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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 16, 2017 22:34:04 GMT
So I wanted to watch that clip from the speech, but every time I hovered the mouse over it, I started to feel the beginnings of a panic attack. I'm not even exaggerating. I am so torn between the need to stay informed and the need to keep myself together. I can still read about him, but listening to him is now officially a trigger for my panic attacks. I'm sorry! That must be pretty awful. It's going to be a long four (? Two? One?) years...
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Post by flute4peace on Feb 16, 2017 22:38:23 GMT
So I wanted to watch that clip from the speech, but every time I hovered the mouse over it, I started to feel the beginnings of a panic attack. I'm not even exaggerating. I am so torn between the need to stay informed and the need to keep myself together. I can still read about him, but listening to him is now officially a trigger for my panic attacks. I'm starting to get to be the same way.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 16, 2017 22:38:39 GMT
Soooooo.....where are his supporters on this? How do you "reconcile" him now?
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Post by anonrefugee on Feb 16, 2017 22:42:52 GMT
So I wanted to watch that clip from the speech, but every time I hovered the mouse over it, I started to feel the beginnings of a panic attack. I'm not even exaggerating. I am so torn between the need to stay informed and the need to keep myself together. I can still read about him, but listening to him is now officially a trigger for my panic attacks. I'm starting to get to be the same way. My relative who voted Trump, due to hatred of all things Clinton, has also started feeling this.
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Post by monklady123 on Feb 16, 2017 22:46:07 GMT
Holy fuck, his absolute attack on the press was jaw dropping. Disclaimer...I just got home and haven't read all five pages of this thread yet. And haven't seen whatever Trump said. (and I don't plan to actually see it, I'll just read the paper as usual). But -- I'm glad when he continues to attack the press because the American press -- well, press anywhere I think... -- is not going to take it lying down. And he can't censor them, not in this country. So I say Trump go right ahead and keep on attacking, and see where it gets you.
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Post by flute4peace on Feb 16, 2017 22:47:44 GMT
Even Shep Smith on Fox cannot believe his ears re, the electoral votes. (Don't ask how I know) I think Shep should exit that Fox Hole. Is this really happening? But, but, but, the stock market. I think the Fox reporters starting to doubt/question/challenge Trump is the best possible thing that could happen within the media situation.
I also find it interesting that Fox is now under federal investigation for payoffs/settlements regarding discrimination.
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Post by rodeomom on Feb 16, 2017 22:51:01 GMT
Holy fuck, his absolute attack on the press was jaw dropping. Disclaimer...I just got home and haven't read all five pages of this thread yet. And haven't seen whatever Trump said. (and I don't plan to actually see it, I'll just read the paper as usual). But -- I'm glad when he continues to attack the press because the American press -- well, press anywhere I think... -- is not going to take it lying down. And he can't censor them, not in this country. So I say Trump go right ahead and keep on attacking, and see where it gets you. I really hope this is true! That he can't censor them. But then again he is trying to change the law so you can sue. And if I he calls them fake news there are people who believe him...
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Post by flute4peace on Feb 16, 2017 22:53:31 GMT
Holy fuck, his absolute attack on the press was jaw dropping. Disclaimer...I just got home and haven't read all five pages of this thread yet. And haven't seen whatever Trump said. (and I don't plan to actually see it, I'll just read the paper as usual). But -- I'm glad when he continues to attack the press because the American press -- well, press anywhere I think... -- is not going to take it lying down. And he can't censor them, not in this country. So I say Trump go right ahead and keep on attacking, and see where it gets you. Yet
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Feb 16, 2017 23:11:20 GMT
Things I learned today:
1. Things that are chaotic and disastrous ... and "bad": -The mess of a country President Trump inherited -The mess of a world he inherited -Inner cities, only one of which has a name -The Ninth Circuit Court -The U.S. military -All media minus "Fox and Friends"
2. Things that are efficient and successful ... and "great": -His presidency -His White House -And maybe uranium things. Hard to tell.
3. More Things: I learned about disastrous Obamacare, which resulted in mobs of people in alleys who are most certainly not Republicans so of course are not represented by Republicans in Congress.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Feb 16, 2017 23:13:10 GMT
Sadly, no surprises here:
1. Representative Cummings says that no, he has not received several phone calls from the White House and no, he did not cancel an appointment with the president because of political pressure because - wait for it - there was never any appointment. He is very eager to meet with the president when he and Senator Sanders complete a proposal about prescription drug prices (not inner cities).
