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Post by gar on Feb 17, 2017 16:06:56 GMT
Party over country is the new patriotic. That is not true in my case. I will give you one reason. I am very happy with Trump's pick for the supreme court. That was very important to me. It has nothing to do with the Republican party. Does that mean that you see the irrational travel ban, the possible links with Russia, bad international relations etc as a reasonable price to pay for that?
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Post by cade387 on Feb 17, 2017 16:16:57 GMT
Party over country is the new patriotic. That is not true in my case. I will give you one reason. I am very happy with Trump's pick for the supreme court. That was very important to me. It has nothing to do with the Republican party. So if you were asked in a poll "are you happy with Donald Trump's presidency so far?" and you can only say yes or no, would you say yes just based on his SC pick?
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Post by used2scrap on Feb 17, 2017 16:20:00 GMT
What good is a (stolen) reasonable Supreme Court pick when a country is in ruins and the world destabilized? Heck of a trade off!
Being willing to overlook Russua trying to interfere in an election and possibly having ears/influence in the White House for a Supreme Court seat is the very definition of party over country to me.
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Post by beebee on Feb 17, 2017 17:10:21 GMT
I am still watching the Russian situation. At this point, there has been no proof. Trump has repeatedly denied any ties. If the intelligence community has ties, I wish they would release it. I think they would release it if they had it because it is obvious there are people in the intelligence community that do not like Trump. I am trying to watch the situation objectively and fairly which is hard with the media circus!
In the Flynn situation, it would have been in the normal scope of the joh to talk to Russia about sanctions. He did not give Pence correct information either purposely or on accident. This is why he lost his job. He made Pence look rather idiotic and that is not good.
There are many things I do not like about Trump and he makes me cringe often. I honestly wanted someone way more right than him. But he is what we have now and I am watching to see if things get better or worse. The comment was made that Republicans were supporting party over country and I gave one reason why I felt that was not true in my case.
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Post by micheley on Feb 17, 2017 17:24:44 GMT
In the Flynn situation, it would have been in the normal scope of the joh to talk to Russia about sanctions. He did not give Pence correct information either purposely or on accident. This is why he lost his job. Not trying to be nit picky, but when Flynn spoke to Russian whomever, it was *before* Trump was inaugurated and before Flynn was technically on the job, correct? So no, it was not appropriate for Flynn to speak about sanctions.
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Post by micheley on Feb 17, 2017 17:42:41 GMT
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Post by lizacreates on Feb 17, 2017 18:12:18 GMT
Well, that’s an hour or so I’ll never get back (I’ll admit I did not listen to the entire thing because there’s only so much abuse I can heap on myself).
Wasted opportunity. Media bad, fake news, blah, blah, blah, I’m great, more blah, blah, Russia is fake news, blah, blah. On those issues that are substantive, everything is superlative according to him but referred to in either very general terms or head-scratching vagueness. I know no more now than I did four weeks ago.
What plans has he implemented to deliver his promised 20+ million jobs? Don’t know. What’s the progress on ACA replacement? Don’t know. What’s the plan for tax reform? Don’t know. What corporate tax loopholes will he eliminate? Don’t know. How’s he planning to protect Main Street despite regulation rollbacks? Don’t know. What’s happening with his immigration enforcement? Don’t know. What are his plans for US involvement in Syria? Don’t know. What were the plans Mattis/Trump formulated to defeat ISIS? Don’t know. How can we afford a $21.6B wall? Where and how will he get funding? Don’t know. Is he still planning to eliminate the Dept of Education and other agencies? Don’t know. What are his plans for aging infrastructure? Don’t know. How does he plan to save Social Security, Medicare, etc.? Don’t know. What are his plans to strengthen the military? Don’t know. Has he changed his mind on waterboarding and black sites? Don’t know. How does he plan to renegotiate NAFTA? Don’t know. What will he do if NATO allies don’t step up their spending? Don’t know. What’s he doing to support our veterans? Don’t know. Has he changed his mind on border tax? Don’t know. When will he begin trade negotiations with China? Don’t know. What are his plans to grow tax revenues? Don’t know. What are his plans to encourage repatriation of cash by major companies? Don’t know.
So, basically, I wasted over an hour with a net takeaway of zero. I don’t know who’s the bigger fool – Trump for being Trump, or I for watching this train wreck.
