scrapnnana
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Post by scrapnnana on Aug 17, 2014 19:42:40 GMT
The audacity of some self-appointed "scrapping cops" mentioned in the CM thread made me wonder how many people have been made to feel like there is something wrong with the way they scrapbook. It doesn't need to be CMCs or CM customers, even though a couple of replies in the CM thread got me to wondering.
There were a couple of teachers who used to be at the LSS that always made me feel like they were looking down their noses at my style of scrapping. It wasn't anything they said, just an attitude they had around me (and around a lot of other regulars who went to the LSS to scrap). I tried not to let it bother me, especially since I personally didn't care for the style of one of them either. Every time they came in, I just hated the attitude they brought with them.
Have you been the target of self-appointed scrapping police? Or like me, just made to feel like something was wrong with my style because of someone's arrogant attitude, whether they spoke up or not?
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amom23
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Post by amom23 on Aug 17, 2014 20:00:34 GMT
No I don't recall anyone ever making me feel like I wasn't scrapbooking correctly, but once at a crop a fellow scrapper sitting across from me asked why I leave my photos so big? I wanted to ask her why she cropped the heck out of her 4x6 photos, but I'm pretty sure I just smiled and told her I was just crazy like that lol.
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Post by KikiPea on Aug 17, 2014 20:05:25 GMT
The audacity of some self-appointed "scrapping cops" mentioned in the CM thread made me wonder how many people have been made to feel like there is something wrong with the way they scrapbook. It doesn't need to be CMCs or CM customers, even though a couple of replies in the CM thread got me to wondering. There were a couple of teachers who used to be at the LSS that always made me feel like they were looking down their noses at my style of scrapping. It wasn't anything they said, just an attitude they had around me (and around a lot of other regulars who went to the LSS to scrap). I tried not to let it bother me, especially since I personally didn't care for the style of one of them either. Every time they came in, I just hated the attitude they brought with them. Have you been the target of self-appointed scrapping police? Or like me, just made to feel like something was wrong with my style because of someone's arrogant attitude, whether they spoke up or not? Nope, just CMC's and I didn't care. Just kept on scrappin' my own way!
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Post by anniefb on Aug 17, 2014 20:08:58 GMT
No I don't recall anything like that, but the number of crops I've actually attended is pretty small.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 20:24:49 GMT
I've taught Scrapbooking and card making in several different settings...stores, conventions, retreats, etc. over the years, there have been the occasional incidents of unappreciated judgmental commentary.
I once gave thought to having at shirt made that said "because it's my damn scrapbook."
But ya know...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 20:33:14 GMT
I once showed a layout to a small lss owner who had previously shown interest in my work. She glanced at it and said something like it looked like I had too much time on my hands, something to that effect. I was surprised at her reaction, but I never showed her another layout.
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tracylynn
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Post by tracylynn on Aug 17, 2014 21:16:05 GMT
No - I scrap with a group of 12-18 close friends. We're all supportive of each other. And we all scrap differently. I'm very intricate and it takes me a long time to get pages done that I love. But that's OK - because it's my book!
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scrappyesq
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Post by scrappyesq on Aug 17, 2014 22:03:13 GMT
I never have anyone making me feel like I scrap wrong, but certainly tons of people who make comments that make it seem like I'm wrong to scrap.
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SuPeaNatural
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Post by SuPeaNatural on Aug 17, 2014 22:58:25 GMT
Scrapping wrong, no - but using the wrong product - yes.
About 6-7 years ago, I was a consultant for an Aussie scrapbook direct selling company (the only Aussie owned company). I had a display at a local fair and there was also a CM stand. I knew the local CMC who is a nice lady and not at all a 'CM snob'. Her area manager was also with her for the day, and the manager stopped at my stall and tried to tell me how inferior our product was and that CM is the only "safe" stuff. Her exact words to me - "I used to use those products until I woke up".