He also would encourage the president to visit some cities to learn that there are plenty of African Americans leading productive and safe lives.
Rep. Cummings was admirably gracious in the interview I just saw.
2. The Congressional Black Caucus wrote to the president on January 19, the day before the inauguration, requesting a meeting.
There has been no reply.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 16, 2017 23:44:09 GMT
Okay, I really, really tried to read that thing. What a disjointed, chaotic clusterdunk. I can understand now why people were drinking when they watched that press conference or read the transcript of it, because as a reasonably logical and sober person, I couldn't make any sense of any of it. I seriously could feel my eyes rolling back into my head at times. How can anybody who supported him see or read that and think any of it is totally okay? Delusional doesn't even scratch the surface.
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Post by monklady123 on Feb 16, 2017 23:49:52 GMT
Disclaimer...I just got home and haven't read all five pages of this thread yet. And haven't seen whatever Trump said. (and I don't plan to actually see it, I'll just read the paper as usual). But -- I'm glad when he continues to attack the press because the American press -- well, press anywhere I think... -- is not going to take it lying down. And he can't censor them, not in this country. So I say Trump go right ahead and keep on attacking, and see where it gets you. Yet Honestly, I don't believe it could ever happen. Even in the little third-world country run by a dictator where I lived in West Africa there was a thriving underground press. I think Trump could try but could never succeed in muffling our press.
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Post by linda~lou on Feb 16, 2017 23:55:22 GMT
Oh my hell. I just read those surveys. They're a joke, right? Please tell me they're a joke.
YOU WON YOU STUPID MORON. RUN THE COUNTRY AND QUIT RUNNING YOUR MOUTH ABOUT WHAT THE PRESS IS SAYING. If you shut your trap and quit spewing lies and start acting like a president, maybe they would say something good about you.
Highly doubtful though since the first EO was a total and complete ban on countries that should have never been ban in the first place. In fact, I'm not sure he could ever do anything the press would be happy about except announce his resignation.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Feb 17, 2017 1:05:05 GMT
From The Hill:
Surely I'm not the only one who fantasizes about Mr. Trump lying on a (gold) sofa talking to Adam Arkin about his relationship with his father?
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Post by lizacreates on Feb 17, 2017 1:51:58 GMT
Holy fuck, his absolute attack on the press was jaw dropping. Disclaimer...I just got home and haven't read all five pages of this thread yet. And haven't seen whatever Trump said. (and I don't plan to actually see it, I'll just read the paper as usual). But -- I'm glad when he continues to attack the press because the American press -- well, press anywhere I think... -- is not going to take it lying down. And he can't censor them, not in this country. So I say Trump go right ahead and keep on attacking, and see where it gets you. Yup. Let's just take the New York Times as an example. That paper's been around since the 1800s. There's no Trump, or whatever version comes after, can halt that publication. The Washington Post? Been around since the late-1800s. CNN? Been around even before Trump was hustling in NYC. Owned by Time-Warner. MSNBC? Ha...owned by Microsoft. These aren't fly-by-nights, mom-and-pop operations that ask how high when Trump says jump.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 17, 2017 2:20:29 GMT
Which is why I pay absolutely no attention to polls anymore. ^^^ I actually did start filling one of them out... but the questions are SOOO skewed (and frankly, poorly written) that I don't think anyone could fill it out objectively, anyway. I think as going to but 1. most of them weren't even questions. 2. There is as no option for WTF 3. There was no option for WTAF 4. There was no hell no 5. There was no option for 'you made that up' or 'are you f'in kidding' 6. Then they wanted my real name and email and I bailed. If I'm going to get my name on a 'list' I want to be able to answer real answers
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Post by elaine on Feb 17, 2017 2:32:22 GMT
The more Trump speaks in public, the more he sounds like someone battling with dementia.
The being stuck on a couple of things (the election and the media) and complaining about them no matter what the actual topic of discussion is. The level of combativeness and the level of paranoia. The gibberish that comes out of his mouth as he apparently loses his train of thought mid-sentence.
Many people who have watched a parent go down that sad slope can recognize the behavior.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 17, 2017 2:57:24 GMT
The more Trump speaks in public, the more he sounds like someone battling with dementia. The being stuck on a couple of things (the election and the media) and complaining about them no matter what the actual topic of discussion is. The level of combativeness and the level of paranoia. The gibberish that comes out of his mouth as he apparently loses his train of thought mid-sentence. Many people who have watched a parent go down that sad slope can recognize the behavior. His followers don't think so. I just read some comments on Ann Coulter's FB page, and I have to tell you, the fans loved that presser. Incredible but true.