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Post by micheley on Feb 17, 2017 18:38:40 GMT
1433 days to go.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 17, 2017 18:52:20 GMT
I am still watching the Russian situation. At this point, there has been no proof. Trump has repeatedly denied any ties. If the intelligence community has ties, I wish they would release it. I think they would release it if they had it because it is obvious there are people in the intelligence community that do not like Trump. I am trying to watch the situation objectively and fairly which is hard with the media circus! In the Flynn situation, it would have been in the normal scope of the joh to talk to Russia about sanctions. He did not give Pence correct information either purposely or on accident. This is why he lost his job. He made Pence look rather idiotic and that is not good. There are many things I do not like about Trump and he makes me cringe often. I honestly wanted someone way more right than him. But he is what we have now and I am watching to see if things get better or worse. The comment was made that Republicans were supporting party over country and I gave one reason why I felt that was not true in my case. Which part of the Russia situation are you referring to? There has been proof that Russia interfered with the election. Trump has shown support for Russia and Putin while putting down our intelligence agencies and country left and right. Now Trumps sectors advisor is shown to have talked to Russia about the sanctions that Obama had just out into place (he was still president at the time of this meeting and Flynn was not "on the job" for trump yet). Who do you think put him up to that? Flynn has now also lied to the FBI about this and republicans don't want to investigate their own. Definitely party over country.
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Post by beebee on Feb 17, 2017 19:32:43 GMT
I am still watching the Russian situation. At this point, there has been no proof. Trump has repeatedly denied any ties. If the intelligence community has ties, I wish they would release it. I think they would release it if they had it because it is obvious there are people in the intelligence community that do not like Trump. I am trying to watch the situation objectively and fairly which is hard with the media circus! In the Flynn situation, it would have been in the normal scope of the joh to talk to Russia about sanctions. He did not give Pence correct information either purposely or on accident. This is why he lost his job. He made Pence look rather idiotic and that is not good. There are many things I do not like about Trump and he makes me cringe often. I honestly wanted someone way more right than him. But he is what we have now and I am watching to see if things get better or worse. The comment was made that Republicans were supporting party over country and I gave one reason why I felt that was not true in my case. Which part of the Russia situation are you referring to? There has been proof that Russia interfered with the election. Trump has shown support for Russia and Putin while putting down our intelligence agencies and country left and right. Now Trumps sectors advisor is shown to have talked to Russia about the sanctions that Obama had just out into place (he was still president at the time of this meeting and Flynn was not "on the job" for trump yet). Who do you think put him up to that? Flynn has now also lied to the FBI about this and republicans don't want to investigate their own. Definitely party over country. I have seen where Trump has said it would be good to start on a clean slate with Russia and it would be good to be "friends", but he also said it may not be possible (I am paraphrasing here, these are not his exact words). On the election, from everything I have read, the Russians were behind the email release, but I have never heard nor seen anything that shows that Trump was in with the Russians on this release. It seems to me the Russians did that on their own to show they can cause chaos in America. The Democratic party should have had tighter email controls. And I do think the Democratic party tried to change the whole story and put it on Trump because of the horrible things said in those emails. Again, if I see proof that Trump had anything to do with Russians during this time, I am sure my opinion will change. I am not a fan of Putin. On the Flynn situation, I have already addressed that. I just have to say, I am not a blind Trump supporter even though people on this board will say I am. If there is something that ties Trump to Russia, I have a huge problem with that. I just want to see proof. And so far I haven't. And sadly, I do not trust the media.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 17, 2017 19:45:27 GMT
Which part of the Russia situation are you referring to? There has been proof that Russia interfered with the election. Trump has shown support for Russia and Putin while putting down our intelligence agencies and country left and right. Now Trumps sectors advisor is shown to have talked to Russia about the sanctions that Obama had just out into place (he was still president at the time of this meeting and Flynn was not "on the job" for trump yet). Who do you think put him up to that? Flynn has now also lied to the FBI about this and republicans don't want to investigate their own. Definitely party over country. I have seen where Trump has said it would be good to start on a clean slate with Russia and it would be good to be "friends", but he also said it may not be possible (I am paraphrasing here, these are not his exact words). On the election, from everything I have read, the Russians were behind the email release, but I have never heard nor seen anything that shows that Trump was in with the Russians on this release. It seems to me the Russians did that on their own to show they can cause chaos in America. The Democratic party should have had tighter email controls. And I do think the Democratic party tried to change the whole story and put it on Trump because of the horrible things said in those emails. Again, if I see proof that Trump had anything to do with Russians during this time, I am sure my opinion will change. I am not a fan of Putin. On the Flynn situation, I have already addressed that. I just have to say, I am not a blind Trump supporter even though people on this board will say I am. If there is something that ties Trump to Russia, I have a huge problem with that. I just want to see proof. And so far I haven't. And sadly, I do not trust the media. I'm not convinced that he is not more connected to Russia than he says (just today I caught clips of his son making comments a few years ago about how much money flows in to them from Russia) but even if his comments to Russia to "find the emails" were just a coincidence, isn't his response to Russia interfering in the election concerning?
