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Post by 950nancy on Nov 26, 2016 17:14:13 GMT
I think when people aren't found with the people who abducted them there is always room for more questions. I have followed the story and am curious to see how it plays out. I won't be surprised either way. Thankfully she is heading home and will be reunited with her boys.
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Post by anniefb on Nov 26, 2016 18:27:05 GMT
Glad she's home. Glad she's ok but something isn't adding up IMO. That ^^ |
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Post by Peamac on Nov 26, 2016 18:35:34 GMT
I think we will find out that she calmly talked her way out of this, and the holidays worked in her favor. At another time of year, we would be finding a body. Interesting point about the holidays.I hadn't thought of that, but it certainly makes sense. Especially since she has little ones at home. That would help to tug on the heartstrings this time of year. |
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Post by utpea on Nov 26, 2016 18:49:55 GMT
Details are coming out about the condition she was in when she was discovered a few days ago. Sounds like she is lucky to be alive and that the story is just starting to unfold...
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 26, 2016 19:41:03 GMT
just an FYI my computer wouldn't open the link because of a malware warning SaveSaveSaveSave |
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Post by utpea on Nov 26, 2016 19:47:13 GMT
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Post by uksue on Nov 26, 2016 19:56:24 GMT
I would rather it be a complete hoax than she be found dead . Such a waste of resources - plus the emotional cost to her family- if it was a hoax though 😳
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 26, 2016 20:09:25 GMT
I'm glad she's home...well, close to home. Regarding all the speculation, I think Websleuths is rife with examples of two unfortunate trends: 1. Our increasing confidence in our own clairvoyance, and 2. Our increasing expectation that we have a right to know everything about other people's lives...and police investigations about other people's lives. Sometimes "hiding something" just means a desire for privacy or discretion. Also, somebody questioned why two well-intending women in a car would have handguns. One of the most surprising things I've learned on this board is that plenty of people routinely drive around with handguns. While I'm all for privacy, when it's been reported that there has been an abduction and that suspects are still at large, I think the public has a right to know. But I'm not at all suggesting we don't have a right to know a crime occurred and suspects are at large. I'm saying we don't have a right to know what condition the victim is in...or why she hasn't seen her children yet...or any numbers of details that people use now to build their internet case for doubt or suspicion. And if we DON'T learn details, for whatever reason, I don't think we should use the fact that information has been withheld as more reason to doubt. Also, as gsquaredmom points out, there often are valid investigative reasons why police don't release some information. I cited privacy more as a reason we don't need to know, say, why the victim has not seen her children yet. |
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Post by anonrefugee on Nov 26, 2016 20:40:13 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 26, 2016 20:49:54 GMT
While I'm all for privacy, when it's been reported that there has been an abduction and that suspects are still at large, I think the public has a right to know. But I'm not at all suggesting we don't have a right to know a crime occurred and suspects are at large. I'm saying we don't have a right to know what condition the victim is in...or why she hasn't seen her children yet...or any numbers of details that people use now to build their internet case for doubt or suspicion. And if we DON'T learn details, for whatever reason, I don't think we should use the fact that information has been withheld as more reason to doubt. Also, as gsquaredmom points out, there often are also valid investigative reasons why police don't release some information. I cited privacy more as a reason we don't need to know, say, why the victim has not seen her children yet. Oh I'm not disagreeing--😉 |
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Post by *leslie* on Nov 26, 2016 21:07:54 GMT
There is a lot of speculation that something does not add up. Kidnapped for 3 weeks and no ransom, yet dropped at the side of the road by 2 females, and unhurt? I have seen a lot of Balloon Boy speculations. It will be interesting to see how this story unfolds. All that being said, glad that she is ok and back, regardless of the reason for disappearance. I am amazed at how many of us automatically assume she is not telling the truth. The article I saw said she was still in restraints and managed to flag down a car. It also said she was in the hospital. Men who kidnap and/or kill women often have female accomplices. I will admit it is a bit unusual to have two women dropping her off but perhaps they were not involved, men they knew had her and they discovered her by accident? I don't know that we have the right to ask her for any details, if she has been sexually assaulted, which I can't imagine she wasn't, it is not necessary for law enforcement to share those details with the world. I will see if I can located the article I am speaking of. BBC SaveSaveI guess I don't understand. What's wrong with speculation. The hoax scenario is likely being investigated by LE themselves. I'm not sure why it's not okay to do it here. |
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Nov 27, 2016 4:26:53 GMT
What was quoted here, it looks like there was a delete? ? It was a screenshot of something the woman who was abducted wrote. It was posted by the OP. I have no idea where it went. |
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Post by luckyexwife on Nov 27, 2016 14:35:15 GMT
You don't even know if this is her? So what if it is? I obviously don't agree with her viewpoint but that doesn't make her any less of a victim. Wow, just wow. You're right. Hope they are able to find those armed Hispanic women in an SUV in California. Too bad she wasn't able to give them even one more detail to go on, composite sketch, clothing, age, anything. I wonder why there wasn't any urgency from LE to find these abductors at the carefully worded press conference? As I said, if anyone has followed the story for the past three weeks, the top secret reverse ransom offer, etc. skepticism is not completely unwarranted. Time will tell. I just hope she reunites with her children soon. They've got to be missing her so much. Has there been any updates on this case? Any new information on Webslueths? |
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Post by Layce on Nov 29, 2016 23:38:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 23:51:35 GMT
This is what People is reporting:  I think she's lucky to be alive. |
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Post by gsquaredmom on Nov 29, 2016 23:54:28 GMT
This is what People is reporting: I think she's lucky to be alive. This was reported on the national news tonight. The sheriff said the brand is some sort of message. |
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Post by hop2 on Nov 30, 2016 0:03:57 GMT
Holy geez poor woman. I sure hope the catch the criminals who did this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 0:38:53 GMT
How terrible -- I hate that they are calling her an "alleged victim". Right now she is a victim (having been one but not so heinous), I pray she isn't hearing/reading/seeing the doubt of her story. If it is untrue, that will come out later...it pretty much always does. For now, she and her family have my support and prayers.