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Post by flute4peace on Feb 17, 2017 3:02:07 GMT
The more Trump speaks in public, the more he sounds like someone battling with dementia. The being stuck on a couple of things (the election and the media) and complaining about them no matter what the actual topic of discussion is. The level of combativeness and the level of paranoia. The gibberish that comes out of his mouth as he apparently loses his train of thought mid-sentence. Many people who have watched a parent go down that sad slope can recognize the behavior. His followers don't think so. I just read some comments on Ann Coulter's FB page, and I have to tell you, the fans loved that presser. Incredible but true. This blows my mind. but I hear people say it around here too.
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Post by Merge on Feb 17, 2017 3:04:53 GMT
The more Trump speaks in public, the more he sounds like someone battling with dementia. The being stuck on a couple of things (the election and the media) and complaining about them no matter what the actual topic of discussion is. The level of combativeness and the level of paranoia. The gibberish that comes out of his mouth as he apparently loses his train of thought mid-sentence. Many people who have watched a parent go down that sad slope can recognize the behavior. His followers don't think so. I just read some comments on Ann Coulter's FB page, and I have to tell you, the fans loved that presser. Incredible but true. Man gets in front of a room of reporters and carries on like a maniac for over an hour, going over the same tired complaints about the press and bringing up his EC victory yet again, and they love it. Regular citizens peacefully protest and speak out against his policies, and they say we're acting like babies and need to get over it. It's Bizarro World, for sure.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 17, 2017 4:16:53 GMT
The more Trump speaks in public, the more he sounds like someone battling with dementia. The being stuck on a couple of things (the election and the media) and complaining about them no matter what the actual topic of discussion is. The level of combativeness and the level of paranoia. The gibberish that comes out of his mouth as he apparently loses his train of thought mid-sentence. Many people who have watched a parent go down that sad slope can recognize the behavior. Yup, been there, done that and it all seems eerily familiar. The one track mind my mom developed was one of our first tip offs that something was seriously wrong.
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Post by elaine on Feb 17, 2017 4:31:16 GMT
The more Trump speaks in public, the more he sounds like someone battling with dementia. The being stuck on a couple of things (the election and the media) and complaining about them no matter what the actual topic of discussion is. The level of combativeness and the level of paranoia. The gibberish that comes out of his mouth as he apparently loses his train of thought mid-sentence. Many people who have watched a parent go down that sad slope can recognize the behavior. Yup, been there, done that and it all seems eerily familiar. The one track mind my mom developed was one of our first tip offs that something was seriously wrong. I can't tell you the number of times I heard from my MIL (who is now on an Alzheimer's wing of a nursing home) about my husband's love of mashed potatoes as a small child and also about the people who were breaking into her house and rearranging her figurines.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 17, 2017 4:34:53 GMT
Yup, been there, done that and it all seems eerily familiar. The one track mind my mom developed was one of our first tip offs that something was seriously wrong. I can't tell you the number of times I heard from my MIL (who is now on an Alzheimer's wing of a nursing home) about my husband's love of mashed potatoes as a small child and also about the people who were breaking into her house and rearranging her figurines.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 17, 2017 12:06:42 GMT
Except that he didn't have the highest electoral vote total since Reagan. Both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama got substantially more electoral college votes (both times!) than he did. So even his continued brag is a lie. Ugh. Both of Obama's wins, both of Clinton's wins and one of GWB's wins were higher. I'm actually kind of sad that Bush Senior wasn't in there somewhere so that he could be wrong on all counts.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 17, 2017 12:08:16 GMT
I would love to see a transcript of the press conference. Look at his exact words, the incomplete sentences, the zig zag of his thought process. I linked to the WaPo's transcript a few posts up. Thank-you! You're awesome! Not getting any work done today…
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Post by pyccku on Feb 17, 2017 13:25:29 GMT
The more Trump speaks in public, the more he sounds like someone battling with dementia. The being stuck on a couple of things (the election and the media) and complaining about them no matter what the actual topic of discussion is. The level of combativeness and the level of paranoia. The gibberish that comes out of his mouth as he apparently loses his train of thought mid-sentence. Many people who have watched a parent go down that sad slope can recognize the behavior. At what point do his children step in and say "this is enough, we recognize that his behavior is not normal and it's time to take him out of this equation." Personally, I would feel that it would be harmful to the country to have him in charge and would try to steer him into resigning. But at some point, even if you're not a patriot who cares about the nation as a whole - unless you're really a horrible person, you step in because it's not good for the PERSON. If a regular person were to have this sort of activity, standing up at the local Golden Corral and bringing up the same conspiracy theories and threats towards the press, etc. they would be shuffled off into a quiet area while a responsible party was called to figure out what to do with grandpa. In this case, the people who SHOULD be taking care of it are ignoring it because it's too embarrassing to admit that the face of your party is now losing touch with reality and isn't hiding it very well. At some point, you step in and say "c'mon, dad...let's go home. You've had a rough day." Save
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Post by idahopea on Feb 17, 2017 13:32:49 GMT
- I'm torn between "I have to know what's going on because it's important to know what's going on" and "I will go crazy if I know any more" This!