So I gave her a patronising smirk & eyeroll and shook my head, and her reaction was priceless - it made my day. She didn't say anything else, but was almost spluttering. I got a "uuhh" and she stalked off. Later I went to see their stall and there she sat, merrily cutting a box of old photos into circles and ovals. I started chatting to my friend and Missy then realized I knew the girl, she went red, put the head down and kept cropping.
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Post by berta147 on Aug 17, 2014 23:39:50 GMT
When I first discovered product other than CM, I started using it, along with my CM product. I went to a big "Croptoberfest" sponsored by all the CMC's in the area.
It was the first time my CMC saw me scrap as I had not been to one of her crops, just bought product. She saw me using some "contraband" product, and though she did not say so, you could tell she wanted to tell me how bad that stuff was!! I was a bad influence to all those other CM scrappers. She walked by several times, and just gave me the "look". Well, now 14+ years later that LO looks as good as it did the day I made it using all that bad product.
Shortly after that I discovered the LLS and went to a crop put on by someone who didn't sell product, or work for the LSS, I just saw the ad there. Well now, she and a few ladies I met at her crop are some of my best friends!! And we still scrap together.
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Post by 3dcrafter on Aug 18, 2014 0:04:35 GMT
I guess I have been fortunate to not have had that experience scrap wise, but I have had people question my choice in other products I've chosen to buy and use. I have learned to ignore "those" types just for the fact that I know in my heart I can't change their attitude no matter what I say. The only thing I can control is how I chose to react and how much I allow their opinion to affect me. Took me a long time to figure this out, wish I had figured this out when I was in my teens(and I'm not saying how long ago that was..lol)I would have been a whole lot happier.
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tiffanytwisted
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Post by tiffanytwisted on Aug 18, 2014 0:57:45 GMT
I do it to myself sometimes, lol. I have a pal who, while she'll branch out on occasion, still mainly scraps the CM way. She's able to get lots more photos on her pages and blaze thru her layouts a lot quicker than I do and sometimes when we're scrapping together I wonder . . . Then I get a grip and realize I'm being silly and keep on w/my less-photos-more-embellished pages and I'm fine.
I did have someone 'shame me' about my adhesive choice at a crop once. Back before I discovered my beloved Glue Glider Pro, I had become disenchanted w/my Tombow runner (things were falling off my pages), so I went back to photo squares (or photo splits). A woman walked by my table and said something like, "Oh, you're still using those?". Whatever . . .
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Post by txdancermom on Aug 18, 2014 1:28:45 GMT
many years ago I went to a scrapbook day crop, and some of the other customers questionned why I was not using all the CM "appproved" adhesives and papers and implied I was doing things wrong
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Post by cupcakepeddler on Aug 18, 2014 4:02:48 GMT
I have never been called out for scrapbooking wrong but I was questioned on why and what I scrapbooked seeing as I was young, single and had no children.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 4:22:44 GMT
No, but I've been in an uncomfortable position of having my BFF compare her style to mine. We approach scrapbooking differently, and I'm cool with that. Somehow, she has this impression that mine is "better," so she ends up hating her pages at a crop. I have no idea how to make her embrace her style (other than to abandon mine, which isn't going to happen), so it does end up making me feel helpless.
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Post by lovestocreate on Aug 18, 2014 5:12:11 GMT
Once upon a time before our kids were born, we hosted a dinner party and a friend brought one of her friends. The 'new' friend was really into scrapbooking and took out my album from the shelf, quickly leafed through it without really looking and said, "is this all you've done?" Her baby grabbed and crunched a few pages, too before she took it from the little one's reach.
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Post by pelirroja on Aug 18, 2014 11:32:05 GMT
I have never felt that I scrapped "wrong" even though I was on the receiving end of those CM contraband comments at a crop once. Once.just.once. I never bought anything from the CMC after that. She lost a lot of business from me and the others I had brought to the crop by her need to say something. I brought six mixed media buddies to the crop (they wanted to combine their techniques with scrapping) so there was a lot for the CMC to criticize. And she did. Repeatedly. The worst part was that this crop was a sweepstakes win for me and my friends. Not such a blessing to win that one, was it?
