Dani-Mani
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Post by Dani-Mani on Nov 17, 2016 3:36:47 GMT
As a nurse who worked night shift in a hospital for 15 years, I can vouch for the fact that things really DO get wild during a full moon, more often than not. Of course it's not all the time and of course I've never done research to prove it, but someone has. It's not mocking anything. OP, you think too much and too literally. Take the meme at face value. I work with kids and also 100% vouch for this. The super moon truly has had our kids out of control like nothing we've ever seen. Honest togoodness there are times that the children are so out of control that we will actually go and check the moon cycle and see a full moon is coming up very soon. No lie.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Nov 17, 2016 3:38:41 GMT
Metaphysics, homeopathy, and a long list of other things are, to some people, not just innocent belief systems that are attacked for no reason. They are a means of perpetrating fraud on people who sometimes refuse conventional treatments and then die of their illnesses. I would never mock someone on FB or anywhere else about it, but I do speak up at opportune times and I try to be kind and non-snarky about it. For me, things with no empirical evidence to support their efficacy are snake oil. It might be fun and comforting for some people, but it's fraudulent and hurts real people, sometimes even killing them. This includes children and other people who can't consent, and people who can't differentiate between proven medical treatments and junk science. Junk science and alternative medicines is people refusing to vaccinate their children because it might cause autism. It's people who build an empire of lies about healing to make money from desperate sick people. It's Steve Jobs dying earlier and in more pain from his cancer. It's so, so, so much money into the pockets of liars, cheats, and hucksters. I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings; it's the truth as I see it, and I believe the stakes are higher than feelings - otherwise, I wouldn't speak up about it, even on the internet. I'm saying it here to maybe explain a bit why some people are outspoken about it. “Do you know what they call alternative medicine that’s been proved to work? Medicine” - Tim Minchin I don't think in this instance it was from that. It was just more from like: "Where is the proof?" Not: "You're going to risk your life over just an idea that's not even supported by science?" I'm sure I carry the rep in not seeing diseases in a traditional way. I used to share this belief in the wrong way, as a substitute. Now I share it as something to consider additionally. As in: taking care of a sickness conventionally only, may not be as effective than adding some other therapies as well. Maybe the physical ( earth element ) problem got taken care of/managed, but maybe there's emotional, mental and expressional ( water, air, fire ) aspects to it too that need some balancing. (since no element can exist alone (even science shows that ) ) In this nutrition class I'm taking, I've been having to do reports on some diseases that are diet related. And now I'm learning about the minerals this week and how they interact with the body. It's been a nice change up from deeper meaning exploration.
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scrapaddie
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Jul 8, 2014 20:17:31 GMT
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Post by scrapaddie on Nov 17, 2016 4:11:21 GMT
As a nurse who worked night shift in a hospital for 15 years, I can vouch for the fact that things really DO get wild during a full moon, more often than not. Of course it's not all the time and of course I've never done research to prove it, but someone has. It's not mocking anything. OP, you think too much and too literally. Take the meme at face value. Yes, many studies have.... And they do not support the common belief that there are more crimes, births, etc during a full moon.
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scrapaddie
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Jul 8, 2014 20:17:31 GMT
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Post by scrapaddie on Nov 17, 2016 4:12:55 GMT
Metaphysics, homeopathy, and a long list of other things are, to some people, not just innocent belief systems that are attacked for no reason. They are a means of perpetrating fraud on people who sometimes refuse conventional treatments and then die of their illnesses. I would never mock someone on FB or anywhere else about it, but I do speak up at opportune times and I try to be kind and non-snarky about it. For me, things with no empirical evidence to support their efficacy are snake oil. It might be fun and comforting for some people, but it's fraudulent and hurts real people, sometimes even killing them. This includes children and other people who can't consent, and people who can't differentiate between proven medical treatments and junk science. Junk science and alternative medicines is people refusing to vaccinate their children because it might cause autism. It's people who build an empire of lies about healing to make money from desperate sick people. It's Steve Jobs dying earlier and in more pain from his cancer. It's so, so, so much money into the pockets of liars, cheats, and hucksters. I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings; it's the truth as I see it, and I believe the stakes are higher than feelings - otherwise, I wouldn't speak up about it, even on the internet. I'm saying it here to maybe explain a bit why some people are outspoken about it. “Do you know what they call alternative medicine that’s been proved to work? Medicine” - Tim Minchin Well said
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Post by Zee on Nov 17, 2016 4:42:55 GMT
As a nurse who worked night shift in a hospital for 15 years, I can vouch for the fact that things really DO get wild during a full moon, more often than not. Of course it's not all the time and of course I've never done research to prove it, but someone has. It's not mocking anything. OP, you think too much and too literally. Take the meme at face value. Yes, many studies have.... And they do not support the common belief that there are more crimes, births, etc during a full moon. Wrong Bigly, yugely wrong You're a four
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scrapaddie
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Post by scrapaddie on Nov 19, 2016 5:05:37 GMT
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Post by Zee on Nov 19, 2016 14:26:46 GMT
Trumpism, Baldwin-style, was only a joke...sorry I didn't use to make that clear Though I still don't care what studies to the opposite show. I lived it for fifteen years. I've seen...things.
