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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 17, 2017 23:17:03 GMT
So, Manning gave info to Wikileaks and that hurt Clinton. Now Obama's reduced her sentence?
IMO, she's a traitor. Just makes me go "hmmmm".
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 17, 2017 23:37:47 GMT
No comments, huh? This is a person who pled guilty to leaking information that placed our people in harm's way and resulted in the death of soldiers.. She was sentenced and because she "acknowledged" wrong doing, Obama commutes her sentence? Come on Dems, surely this rankles, especially in view of the outrage you feel about Trump and Russia? No comment about the person who gave that info to Wikileaks to give?
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Post by mom on Jan 17, 2017 23:43:59 GMT
Reeks of him being a hypocrite considering how he feels about the DNC hacking.
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Post by moodyblue on Jan 17, 2017 23:46:04 GMT
I confess to not knowing enough about the case to make any statements now, since they'd be based on vague memories or someone's short synopsis, neither of which may be accurate. I'd have to do some reading to get up to speed on it first.
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Post by cindosha on Jan 18, 2017 0:11:32 GMT
Great precedent Obama is setting.
Asshat.
Cindy
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Post by compwalla on Jan 18, 2017 0:14:34 GMT
Yay!!! I'm over the moon for her.
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Post by compwalla on Jan 18, 2017 0:30:17 GMT
Yay!!! I'm over the moon for her. Can you expound on that? If you have the time. 1) She pled guilty to charges that could have given her 20 years but the Army insisting on pressing more serious charges. She also apologized for her actions. 2) She is a transwoman in a mens prison; she doesn't belong there 3) Because of her gender identity, she has been in solitary 23 hours a day for most of her sentence which is unnecessarily punitive and cruel 4) Even though her act was illegal, she brought to public attention things which I believe we should know about 5) The president has the discretion to dispense mercy which I think in this case is warranted. And that's it.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 18, 2017 0:38:26 GMT
Can you expound on that? If you have the time. 1) She pled guilty to charges that could have given her 20 years but the Army insisting on pressing more serious charges. She also apologized for her actions. 2) She is a transwoman in a mens prison; she doesn't belong there 3) Because of her gender identity, she has been in solitary 23 hours a day for most of her sentence which is unnecessarily punitive and cruel 4) Even though her act was illegal, she brought to public attention things which I believe we should know about 5) The president has the discretion to dispense mercy which I think in this case is warranted. And that's it. Not quite-- The people who she shed light on for their wrong doings have yet to be brought up on charges or and responsibility whatsoever. Wikileaks's also stated if Manning's sentence was commuted, they would grant extradition request to the US for Assange. Note: I'm not a fan of all this stealing of information and Wikileaks's at all, she stole documents and gave them to people who should not have had them. But it's ironic that the leaking is okay if it benefits your ideals.
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Post by pyccku on Jan 18, 2017 0:38:32 GMT
And assange agreed to extradition if clemency was granted. I wonder if he'll follow through.
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Post by suzastampin on Jan 18, 2017 0:52:28 GMT
I'd like to know Obama's thoughts on why he pardoned her.
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Post by DEX on Jan 18, 2017 1:02:06 GMT
I watched CBS news tonight and it was reported that her sharing of information did not result result in any harm and the prosecution said most of the information could be found on the internet. Here is the news story: CBS News
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 18, 2017 1:06:45 GMT
So, she was "sorry" and she's transgendered. Yep, perfect reasons to grant mercy to her. F*ck the soldiers whose lives were risked and who died, she deserves mercy because she's sorry and she's transgendered.
Yet,boy the screams about the Russians by those who support mercy for her...
Sometimes liberals are just sickening in their thought processes.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 18, 2017 1:06:55 GMT
I agree with everything compwalla said. I think that in light of that and the fact that I do not believe anyone was put in harm's way due to her actions, I have no objection to Obama's decision.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 18, 2017 1:07:44 GMT
So, she was "sorry" and she's transgendered. Yep, perfect reasons to grant mercy to her. F*ck the soldiers whose lives were risked and who died, she deserves mercy because she's sorry and she's transgendered. Sometimes liberals are just sickening in their thought processes. It's my understanding that her information did not put anyone in harm's way. Do you have any information saying that it did?
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 18, 2017 1:09:06 GMT
I'll go looking. But would that really change your opinion? Really?
I can't help but think that this person gets a "bye" because of their sexual orientation.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 18, 2017 1:13:13 GMT
I'll go looking. But would that really change your opinion? Really? I can't help but think that this person gets a "bye" because of their sexual orientation. You'd be wrong.
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Post by refugeepea on Jan 18, 2017 1:14:35 GMT
So, she was "sorry" and she's transgendered Transgender
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Post by myshelly on Jan 18, 2017 1:14:38 GMT
I'll go looking. But would that really change your opinion? Really? I can't help but think that this person gets a "bye" because of their sexual orientation. Honestly, yes. It would affect my opinion. I would need more information to decide whether it would change my opinion. But my understanding of the case has always been that the information was technically classified, but not sensitive, was related to civilian casualties, and was already available on the Internet. That has caused me to view this as more of a whistleblower case (wanting to get info out about civilian casualties) than a military secrets case (intent or desire to harm the military or government).