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Post by MerryMom on Feb 17, 2017 19:52:46 GMT
Trump's "sit down" command to the Jewish reporter was so rude. The reporter was very clear that no one was saying Trump or his WH staff were anti-Semitic, but there has been a significant increase in the number of bomb threats.
However, Trumpers think what he said and how he said it is just great. "He tells it like it is". blah blah blah.
It should be clear that this President has a personality disorder and possibly bi-polar disorder. He may, in fact, need medication.
Hmmm, this thread is interestingly silent by the Trumpers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 19:55:18 GMT
He is very, very fond of the word very, like really very fond. Save
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Post by MerryMom on Feb 17, 2017 19:57:36 GMT
He is very, very fond of the word very, like really very fond. SaveI counted 2 "Sit down" commands.
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Post by elaine on Feb 17, 2017 20:00:56 GMT
I'd also love to see a tally of the number of times he says "stuff" or "things" in place of specific examples.
It is his repeated use of these vague terms that reveals how little he actually knows and makes him look like a middle school student who needs remedial tutoring.
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Post by beebee on Feb 17, 2017 20:14:18 GMT
I have seen where Trump has said it would be good to start on a clean slate with Russia and it would be good to be "friends", but he also said it may not be possible (I am paraphrasing here, these are not his exact words). On the election, from everything I have read, the Russians were behind the email release, but I have never heard nor seen anything that shows that Trump was in with the Russians on this release. It seems to me the Russians did that on their own to show they can cause chaos in America. The Democratic party should have had tighter email controls. And I do think the Democratic party tried to change the whole story and put it on Trump because of the horrible things said in those emails. Again, if I see proof that Trump had anything to do with Russians during this time, I am sure my opinion will change. I am not a fan of Putin. On the Flynn situation, I have already addressed that. I just have to say, I am not a blind Trump supporter even though people on this board will say I am. If there is something that ties Trump to Russia, I have a huge problem with that. I just want to see proof. And so far I haven't. And sadly, I do not trust the media. I'm not convinced that he is not more connected to Russia than he says (just today I caught clips of his son making comments a few years ago about how much money flows in to them from Russia) but even if his comments to Russia to "find the emails" were just a coincidence, isn't his response to Russia interfering in the election concerning? And you might very well be right that he is more connected than he is admitting. But I have not seen any proof of it yet. I did watch that whole press conference during the election on "find the emails". He really did IMO say it sarcastically. He was just trying to make a point that her missing emails were something to be concerned about. The press of course, took his comments and ran with it. I think concerning the Russian hacking and the election, Trump responded the way he did because if he admits he inadvertently got help from the Russians, then that gives more ammunition to those that say he is not the "legitimate" president.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 17, 2017 20:14:48 GMT
Somebody needs to make one of those baby or vacation countdown tickers for this so I can put it in my signature!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 17, 2017 20:17:49 GMT
from the video link... "what an amazing piece of work" ^^^ yup.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 17, 2017 20:23:05 GMT
I'd also love to see a tally of the number of times he says "stuff" or "things" in place of specific examples. It is his repeated use of this vague terms that reveals how little he actually knows and makes him look like a middle school student who needs remedial tutoring. I actually know some middle schoolers who could give a better description than that, quite honestly.
