luckyexwife
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Post by luckyexwife on Jan 29, 2017 17:17:25 GMT
Someone posted in another thread that malls are dying. ..why is this? I'm in the midwest, and our local mall is just recently having problems filling open spots. The open spots are from stores that are closing across the country, not just our local branch closing. What is causing this change?
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luckyexwife
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Post by luckyexwife on Jan 29, 2017 17:21:12 GMT
I should add, I know online shopping is cutting into mall profit, but don't people try on clothes anymore? I'm tall (5'11"), so I like to try on to make sure things are long enough. Maybe most people don't anymore? ? I do online shop, but not for clothes.
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Post by padresfan619 on Jan 29, 2017 17:22:41 GMT
Because you have to drive there. Because you have to park. Because you have to deal with people. Because there's not always a chance the store will have the item in the size you need. Because there are lines.
And most of all, I can shop for just about everything I could buy in a mall on my couch and have it delivered in two days. The convenience of Amazon trumps going to the mall 100% of the time for me. Why spend the time, gas, aggravation of dealing with the general public when I could do it from home? Shopping on amazon has also greatly cut down on my impulse buying, I get what I need and go to my cart instead of adding a bunch of things as I walk around the store.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 29, 2017 17:22:55 GMT
Here outdoor shopping areas ("town square" style shopping areas) are SO much more popular. You can pull up to any store, park in front of that store, shop at that store, and leave without walking through the mall. Or you can stroll around in an environment without any of the annoyances of a mall - music, loud ambiance, teenagers, aggressive kiosks, crowds. Instead it's like you're taking a walk outside through trees, fountains, around ponds. So much more pleasant.
I think it's also that there is a bigger divide. If you want cheap things you go to Walmart or the like. If you want upscale you go to one of the fancy town squares. There's not much desire for in between anymore.
There have been a ton of great articles about the death of the mall published lately.
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Post by its me mg on Jan 29, 2017 17:27:26 GMT
Here outdoor shopping areas ("town square" style shopping areas) are SO much more popular. You can pull up to any store, park in front of that store, shop at that store, and leave without walking through the mall. Or you can stroll around in an environment without any of the annoyances of a mall - music, loud ambiance, teenagers, aggressive kiosks, crowds. Instead it's like you're taking a walk outside through trees, fountains, around ponds. So much more pleasant. I think it's also that there is a bigger divide. If you want cheap things you go to Walmart or the like. If you want upscale you go to one of the fancy town squares. There's not much desire for in between anymore. There have been a ton of great articles about the death of the mall published lately. Yes, my local mall even added an outdoor section they call the "lifestyle plaza" ... but nowadays we are seeing way more of those outdoor malls then the traditional multi level with anchor stores. I do work in a mall - my restaurant is an anchor restaurant - and the parking there is so horrendous that we lose a lot of guests that way. Especially during the holidays. I'd rather poke my eye out with a spoon then try to park in that mall. I'm with the previous poster - if I can order it in my PJ's and avoid people, the internet wins over a trip to the mall! 
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Post by myshelly on Jan 29, 2017 17:27:42 GMT
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Jan 29, 2017 17:27:52 GMT
Ive noticed that their inventory is a lot less than it used to be and in store prices seem to be much higher than online. I was looking at books the other day and its cheaper if I order online vs picking up in store. Which makes no sense to me. Lane Bryant is another example we noticed yesterday. Their sale prices are still way higher than I would pay for their clothing. Their sales aren't really sales either and the selection is very limited. When I go online, I find more. I think many stores are relying more and more on online purchases. Less overhead to content with, probably less employees to pay and provide benefits to.
The malls here that are doing well include some of the bigger tech stores and flashy stores. Apple, Lego, Barnes and Noble etc. They have lots of restaurants and little boutiques around the mall. I feel like I can one stop shop there. The mall closest to me doesn't have any of those things. They have a used game/book/movie store, a movie theater but Ive noticed more and more store fronts disappearing from them and not being filled. the other mall doesn't have empty spaces. I feel like I can only go to the closest mall for one or two things and then have to chase down the others. Id rather drive the 45 min to the bigger mall and get them all done in one place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 17:28:24 GMT
Brick and mortar stores try to cut costs by cutting sales staff which is a stupid move. If you need help you can't find the help you need and it creates lines at check out. If I'm going to have to help myself might as well do it online. Why stand in line at a check out when I can sit at home on my couch and get the same items?
Malls around me have become teen hang outs along with teen antics/pranks and no on with the authority to get them to behave. I feel very unsafe at most of the malls around me. They aren't places to get shopping done, they are places for unsupervised minors to be out of their parents hair.
I don't have to park half a mile away and walk when I shop online.
