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Post by Sam on Aug 14, 2014 18:57:37 GMT
ETA: Juliet's post reminded me how mad it makes me when people (mostly Americans, it has to be said) refer to Scotland as part of England (and things which pertain to Britain as English). I'd rather you referred to the UK if you don't mind! [Off topic - how many bloody names do we need to describe where we live?! LOL] I get a little mad when people insist on being English and then they get all mad about other countries wanting their own identity.
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Post by delilahtwo on Aug 14, 2014 19:21:14 GMT
Is Holland not actually a place? I don't know why, but I thought "The Netherlands" referred to multiple countries in the same area, like Holland, Denmark, Finland, the way that we refer to the northeast "New England", which refers to Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut & Rhode Island. I was born in CT and grew up in NH, and when asked will sometimes just say I'm from New England. No, The Netherlands is a real, separate country The orange one...that's it. Denmark is right above Germany. Finland is the one on the right of the three countries above that. And here you can see our country divided into provinces. The green one is Noord (north) Holland, the pink is Zuid (south) Holland. Together they are 2/12th or 1/6th of the whole country. I live in Noord Brabant and no, that is *not* Holland Hi Juliet! I refer to the Netherlands as Holland all the time as do many of my relatives....I am first generation Canadian, both parents born in Holland. (lol). The province of Gelderland actually. I have quite a bit of family in Holland, not that close to them so have never had the discussion of what they would prefer the country to be called. I know that when we speak Dutch, we often refer to the language as "Hollans" -- I'm sure I'm spelling that wrong as I never learned to read or write Dutch. Sometimes we refer to the language as Nederlands, use Hollans and Nederlands pretty interchangeably. I will also tell people that I don't speak "echte Nederlands" as I speak a dialect that has since died out and with a Canadian accent as well so I sound like an uneducated hick. I had no idea that using the word Holland was offensive. Now I'm going to have to ask people. I love your geography lesson. Cuz um, no, the Netherlands is ONE country thank you very much just like the United States (plural as well) is one country. One thing that really bugged me during the world cup was a friend, also of Dutch descent, kept posting on facebook, "hup Nederlands, hup!" Drove me nuts. It's "hup Nederland, hup".....I think. please correct me if I'm wrong Juliet!
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Post by Sam on Aug 14, 2014 19:35:02 GMT
I feel rightly chastised, Sam. If you're from where I think you are, I'm surprised you don't get lumped with your southern neighbours as well Not chastising - more agreeing! Both of us are further South than either would like and OH is going MAD about it....no vote for him, poor boy
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Post by juliet on Aug 14, 2014 19:35:43 GMT
Hi Delilah, Oh it's just a pet peeve of mine, there are still tons of people (internationally as well as in my own country) who call it Holland. It's not offensive! They sing Hup Holland Hup when it's football season and everything. It's just that Holland is such a small part of our country. I don't live there. I don't wish to live there, hah But once you live in our country, you'll see that the people who actually live in one of the Holland-provinces will call the country Holland. The rest of us peasants will usually call it The Netherlands. Personally, and that's reeeeally personal (!), I might be a little judgy of Dutch people who call our country Holland! However, I don't know anyone who calls the language Hollands, we all call it Nederlands (Dutch) here. And I love it when people from other parts of the world try to speak it!
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Post by delilahtwo on Aug 14, 2014 19:45:26 GMT
Thanks Juliet!
I don't mind if you are judgy at all about Dutch people who call it Holland. Those of us who do so in Canada have been here for a very long time and are usually Canadian citizens, the just got on a boat in Rotterdam in the '50s and came here.
We generally all speak Dutch not that well, the language hasn't change here very much at all. Calling the language Hollands may be from the WW2 era and it never changed here. If you have elderly relatives, they may vaguely recall that....or it's just a Gelderland thing.....
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Post by juliet on Aug 14, 2014 19:54:51 GMT
It might be just an elderly-people-thing ;D
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Post by my3freaks on Aug 14, 2014 23:33:02 GMT
I love your geography lesson. Cuz um, no, the Netherlands is ONE country thank you very much just like the United States (plural as well) is one country. I appreciated Juliet's geography lesson too. Unfortunately in school, we don't learn a lot about geography in Europe, unless it is covered in history lessons. I hope that Juliet didn't find the lack of knowledge or the question rude.
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Post by compwalla on Aug 14, 2014 23:40:35 GMT
"The phone bank will be headed up by myself and Emily."
No, that is not and will never be correct.
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Post by 5peanutsnana on Aug 15, 2014 0:38:55 GMT
It bothers me when people say someone has had good success. Isn't all success good? You can have a lot of success, but good success, don't say that. The pronunciation of jewelry is jew-el-ry, not jew-le-ry. Drives me crazy especially when someone is pronouncing it that way when they are selling it on TV. Went missing is another phrase that annoys me. They are missing. They didn't go missing. Phrases such as, so to speak, per se and if you will, used after a sentence. If you will what? They add nothing to the statement for me.
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Post by juliet on Aug 15, 2014 3:45:04 GMT
I love your geography lesson. Cuz um, no, the Netherlands is ONE country thank you very much just like the United States (plural as well) is one country. I appreciated Juliet's geography lesson too. Unfortunately in school, we don't learn a lot about geography in Europe, unless it is covered in history lessons. I hope that Juliet didn't find the lack of knowledge or the question rude. Of course not!!!!!
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Post by oblibby on Aug 15, 2014 5:50:18 GMT
The pronunciation of jewelry is jew-el-ry, not jew-le-ry. Drives me crazy especially when someone is pronouncing it that way when they are selling it on TV... Perhaps they're not selling to a solely US audience because it's definitely not 'jewelry' in the UK. We spell it 'jewellery' and pronounce it with a definite 'ery' sound on the end.
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