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Post by Mystie on Feb 17, 2017 20:38:18 GMT
Which part of the Russia situation are you referring to? There has been proof that Russia interfered with the election. Trump has shown support for Russia and Putin while putting down our intelligence agencies and country left and right. Now Trumps sectors advisor is shown to have talked to Russia about the sanctions that Obama had just out into place (he was still president at the time of this meeting and Flynn was not "on the job" for trump yet). Who do you think put him up to that? Flynn has now also lied to the FBI about this and republicans don't want to investigate their own. Definitely party over country. I have seen where Trump has said it would be good to start on a clean slate with Russia and it would be good to be "friends", but he also said it may not be possible (I am paraphrasing here, these are not his exact words). On the election, from everything I have read, the Russians were behind the email release, but I have never heard nor seen anything that shows that Trump was in with the Russians on this release. It seems to me the Russians did that on their own to show they can cause chaos in America. The Democratic party should have had tighter email controls. And I do think the Democratic party tried to change the whole story and put it on Trump because of the horrible things said in those emails. Again, if I see proof that Trump had anything to do with Russians during this time, I am sure my opinion will change. I am not a fan of Putin. On the Flynn situation, I have already addressed that. I just have to say, I am not a blind Trump supporter even though people on this board will say I am. If there is something that ties Trump to Russia, I have a huge problem with that. I just want to see proof. And so far I haven't. And sadly, I do not trust the media. I just want to say that I appreciate your thoughtful responses. I'm sorry you don't trust the media, though. Is there no news source you feel you can believe?
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Post by elaine on Feb 17, 2017 20:38:31 GMT
I'd also love to see a tally of the number of times he says "stuff" or "things" in place of specific examples. It is his repeated use of this vague terms that reveals how little he actually knows and makes him look like a middle school student who needs remedial tutoring. I actually know some middle schoolers who could give a better description than that, quite honestly. Most middle schoolers could - hence he looks like one who needs remedial tutoring. I'm sure teachers around the country watch him speak and say things like he did about uranium and think to themselves - "typical b.s. response that one of my students would give in his oral report when he didn't really do the reading."
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Post by beebee on Feb 17, 2017 20:53:35 GMT
I have seen where Trump has said it would be good to start on a clean slate with Russia and it would be good to be "friends", but he also said it may not be possible (I am paraphrasing here, these are not his exact words). On the election, from everything I have read, the Russians were behind the email release, but I have never heard nor seen anything that shows that Trump was in with the Russians on this release. It seems to me the Russians did that on their own to show they can cause chaos in America. The Democratic party should have had tighter email controls. And I do think the Democratic party tried to change the whole story and put it on Trump because of the horrible things said in those emails. Again, if I see proof that Trump had anything to do with Russians during this time, I am sure my opinion will change. I am not a fan of Putin. On the Flynn situation, I have already addressed that. I just have to say, I am not a blind Trump supporter even though people on this board will say I am. If there is something that ties Trump to Russia, I have a huge problem with that. I just want to see proof. And so far I haven't. And sadly, I do not trust the media. I just want to say that I appreciate your thoughtful responses. I'm sorry you don't trust the media, though. Is there no news source you feel you can believe? Thanks Mystie!! I do believe both sides need to keep talking to bring this country together. It is hard though with such hate going on. I try to watch different news sources to get both sides when it comes to politics, but I do think most of it is slanted by the reporter's personal opinion. That goes for both sides. I just think that is the way news is nowadays.
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Post by Montannie on Feb 17, 2017 20:53:39 GMT
It's like it was written properly, entered into google translate and translated to French, then translated to German then translated to Japanese then translated back to English. It is so broken and disjointed, how did he graduate from high school? Brilliant description!
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Post by imsirius on Feb 17, 2017 20:58:53 GMT
I have seen where Trump has said it would be good to start on a clean slate with Russia and it would be good to be "friends", but he also said it may not be possible (I am paraphrasing here, these are not his exact words). On the election, from everything I have read, the Russians were behind the email release, but I have never heard nor seen anything that shows that Trump was in with the Russians on this release. It seems to me the Russians did that on their own to show they can cause chaos in America. The Democratic party should have had tighter email controls. And I do think the Democratic party tried to change the whole story and put it on Trump because of the horrible things said in those emails. Again, if I see proof that Trump had anything to do with Russians during this time, I am sure my opinion will change. I am not a fan of Putin. On the Flynn situation, I have already addressed that. I just have to say, I am not a blind Trump supporter even though people on this board will say I am. If there is something that ties Trump to Russia, I have a huge problem with that. I just want to see proof. And so far I haven't. And sadly, I do not trust the media. I just want to say that I appreciate your thoughtful responses. I'm sorry you don't trust the media, though. Is there no news source you feel you can believe? I also like your respectful responses. I'm wondering what you think about on the campaign trail, that Trump said many times that he had met Putin before and done some talking with him about expanding his businesses there. Trump even said he and Putin were "friendly". He said in that press conference yesterday, that he had never been to Russia but yet he has. Now, he says he doesn't know Putin at all and has never met him.