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 29, 2017 17:33:27 GMT
Online shopping is readily available, and you can often get great deals with or without a coupon. You may not be able to get the same deal in an actual store.
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Post by valincal on Jan 29, 2017 17:33:41 GMT
I find in the US that there is such competition for your spending dollars. So many choices! It's got to be hard for retailers to be successful.
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Post by melanell on Jan 29, 2017 17:34:08 GMT
I think it's several things all working together. Here are the top 4 reasons why I spend far, far less time in a mall these days than I did 20-30 years ago.
#1. It's the big box stores like Walmart & Target. You can buy everything there. I don't like Walmart, but I love Target.
#2. Other large free-standing specialty stores---Toys R Us, Barnes & Noble, etc., that have taken the place of the small book, music, & toy stores in malls. I see many malls these days which are 95% or more just clothing, shoes, jewelry, & accessories. I just don't need that much of that stuff. I don't want that much of that stuff. I miss the other stores. And other people seem to miss them to, because when I do go to the mall, I notice that it's the non-clothing stores that seem to always have the biggest crowds.
#3. There are just too many malls. People drive everywhere these days. Many of us are driving further and further to get to work & school. So it's no big deal for us to drive a little further to go to a different mall. So now, instead of having one mall closest to us that we'd go to in the past, we have maybe 3 or 4 that we feel are an acceptable driving distance. BUT, there are so many repeat stores in these malls, that the stores become boring to us. And then the entire mall seems to become boring.
#4. Shopping online. in the past, I did still go to the mall at Christmas time, but now, this year, I bought things online and avoided the traffic annoyances of the mall area. I did wind up at the mall once to exchange something I purchased online from Old navy, but that was it.
Those are the top 4 reasons that I rarely go to any malls these days. But I am sure that there are plenty of other reasons as well.
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 29, 2017 17:34:49 GMT
An additional thing: people have been moving back into city centers, and malls by their sprawling nature tend to require a suburban or exurban location. There is only one traditional indoor mall in the city limits here, and it is a smaller mall; if I want big, traditional malls, I have to drive out to the burbs. No thanks.
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Post by melanell on Jan 29, 2017 17:38:28 GMT
Here outdoor shopping areas ("town square" style shopping areas) are SO much more popular. You can pull up to any store, park in front of that store, shop at that store, and leave without walking through the mall. Or you can stroll around in an environment without any of the annoyances of a mall - music, loud ambiance, teenagers, aggressive kiosks, crowds. Instead it's like you're taking a walk outside through trees, fountains, around ponds. So much more pleasant. I agree. Except for days with the most miserable of weather (in which case I would just stay home), I;d much rather be able to go outside in between stores and get a breath of fresh air and some sun. I know many malls have started adding or being built with plenty of sky lights, but overall, they still seem so dark and stuffy to me. I like to go outdoors in between shopping. Plus, many of the larger stores in the shopping centers tend to have carts. And that's another reason I've moved away from the mall over the years. It's much easier to hold jackets, diaper bags, and multiple kids all together in a cart than even the largest of strollers. And the cart is typically easier to maneuver as well. Plus, then I have someplace to put my purchases. So having an easier place to shop with kids would be one more reason for me. Save
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Post by michellegb on Jan 29, 2017 17:39:02 GMT
Brick and mortar stores try to cut costs by cutting sales staff which is a stupid move. If you need help you can't find the help you need and it creates lines at check out. If I'm going to have to help myself might as well do it online. Why stand in line at a check out when I can sit at home on my couch and get the same items? Malls around me have become teen hang outs along with teen antics/pranks and no on with the authority to get them to behave. I feel very unsafe at most of the malls around me. They aren't places to get shopping done, they are places for unsupervised minors to be out of their parents hair. I don't have to park half a mile away and walk when I shop online.  It is ridiculous to go into a mall and try to find a store geared toward someone over the age of 25. Never mind clothing for women over 25 that isn't ridiculously overpriced. I always enjoyed wandering a mall to shop, but there just aren't many good ones anymore. SaveSave
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Post by edie3 on Jan 29, 2017 17:44:12 GMT
I was looking for towels, and went into 4 stores at our mall, Dillards, Belks, Pennys and Macys. None of the stores had the color I wanted. There was not much to chose from style or color wise. Came home, went online and was found exactly what I wanted. The B&M stores just do not have the selection you can get online.