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 17, 2017 13:46:23 GMT
The more Trump speaks in public, the more he sounds like someone battling with dementia. The being stuck on a couple of things (the election and the media) and complaining about them no matter what the actual topic of discussion is. The level of combativeness and the level of paranoia. The gibberish that comes out of his mouth as he apparently loses his train of thought mid-sentence. Many people who have watched a parent go down that sad slope can recognize the behavior. At what point do his children step in and say "this is enough, we recognize that his behavior is not normal and it's time to take him out of this equation." Personally, I would feel that it would be harmful to the country to have him in charge and would try to steer him into resigning. But at some point, even if you're not a patriot who cares about the nation as a whole - unless you're really a horrible person, you step in because it's not good for the PERSON. If a regular person were to have this sort of activity, standing up at the local Golden Corral and bringing up the same conspiracy theories and threats towards the press, etc. they would be shuffled off into a quiet area while a responsible party was called to figure out what to do with grandpa. In this case, the people who SHOULD be taking care of it are ignoring it because it's too embarrassing to admit that the face of your party is now losing touch with reality and isn't hiding it very well. At some point, you step in and say "c'mon, dad...let's go home. You've had a rough day." SaveYou're right, but I think in this case everybody in a position to otherwise step up and say, "Let's go home, Grandpa" is also corrupt. That's the other side of this insidious situation, people with dementia are VERY easy to manipulate and it's very easy to convince them to do *exactly* what you want them to do. Just ask my loser sibling who literally walked out the front door with pretty much everything of value out of my mom's house before she went to the nursing home. They're not going to take him out when they personally have so much to gain.
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Post by imsirius on Feb 17, 2017 14:36:44 GMT
At what point do his children step in and say "this is enough, we recognize that his behavior is not normal and it's time to take him out of this equation." Personally, I would feel that it would be harmful to the country to have him in charge and would try to steer him into resigning. But at some point, even if you're not a patriot who cares about the nation as a whole - unless you're really a horrible person, you step in because it's not good for the PERSON. If a regular person were to have this sort of activity, standing up at the local Golden Corral and bringing up the same conspiracy theories and threats towards the press, etc. they would be shuffled off into a quiet area while a responsible party was called to figure out what to do with grandpa. In this case, the people who SHOULD be taking care of it are ignoring it because it's too embarrassing to admit that the face of your party is now losing touch with reality and isn't hiding it very well. At some point, you step in and say "c'mon, dad...let's go home. You've had a rough day." SaveYou're right, but I think in this case everybody in a position to otherwise step up and say, "Let's go home, Grandpa" is also corrupt. That's the other side of this insidious situation, people with dementia are VERY easy to manipulate and it's very easy to convince them to do *exactly* what you want them to do. Just ask my loser sibling who literally walked out the front door with pretty much everything of value out of my mom's house before she went to the nursing home. They're not going to take him out when they personally have so much to gain. I agree. Why remove him when he can and will do all their bidding. I bet over half his aides and cabinet loathe him and think he's a huge buffoon, but as long as they praise him and kiss his huge ass, he'll do whatever they want. Pretty much evident that all you have to do to be Trump's BFF is tell him he is great and done well. That was shown in spades with his attitudes towards the reporters yesterday. The ones who asked a "good" question and treated him nicely, were told they were great and nice back. The ones who asked him hard questions and badgered him or contradicted him, were fake and mean.
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Post by ilikepink on Feb 17, 2017 14:51:58 GMT
He's been such a strong personality for so long, he has surrounded himself with Yes Men-and a woman or two- and not anyone who, over the years, would tell him the truth. At this point, no matter how much you want to tell the emperor he has no clothes on, he will not believe it--and he's probably so crazy, that he'll think it's a conspiracy.
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