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scrapaddie
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Post by scrapaddie on Nov 22, 2016 3:52:36 GMT
Trumpism, Baldwin-style, was only a joke...sorry I didn't use to make that clear Though I still don't care what studies to the opposite show. I lived it for fifteen years. I've seen...things. Now you have me curious about the...things!
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Post by chances on Nov 22, 2016 5:54:58 GMT
Metaphysics, homeopathy, and a long list of other things are, to some people, not just innocent belief systems that are attacked for no reason. They are a means of perpetrating fraud on people who sometimes refuse conventional treatments and then die of their illnesses. I would never mock someone on FB or anywhere else about it, but I do speak up at opportune times and I try to be kind and non-snarky about it. For me, things with no empirical evidence to support their efficacy are snake oil. It might be fun and comforting for some people, but it's fraudulent and hurts real people, sometimes even killing them. This includes children and other people who can't consent, and people who can't differentiate between proven medical treatments and junk science. Junk science and alternative medicines is people refusing to vaccinate their children because it might cause autism. It's people who build an empire of lies about healing to make money from desperate sick people. It's Steve Jobs dying earlier and in more pain from his cancer. It's so, so, so much money into the pockets of liars, cheats, and hucksters. I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings; it's the truth as I see it, and I believe the stakes are higher than feelings - otherwise, I wouldn't speak up about it, even on the internet. I'm saying it here to maybe explain a bit why some people are outspoken about it. “Do you know what they call alternative medicine that’s been proved to work? Medicine” - Tim Minchin I agree completely agree about the pain, suffering, and death caused by frauds. I just watched an old John Oliver episode about people hoping to be healed by sending in cash donations and it made me very sad. At the same time, *I* took your final quote as snarky. I work in data and empirics and have strong opinions too Just because something can't be measured doesn't mean it isn't real and just because we measure something doesn't mean we are correct in the conclusions. I find that people can be quite uncritical and condescending about things they consider to be capital S science. Some things that come to mind: doctors dismissing women's concerns about depression and weight gain from birth control, but lo and behold there is a link. Drugs gain and lose approval ostensibly because of medical studies but often just a result of political lobbying, meditation is "alternative" until Western science puts people in an fmri machine and now it's called mindfulness and is suddenly science. I believe in data. I also feel strongly that some people fail to consider the way that our own culture and biases inform what we measure, how we measure and how we interpret things.
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anniebygaslight
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Jun 28, 2014 14:08:19 GMT
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Post by anniebygaslight on Nov 22, 2016 5:56:48 GMT
Metaphysics, homeopathy, and a long list of other things are, to some people, not just innocent belief systems that are attacked for no reason. They are a means of perpetrating fraud on people who sometimes refuse conventional treatments and then die of their illnesses. I would never mock someone on FB or anywhere else about it, but I do speak up at opportune times and I try to be kind and non-snarky about it. For me, things with no empirical evidence to support their efficacy are snake oil. It might be fun and comforting for some people, but it's fraudulent and hurts real people, sometimes even killing them. This includes children and other people who can't consent, and people who can't differentiate between proven medical treatments and junk science. Junk science and alternative medicines is people refusing to vaccinate their children because it might cause autism. It's people who build an empire of lies about healing to make money from desperate sick people. It's Steve Jobs dying earlier and in more pain from his cancer. It's so, so, so much money into the pockets of liars, cheats, and hucksters. I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings; it's the truth as I see it, and I believe the stakes are higher than feelings - otherwise, I wouldn't speak up about it, even on the internet. I'm saying it here to maybe explain a bit why some people are outspoken about it. “Do you know what they call alternative medicine that’s been proved to work? Medicine” - Tim Minchin
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Nov 22, 2016 7:19:27 GMT