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Post by melanell on Jan 29, 2017 17:44:30 GMT
I'd say at this point that we tend to go to malls more for events happening there than for actual shopping. And the events are supposed to draw in shoppers, but going back to my reasons of "all the same stores" and "only clothing for the most part", there's nothing to interest us in shopping while we are there. Over the winter break, we took our kids to an event at a local mall, and the only shopping we did was that DS asked if he could look in the dollar store, LOL. Because let's face it, a dollar store works well with a 6 year old's allowance. But we never would have driven there just to go to the dollar store. That same kid typically spends his money at the grocery store. Because one of our regional grocery stores (Wegmans) also sells a decent selection of toys & books. Which boils down to this---my kid can find Lego at the grocery store, but not at the mall. So the mall isn't even on my son's radar for actual shopping most of the time. 
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Post by fredfreddy on Jan 29, 2017 17:51:59 GMT
For me it is because there are same freaking stores over and over again: women's clothing, shoes, jewelry, technology stores. That is 90% of our local mall.
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Post by grammanisi on Jan 29, 2017 17:54:41 GMT
We used to have 2 malls here in town. One was torn down and a strip mall built. I would say that 90% of the spaces in this strip mall are empty. Now there is talk of tearing down the remaining mall and building, wait for it, a strip mall. I don't know why they think this strip mall will garner more stores or customers than the empty one just a few miles away.
There is a newish, smaller strip mall about 5 minutes from my house. I counted 5 spaces with stores in them and 8 empty.
Also, the fact that this is northern Indiana, our weather is many times not conducive to strip mall shopping.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 29, 2017 18:25:28 GMT
Here outdoor shopping areas ("town square" style shopping areas) are SO much more popular. You can pull up to any store, park in front of that store, shop at that store, and leave without walking through the mall. Or you can stroll around in an environment without any of the annoyances of a mall - music, loud ambiance, teenagers, aggressive kiosks, crowds. Instead it's like you're taking a walk outside through trees, fountains, around ponds. So much more pleasant. I agree. Except for days with the most miserable of weather (in which case I would just stay home), I;d much rather be able to go outside in between stores and get a breath of fresh air and some sun. I know many malls have started adding or being built with plenty of sky lights, but overall, they still seem so dark and stuffy to me. I like to go outdoors in between shopping. Plus, many of the larger stores in the shopping centers tend to have carts. And that's another reason I've moved away from the mall over the years. It's much easier to hold jackets, diaper bags, and multiple kids all together in a cart than even the largest of strollers. And the cart is typically easier to maneuver as well. Plus, then I have someplace to put my purchases. So having an easier place to shop with kids would be one more reason for me. SaveWhat you are describing sounds more like a strip mall type shopping center. Those are popular here. But different than the town square areas that are really popular. For example, ours is a large, sprawling area that has things like The Cheesecake Factory, a nice movie theatre, a mix of independent stores like toy stores and mid-upscale boutiques like Kendra Scott and Vera Bradley and Sephora. Tons of restaurants, tons of stores, plus the city buildings like the library, all situated amongst trees and around a big pond with ducks as gazebos. Then the city puts on festivals, concerts, fireworks, art shows. It's like a nice mall, but outside, combined with community functions like the library and courthouse, with a big green area as well
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 18:29:50 GMT
Capitalism homogenizes stuff. It's always cheaper per unit to make a lot of something than a little of something - provided you have a market for that larger quantity. Hence, McDonalds, McMarriotts, McMalls, etc.
But w/that homogenization comes boredom, repetitiveness, loss of interest.
Hence Panera Bread, Boutique Hotels, Outdoor Malls. They do their own homogenization, but not as all-pervasive a scale as the really really big corps. Panera changes things up. Outdoor Malls have a few local stores or one-offs.
I think people are tired of walking into chain stores, hotels, malls (all owned by a few mega-mall operators) and finding the exact same stuff as every other store, hotel, mall.
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Post by anniefb on Jan 29, 2017 18:37:08 GMT
Because you have to drive there. Because you have to park. Because you have to deal with people. Because there's not always a chance the store will have the item in the size you need. Because there are lines. And most of all, I can shop for just about everything I could buy in a mall on my couch and have it delivered in two days. The convenience of Amazon trumps going to the mall 100% of the time for me. Why spend the time, gas, aggravation of dealing with the general public when I could do it from home? Shopping on amazon has also greatly cut down on my impulse buying, I get what I need and go to my cart instead of adding a bunch of things as I walk around the store. That ^^
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Post by Leone on Jan 29, 2017 19:08:29 GMT
They got boring as they were too repetitious. The stores are not interesting to me. The parking is a pain, Often the teenagers hanging out in them are obnoxious. I stopped going to two of them because I didnt feel safe. I buy amost everything online.
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Post by silverlining on Jan 29, 2017 19:12:17 GMT
I live near a beautiful outdoor mall, and I go there often, but not usually to buy merchandise! There are a couple excellent healthy restaurants there that my husband and I enjoy. And, I have to go there to return my online purchases that don't fit. I do almost all my clothes shopping and holiday gift buying online.
