailing, and whiny tone (from Kaine, anyway) that I literally couldn't take in what they actually said. I would say Pence "won" based on demeanor, but my sense was... when I could actually CONCENTRATE... that Kaine might have "won" on substance and truthiness  i.e. calling out the Trump / Pence ticket on lies. But I don't know, because like I said, I had a very hard time absorbing the content of what they said. Maybe if I read a transcript... then again, eff it. It doesn't matter anyway, and I give up. I'll just see what John Oliver says on Sunday and Trevor Noah says tonight. 
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Post by annabella on Oct 5, 2016 11:48:38 GMT
pence looked like a deer in headlights to me... and shaking his head every time kaine quoted trump back to him..or pence back to pence.. horrible. ? I agree I think Pence can't defend Trump on lots of things especially the "Mexican" issue so he just shakes his head and pretends to be annoyed mute. And it's possible Hillary wanted Pence to do show the defense stance she can't as a woman.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 13:41:22 GMT
So far I like Tim Kaine. I think the approach was wrong for him last night though.
He didn't need to be so aggressive in making his points via interrupting Pence or the moderator. His points could have been made on his own speaking time and in a less incredulous way and I feel they would have landed more effectively.
Pence can't defend Trump and Pence won't admit to the assholian things Trump and he himself have said. That could have been hammered home without the overzealousness and interrupting on Kaine's part.
I don't think this debate moved the needle even the tiniest bit. While I'm a tad bummed about Kanie's performance, I come back to the place I've been sitting this entire election...dumbfounded at the willingness of the GOP ticket to blatantly lie repeatedly about things that are so easy to prove untrue. Watching Pence sit there and shake his head while Kaine stated facts was...well, it's no longer infuriating for me. It's par for the course in this election and I'm ready for it to be over.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 5, 2016 14:02:48 GMT
Both these candidates went in largely unknown to me. I saw Pence briefly during the Republican convention, but as I was out of the country for the Democratic convention, I was completely unfamiliar with Kaine. Full disclosure, I lasted about 40 minutes. I know Hillary picked Kaine to keep Virginia blue, but he was an utter train wreck last night. Let's face it, the bottom of the ticket rarely matters. So he should just STFU. Seriously, there is ample material to make your point in your allotted time. The absolute constant interruption distracted from anything meaningful he had to say and he ended up looking like a petty, smarmy asshat.
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Post by peano on Oct 5, 2016 14:12:26 GMT
It's interesting how my reaction to the debate differs from most. Because at the beginning, it was like Kaine and Pence were just sitting there and having a polite low-energy roundtable discussion, and Kaine said something like, "Wait a minute, isn't this a debate?!" the moderator said yes, and Kaine put on the gloves and began to challenge Pence. I do agree this was frustrating and not effective at times because it was distracting and difficult to hear their responses when they were talking over each other, but was really no different in my eyes than say, Hillary and Donald's first debate.
Although Pence is quite telegenic in a Roger Sterling from Mad Men kind of way, he seemed kind of robotic, and had a deer-in-the-headlights quality, especially when confronted with questions about Trump's more egregious words and acts. Obviously, I am opposed to his social policies.
I had never heard Kaine speak at any length and far from seeing Kaine as "unhinged", I saw a real, warm and avuncular guy who is a masterfully lucid public speaker. I was impressed.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 5, 2016 14:53:30 GMT
The gist today is pence won only because of his demeanor--but people I saw interviewed (a few local colleges groups were interviewed after; news was with the groups to get feedback) and all said pence didn't really say anything and in Trump like fashion, didn't answer the actual questions.
They also said that Kaine definitely interrupted more, talked over.
I really don't think anyone can really say their was a winner; the time spent watching was a total waste!!
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Post by annabella on Oct 5, 2016 15:04:23 GMT
I had never heard Kaine speak at any length and far from seeing Kaine as "unhinged", I saw a real, warm and avuncular guy who is a masterfully lucid public speaker. I was impressed. Yes he was unknown to me and came off as warm. He did interrupt a lot but, unlike Trump's tone, it wasn't as an angry aggressive man taking jabs. Talking about who won reminds me of fights in middle school. After the fight, someone would ask who won, and it was always a stupid question because no one was beaten to a pulp. Fights were quickly broken up and no one was very bloodied or injured. I think this debate really let us see Trump's issues which he his personality overshadows discussions on issues. I just watched a commercial with Ivanka Trump talking about her father giving women maternity leave and other things I had to laugh. It was such a broad idea, no specifics, just a big promise.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 5, 2016 15:37:37 GMT
Chait's column in NY magazine today: Tim Kaine: Have you ever heard of Donald Trump? Pence: [rolls eyes, shakes head] Photo: Mark Wilson/Getty Images Tim Kaine and Mike Pence had very clear strategies in the vice-presidential debate, and they followed them with robotic consistency. Kaine’s plan was to turn every question into a list of the horrendous things Donald Trump has said or done. Pence’s plan was to turn every question into an attack on Barack Obama. The problem with Pence’s strategy is that Obama is popular and is not on the ballot, while Trump is highly unpopular and is on the ballot. Pence provided an evening of escapist fantasy for conservative intellectuals who like to close their eyes and imagine their party has nominated a qualified, normal person for president. It is hard to see how he helped the cause of electing the actual nominee. At moments, the debate veered off into a generic dispute between a Republican and a Democrat. Kaine defended the jobs created under the Obama recovery, the killing of Osama bin Laden, and the withdrawal of combat troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. Pence insisted the economy is the worst since the Great Depression, declared his intense and undying love of coal, and promised the restoration of strength. Pence flayed Kaine for his ticket’s assertion that some police harbor “implicit bias” against African-Americans, a point of frontal dispute. (The data overwhelmingly support Kaine’s position.) Pence defended the classic conservative position that accusations of bias are inherently dirty pool and the police should be regarded as unreservedly heroic. But the pattern that quickly asserted itself in the debate revolved around Kaine’s attacks on Trump, which he was able to introduce into every subject that came up. Pence had a handful of responses to this approach. He would shake his head, or chuckle. Occasionally he would express indignation that Democrats were insulting their opponents. He would deny that Trump had said the thing Kaine quoted him as saying, and when invited, decline to elaborate on his denial. Then Kaine would say, “I can’t imagine how you could defend” whatever it was that Trump had said, usually prompting another Pence head shake or fake laugh. At one point, Kaine observed that Pence had not defended his running mate, and Pence offered to do so, and to go point-by-point through the accusations, but he never got around to it. Pence did call for “broad-shouldered American leadership,” which could count as implicit praise of Trump, whose shoulder width Pence has lavished with repeated and almost erotic praise. It is a deflating commendation, similar to the Simpsons episode in which Homer asks his father to compliment him, and his father replies, “I was always proud you’re not a short man.” It is, of course, notoriously difficult for anybody who is not Trump to defend Trump, since the only method of doing so is through Trump’s own unique behavior. When presented with evidence of his unfitness, Trump responds with a combination of unrelated personal insults of the moderator or his opponent, indignant denials, and word salad, or — if cornered — launches into a different, more newsworthy statement to distract the media. For Pence or anybody else to attempt this would mean getting sucked into the inescapable vortex of outrage into which Trump is the sole occupant. And so, instead, Pence acted as though Trump was a man he had barely heard of, but surely would never say the nasty things that were being attributed to him. 
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