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Jan 18, 2017 1:16:37 GMT
So, she was "sorry" and she's transgendered. Yep, perfect reasons to grant mercy to her. F*ck the soldiers whose lives were risked and who died, she deserves mercy because she's sorry and she's transgendered. Yet,boy the screams about the Russians by those who support mercy for her... Sometimes liberals are just sickening in their thought processes. Nobody died.
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Post by DEX on Jan 18, 2017 1:17:13 GMT
I, too, would be curious as to your sources, Lauren. I provided mine.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 18, 2017 1:18:13 GMT
Shelly, a quick review shows that during the trial there was one person found to be killed from the leaked info but that was then removed from the record. So, there may be no actual deaths from the info.
Part of the problem I face in giving info about the risks is that any source I cite appears to be partisan. So, if I site the Federalist, people will scream bias and if I cite a more liberal source, people will scream bias.
Frankly, I'm not sure who we can believe anymore. I know that liberals will say "the NYT" but IMO, they are as biased as Fox or any other source out there. There simply is no agency that can be trusted to give accurate unbiased news anymore.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 18, 2017 1:19:31 GMT
So, she was "sorry" and she's transgendered Transgender OK, transgender. I think you understood what I was saying...because this person was a man who wanted to be a woman, he is now part of the "cause". Had this person been a white male who was macho, none of you would be celebrating the commutation of his sentence.
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Post by peasquared on Jan 18, 2017 1:31:30 GMT
I feel like there is a bigger play in motion here. Just my crazy thoughts but if they bring Assange back to the US, could they have a deal in place for more info on the Russian hacking?
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Post by mom on Jan 18, 2017 1:31:49 GMT
I do not agree with her being pardoned....but I do feel like she should be put in a female jail if that is the sexual orientation she identifies with. 23 hours a day solitude does not seem ok to me.
Personally, I don't care what her leaked information brought to light - it was illegal and we should not reward illegal behavior. And being sorry means nothing to me.
Yes the President has the right to reduce her sentence. But in my eyes, he loses any credibility about being upset with what the Russians did.
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Post by christine58 on Jan 18, 2017 1:35:56 GMT
I was watching the FARCE of a confirmation hearing for Betsy DeVos...god help us all. Trump could have found someone so much better but wait...her mother's foundation contributed $5 million...UGH
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 1:38:06 GMT
It would be one thing if she had't spent anytime in prison for what she did. But she has and apparently most of it solitary confinement.
And I can't help but think of David Petraeus's "punishment" for a)keeping notebooks of sensitive information that he shouldn't of had have and b) giving these notebooks to his mistress/biographer.
He was charged with a misdemeanor with the punishment of a fine and I think probation. The army has recommended he not lose any part of his rank although last I heard Ash Carter hadn't signed off on that.
Since Petraeus's was only charged with a misdemeanor, 6 plus years, mostly in solitary confinement sounds about right for Manning.
Now if it was Snowden that would be an entirely different story.
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Post by Merge on Jan 18, 2017 1:46:42 GMT
I've had today to think about this, and here are the conclusions I've come to:
Whatever harm was going to be done from her release of that information to Wikileaks has been done. It's over. Chelsea Manning probably does not represent a further threat to the people of the United States and, for all intents and purposes, her life here is ruined or at least forever changed. Keeping her imprisoned doesn't necessarily benefit us or further punish her.
Perhaps Obama feels that 7 years in solitary confinement is approximately equivalent to the 35 years in regular prison she was supposed to serve.
Chelsea Manning has, under the duress of extended time in solitary confinement, attempted suicide at least twice. If at some point she is successful, that will be a PR nightmare for the United States. If we cannot seem to provide reasonable accommodation for transgender inmates, and Manning does not represent an ongoing threat, releasing her may be the smartest thing to do.
I'm not sure the OP realizes that Chelsea Manning did not provide the Clinton emails to Wikileaks. How did she "hurt Clinton?" As a liberal, I don't feel that she is a particular villain against my cause, so to speak.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 18, 2017 2:13:56 GMT
I was watching the FARCE of a confirmation hearing for Betsy DeVos...god help us all. Trump could have found someone so much better but wait...her mother's foundation contributed $5 million...UGH I think it's a reality of political life. Politicians owe favors in exchange for contributions. God knows Clinton did it. Pay for Play is a sickening reality. Don't like it but I can't see blaming one side when the other engages so heavily in it.
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Post by janeliz on Jan 18, 2017 2:17:08 GMT
She pled guilty and cooperated with the investigation, and the sentence was excessive. I believe she has been punished enough.
As an aside, I doubt there's any chance in hell Assange will stick to his pledge.
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