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Post by KikiPea on Jan 29, 2017 19:30:56 GMT
Because you have to drive there. Because you have to park. Because you have to deal with people. Because there's not always a chance the store will have the item in the size you need. Because there are lines. And most of all, I can shop for just about everything I could buy in a mall on my couch and have it delivered in two days. The convenience of Amazon trumps going to the mall 100% of the time for me. Why spend the time, gas, aggravation of dealing with the general public when I could do it from home? Shopping on amazon has also greatly cut down on my impulse buying, I get what I need and go to my cart instead of adding a bunch of things as I walk around the store. I'm the opposite. I mean, I HATE shopping at the mall, and like free standing stores. I hate the parking, and all of the people that think they are the only ones who exist. BUT, I have a REALLY hard time shopping online, even for shoes. So, as long as there are free standing stores, or outdoor, open "malls", I will shop there.
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Post by txdancermom on Jan 29, 2017 19:36:52 GMT
I am not surprised. Here in the Dallas area it seemed like there was a mall every few miles and they all had the same stores, or nearly the same. And all the merchandise was the same. I always wondered how our local economy could support all of those malls/stores. We can't and many are closing. The ones that are surviving are keeping the store mix different, and making it back into an experience. and then there is on line shopping.
however, I admit to shopping on line a lot more, and going to the mall less, and looking at places other than the mall for unique items.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jan 29, 2017 19:56:34 GMT
They tear down our malls and put up outdoor malls. Two exceptions, there are two more 'upscale' malls that are more recent that the malls built 30 some years ago.. All done with beautiful floors, walls, lights, etc. very Colorado'ish feeling, I guess.
Another mall near downtown is now charging for parking. Guess what? I will NEVER go there again. Charge for parking at a mall? No thanks.
I do like touching stuff before I buy and that is where my hang up is. If I want to buy bath towels, I want to feel them first. Can't do that online and I hate dealing with returns. Clothing in another thing, I want to try stuff on before buying. My body/shape is weird so I like to try stuff on first. I HATE dealing with returns.. Did I say that?
But all the stores I typically go to now are either anchors at the outdoor malls or stand alone. Last time I went to a regular indoor mall was 2 years ago? Maybe longer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 20:10:23 GMT
Personally I do most of my shopping at kohls, penneys, and Walmart. Malls are too much trouble.
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Post by bc2ca on Jan 29, 2017 20:16:43 GMT
I agree that the town square, open air type mall seems to still be doing well and are thriving around here. The ones that are doing best have a mix of theaters, restaurants (not just a food court) and a gym that bring people. The growth of the outlet malls also has to be a factor in killing the regular malls. It used to be going to an outlet was a planned event and they seemed to be in smaller communities, now I can think of three less than an hour away in different directions.
Smaller malls that were anchored by a mid-income department stores have definitely been hit hardest. So many of those store didn't survive the last two economic downturns and an empty anchor store kills the mall since almost all the smaller stores are available a few miles over at the next mall. Once a mall is off the radar for consumers, it rarely gets back on track. My BIL works in Mall development and has been trying to get Apple into one of his properties for years. If he can get them, at least a dozen other stores will jump into lease as well.
Stores are also encouraging the online buying. Three items DD wanted for Christmas from Urban Outfitters were only available online. A few years ago, shopping for prom dresses at Nordstroms the sales attendant offered to sit down with us and her Ipad so we could look at what was available beyond their small instore selection and order online.
It's interesting to hear the complaints about teens taking over malls because I don't think that is anything new or different.
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Post by maryland on Jan 29, 2017 20:22:02 GMT
The closest mall to us is about 40 min. away (lots of lights) so we don't go very often. Also, the mall stores are pretty expensive, we stick to Target and Kohl's (and American Eagle in a strip mall a mile away).
But we don't order online, we always shop. I have to try on things. But I am too cheap to pay shipping, and if I got the wrong size, it's inconvenient for me to go to the post office all the time to mail things back. We have great stores near us, Target, Kohl's, almost every store we need. So it's not expensive buying gas for shopping.
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Post by likescarrots on Jan 29, 2017 20:30:39 GMT
I actually don't mind going to malls but I've found in recent years that the stores only carry about 1/4 of the product they sell online and also that I just cannot find clothes that fit my body (and frankly I'm surprised most clothes by mall stores fit ANYONE) anymore. Also I think the price of clothing became outrageous, I will only shop when there are sales. I know people try to argue that you should pay more for something because it's better quality but I don't think that's even the case anymore. My husband bought me a Kate Spade purse two years ago and the leather has completely fallen apart, the plastic piping under the leather is showing through, the handles have rubbed off to show the fabric underneath, etc. I've had $20 purses from tj maxx unknown brands that lasted longer.
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