Metaphysics, homeopathy, and a long list of other things are, to some people, not just innocent belief systems that are attacked for no reason. They are a means of perpetrating fraud on people who sometimes refuse conventional treatments and then die of their illnesses. I would never mock someone on FB or anywhere else about it, but I do speak up at opportune times and I try to be kind and non-snarky about it. For me, things with no empirical evidence to support their efficacy are snake oil. It might be fun and comforting for some people, but it's fraudulent and hurts real people, sometimes even killing them. This includes children and other people who can't consent, and people who can't differentiate between proven medical treatments and junk science. Junk science and alternative medicines is people refusing to vaccinate their children because it might cause autism. It's people who build an empire of lies about healing to make money from desperate sick people. It's Steve Jobs dying earlier and in more pain from his cancer. It's so, so, so much money into the pockets of liars, cheats, and hucksters. I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings; it's the truth as I see it, and I believe the stakes are higher than feelings - otherwise, I wouldn't speak up about it, even on the internet. I'm saying it here to maybe explain a bit why some people are outspoken about it. “Do you know what they call alternative medicine that’s been proved to work? Medicine” - Tim Minchin I agree completely agree about the pain, suffering, and death caused by frauds. I just watched an old John Oliver episode about people hoping to be healed by sending in cash donations and it made me very sad. At the same time, *I* took your final quote as snarky. I work in data and empirics and have strong opinions too Just because something can't be measured doesn't mean it isn't real and just because we measure something doesn't mean we are correct in the conclusions. I find that people can be quite uncritical and condescending about things they consider to be capital S science. Some things that come to mind: doctors dismissing women's concerns about depression and weight gain from birth control, but lo and behold there is a link. Drugs gain and lose approval ostensibly because of medical studies but often just a result of political lobbying, meditation is "alternative" until Western science puts people in an fmri machine and now it's called mindfulness and is suddenly science. I believe in data. I also feel strongly that some people fail to consider the way that our own culture and biases inform what we measure, how we measure and how we interpret things. I see the frauds as those who take advantage of alternative medicine. While I do believe that certain methods of healing that are not scientifically proven to be a valid method ( like reiki ) do exist and are effective, there are those who abuse this. If their intent is for financial gain and control and not for healing then I don't see how they could do any effective healing. Then I see conventional medicine being abused too in some cases. And I feel those kind of cases ( a pill for every symptom ) are run on financial gain and control as well. Where's the balance? Why can't there be an integration of both? This way all 4 aspects can be taken care of when out of alignment. Something that resonates both on science and the experiences beyond it.
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Post by pjaye on Nov 22, 2016 7:43:02 GMT
If their intent is for financial gain and control and not for healing then I don't see how they could do any effective healing. That's ironic coming from you - you had a lot of posts on the other board trying to sell that MLM "cure all magic fruit juice" to try to scam people and make money for yourself. You PM'ed people privately and tried to sell it and you had to be stopped by the owners who deleted your posts at my request. What you were trying to do was immoral and dangerous. You've also continued to give bullshit "health" advice here despite the fact that you have no experience in anything.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Nov 22, 2016 8:14:59 GMT
If their intent is for financial gain and control and not for healing then I don't see how they could do any effective healing. That's ironic coming from you - you had a lot of posts on the other board trying to sell that MLM "cure all magic fruit juice" to try to scam people and make money for yourself. You PM'ed people privately and tried to sell it and you had to be stopped by the owners who deleted your posts at my request. What you were trying to do was immoral and dangerous. You've also continued to give bullshit "health" advice here despite the fact that you have no experience in anything. Oh my mom was so happy to see that you replied to my post. She loves Once Upon A Time too. Even when I was a distributor for that fruit juice 3 or so years ago, I still had the motive to heal. If I had any suspicion that it wasn't effective I wouldn't have sold it, even if a had a million people in line to buy a bottle at 500.00 a pop I still wouldn't. I realized that I'm not a sales person. And that experience helped me come to that realization. It was the first time I was ever introduced to something other than conventional medicine that had healing properties, and I went too overboard with my thrill for it. ( I've found many more since then that I believe in ) I don't recall bombarding anyone with it. I may have PMed a few. I'm only recalling one, who I still feel drawn to talk alternative healing with her ( there's just some people that bring that out of me ) in addition to conventional methods of course. And I remember linking the product once. When I found out it was against the rules I stopped. But I won't deny that I did it. I know I used to post about it. So I'm willing to take the rap for anything that was taken ill will from it. I'm sorry. I know I'm not the same as I used to be, so I can move on from that and hope you can too. I only give free healing energy out now, to those who are open to receive.
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