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Post by beebee on Feb 17, 2017 22:00:35 GMT
I just want to say that I appreciate your thoughtful responses. I'm sorry you don't trust the media, though. Is there no news source you feel you can believe? I also like your respectful responses. I'm wondering what you think about on the campaign trail, that Trump said many times that he had met Putin before and done some talking with him about expanding his businesses there. Trump even said he and Putin were "friendly". He said in that press conference yesterday, that he had never been to Russia but yet he has. Now, he says he doesn't know Putin at all and has never met him. Thanks imsirius! I will have to look into this one. I don't know whether Trump has been to Russia or not or what he has said about it. On the surface though, I don't think it is any big deal if he has. I know many people that have been to Russia for business and they are as American as can be. I will have to look for his words on the subject.
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Post by beebee on Feb 17, 2017 22:53:12 GMT
I just want to say that I appreciate your thoughtful responses. I'm sorry you don't trust the media, though. Is there no news source you feel you can believe? I also like your respectful responses. I'm wondering what you think about on the campaign trail, that Trump said many times that he had met Putin before and done some talking with him about expanding his businesses there. Trump even said he and Putin were "friendly". He said in that press conference yesterday, that he had never been to Russia but yet he has.
Now, he says he doesn't know Putin at all and has never met him. Imsirius, I went back and looked at the press conference and I cannot find where he said he had never been to Russia. I found this: "I have nothing to do with Russia. Haven't made a phone call to Russia in years. Don't speak to people from Russia. Not that I wouldn't. I just have nobody to speak to
(13:58:21) I spoke to Putin twice. He called me on the election. I told you this. And he called me on the inauguration, a few days ago
(13:58:28) We had a very good talk, especially the second one, lasted for a pretty long period of time. I'm sure you probably get it because it was classified. So I'm sure everybody in this room perhaps has it. But we had a very, very good talk
(13:58:43) I have nothing to do with Russia. To the best of my knowledge no person that I deal with does"
But I did not find where he said he had not been to Russia. It was a long press conference so it is quite possible I missed it.
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Post by used2scrap on Feb 17, 2017 22:58:35 GMT
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Post by AussieMeg on Feb 17, 2017 23:12:47 GMT
Somebody needs to make one of those baby or vacation countdown tickers for this so I can put it in my signature! I whipped this one up but I'm not entirely happy. I need to find some more suitable pictures..... Or this one, but I don't know how to embed it. Time Until Trump Leaves Office
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Post by imsirius on Feb 17, 2017 23:28:23 GMT
I also like your respectful responses. I'm wondering what you think about on the campaign trail, that Trump said many times that he had met Putin before and done some talking with him about expanding his businesses there. Trump even said he and Putin were "friendly". He said in that press conference yesterday, that he had never been to Russia but yet he has.
Now, he says he doesn't know Putin at all and has never met him. Imsirius, I went back and looked at the press conference and I cannot find where he said he had never been to Russia. I found this: "I have nothing to do with Russia. Haven't made a phone call to Russia in years. Don't speak to people from Russia. Not that I wouldn't. I just have nobody to speak to
(13:58:21) I spoke to Putin twice. He called me on the election. I told you this. And he called me on the inauguration, a few days ago
(13:58:28) We had a very good talk, especially the second one, lasted for a pretty long period of time. I'm sure you probably get it because it was classified. So I'm sure everybody in this room perhaps has it. But we had a very, very good talk
(13:58:43) I have nothing to do with Russia. To the best of my knowledge no person that I deal with does"
But I did not find where he said he had not been to Russia. It was a long press conference so it is quite possible I missed it. He didn't state it yesterday. Yesterday he stated these things, correct. During the campaign, he said he and Putin had met and talked and they were "friendly" He "liked him". Thought he wasn't a threat.
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Post by PLurker on Feb 17, 2017 23:39:16 GMT
Somebody needs to make one of those baby or vacation countdown tickers for this so I can put it in my signature! I whipped this one up but I'm not entirely happy. I need to find some more suitable pictures..... Or this one, but I don't know how to embed it. Time Until Trump Leaves OfficeThanks AussieMeg You know how all us little we-lost-snowflakes are uncontrollably breaking down and protesting and acting all crazy-like? That's often what rabid Trump supporters claim. I never understand how they can not see how it is affecting more people here than ever in my lifetime. And around the world. It is not normal. And with that, I'm hanging up on you. Click.
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