(When did we get to be a world/society that always wants to disbelieve and "catch" a victim lying? That honestly makes me very sad. I dislike Kim and Kanye with an intense passion, but honestly my first thought was not that either lied in either situation.... I would be sad for myself if it had been)
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 30, 2016 0:55:27 GMT
Do I understand correctly that neither a ransom nor other demands were made? If so, it appears the abduction was personal. Hopefully this means the victim knows her attackers or the branding provides a clue to their identity. My thoughts & prayers are with her (& her husband & children) as she heals & processes this horrific event.
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Post by anonrefugee on Nov 30, 2016 0:59:21 GMT
@wishididnthaveto it's a strange world isn't it? Everyday people are questioned and doubted, but sports figures and celebrities commit heinous acts, sometimes on camera, and they have multiple defenders.
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Post by mallie on Nov 30, 2016 1:05:36 GMT
How terrible -- I hate that they are calling her an "alleged victim". Right now she is a victim (having been one but not so heinous), I pray she isn't hearing/reading/seeing the doubt of her story. If it is untrue, that will come out later...it pretty much always does. For now, she and her family have my support and prayers. (When did we get to be a world/society that always wants to disbelieve and "catch" a victim lying? That honestly makes me very sad. I dislike Kim and Kanye with an intense passion, but honestly my first thought was not that either lied in either situation.... I would be sad for myself if it had been) When was it in Western society that a female victim of assault (sexual and/or domestic) was believed without having her values, morals, and motives dragged through the mud? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 1:21:43 GMT
Do I understand correctly that neither a ransom nor other demands were made? If so, it appears the abduction was personal. Hopefully this means the victim knows her attackers or the branding provides a clue to their identity. My thoughts & prayers are with her (& her husband & children) as she heals & processes this horrific event. My first thought was sex trafficking. |
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Post by Really Red on Nov 30, 2016 1:30:18 GMT
It's breaking my heart, but I am so happy she's alive. She must be in such terrible shape. I'm sure LE are keeping things close for good reasons. How horrible it must be not to be believed.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Nov 30, 2016 1:31:22 GMT
I guess I'm missing why people think this is a hoax? Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction and although it's hard to believe these things happen, they can and they do.
The authorities seem to believe her and I imagine if there is something off about the situation, they will get to the bottom of it. I think it would be incredibly difficult to pull off a hoax like this (and I'm not even sure what the motivation would be?) and they will be found out if it wasn't true.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 30, 2016 1:33:32 GMT
I had read somewhere that this Shari, had a blog where she spoke out against Latino's, ran a white supremacist type of route. It makes me wonder if that had anything to do with this "branding".
For the official record--it is horrible what happened to her.
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 30, 2016 2:19:05 GMT
Do I understand correctly that neither a ransom nor other demands were made? If so, it appears the abduction was personal. Hopefully this means the victim knows her attackers or the branding provides a clue to their identity. My thoughts & prayers are with her (& her husband & children) as she heals & processes this horrific event. My first thought was sex trafficking. Sadly, this is another possible motive. The branding must be a message to someone other than, but related/close to, the victim; otherwise, I doubt the abductors would risk getting caught, or have any reason, to return her alive. I hope the criminals are identified & brought to justice. ETA: papercrafteradvocate: Yikes! |
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Post by Sarah*H on Nov 30, 2016 2:38:23 GMT
When I googled, I found this in the Daily Mail today:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 2:42:36 GMT
When was it in Western society that a female victim of assault (sexual and/or domestic) was believed without having her values, morals, and motives dragged through the mud? Honestly no one disbelieved me..... not the police, not the nurses, not my friends or family or anyone I have ever told... didn't know I was so blessed .... been there personally -- have you? |
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 30, 2016 4:11:11 GMT
I guess I'm missing why people think this is a hoax? Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction and although it's hard to believe these things happen, they can and they do. The authorities seem to believe her and I imagine if there is something off about the situation, they will get to the bottom of it. I think it would be incredibly difficult to pull off a hoax like this (and I'm not even sure what the motivation would be?) and they will be found out if it wasn't true. Just to answer why some people have felt this was a hoax, there have definitely been a few odd aspects to this case. An anonymous third party set up a ransom with the handoff to be negotiated with a local (Redding) professional kidnap and ransom consultant. At this point LE wasn't calling it a kidnapping and the family didn't appear to have been contacted for a ransom. I can't imagine LE was happy about a third party stepping into the situation. When their deadline for the kidnappers to contact them passed, the ransom was turned into a reward for information. Reward for Papini
Given there was another CA kidnapping dismissed as a hoax that just seemed too bizarre to be true earlier this year and turned out to be very real and the condition in which Sherri Papini was found, I don't think this is a hoax. Denise Huskins kidnapping |
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Post by mom on Nov 30, 2016 4:16:32 GMT
I will admit that I first thought this was a hoax. I do not believe that any more. I do believe this happened at the hands of someone who knew her. This was absolutely personal.
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I think she's lucky to be alive.