A few years ago, the CMC kept posting Craigslist ads trying to unload thousands of dollars worth of CM product. I guess I wasn't the only one she tried to be "helpful" to. Bless her heart. All these years later, my allegedly contraband pages are still just fine. I'm guessing that the practice of insulting one's customers scrapping style and product picks didn't work out so well for the bottom line.
I guess I should thank CM for ticking me off so badly that I discovered my brick-and-mortar LSS.
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Post by mallie on Aug 18, 2014 12:25:55 GMT
My co-irker used to be a CM rep and she was a PITA. Her scrapbooks followed all the CM rules and were, also, very very plain (two papers per page with borders and a journaling spot next to a photo). No themed pages ever.
There used to be a quite a few people who scrapbooked in our office and none of them did it the "right" way (according to the CM rulebook). Someone would bring in a scrapbook, all excited and she'd always ruin the moment. She'd always make comments about how our pages were going to get dents from the embellishments or that some real items someone used (say a movie ticket stub or a newborn's hospital bracelet) were not acid free and were going to make the pages "rot" in the future and what's the point of doing a scrapbook if it's not going to last forever? Why are you all wasting your time?
I finally had it one day and told her that the odds were that NONE of our scrapbooks, including hers, were going to last forever. I pointed out that I'd had a flood in my house, so and so moved and the movers lost several of her boxes, and another person lost a box due to mice getting into it and eating it -- and any of those situations could have resulted in ruined scrapbooks and those were just the people sitting around the table having bad luck. What about great grandkids that don't give a rip? So from my pov, it would be a rarity for any of our scrapbooks to survive longer than 50 years, so I'm not worried about forever.
I also pointed out that if the most important thing was having the pages utterly flat, then why not just go completely digital and print up books -- which is a service CM provided?
In fact, she ended up doing just that -- she switched almost entirely to digital and prints up books. Interestingly enough, her digital scrapbooks are just as simple as her regular scrapbooks -- very plain, no fun effects, basically papers with borders and photos plopped on with a journaling spot next to them. And that's fine for her, but none of us are saying what we think of them. Because we have, you know, manners.
She didn't make any of us feel like we were doing it "wrong", but she sure irritated the snot out of everyone and turned everyone off of CM, that is for SURE. She lost a lot of business she could have made.
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 18, 2014 14:27:21 GMT
The CM types never bothered me, but like Scrappin Nana mentioned a few local teachers did.
I'd overlap with them at crops and one in particular was obnoxious. She'd circle the room giving tips and making product suggestions- even when she wasn't working. Her real job was far from artistic, She had a high need for praise for her crafty side, or was one of those competitive people. I'd see other croppers roll their eyes after she "helped".
I didn't like being interrupted, but could tune her out. I felt sorry for others. Time scrapping should make you feel good, not inadequate.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Aug 18, 2014 15:08:54 GMT
I once showed a layout to a small lss owner who had previously shown interest in my work. She glanced at it and said something like it looked like I had too much time on my hands, something to that effect. I was surprised at her reaction, but I never showed her another layout. Wow. That was an incredibly dumb business move on her part. And a shitty thing to say, besides.
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christinec68
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Post by christinec68 on Aug 18, 2014 16:09:42 GMT
I was at a crop once and the woman behind me was surprised I didn't scrap so quickly and kind of clucked her teeth about me not having more pages done. She was a much much simpler scrapbooker so her pages came together fast. I think she had made close to double the amount of pages I did at that point in the crop. I just admired the pages she showed me, shrugged my shoulders and went back to scrapping the way I like to scrap.
It's not a race. It's not a competition. I wish all people could enjoy what they create and be happy others enjoy their own creations.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 18, 2014 16:22:30 GMT
Wrong way, no. Wrong products, definitely. When I would encounter that (which was pretty rare), I would take it with a grain of salt and let it roll off. Since I owned an LSS back in the day, part of my "job" was to be as informed as I could be about what made things "safe" or "unsafe" to use with photos, so I had at least as much (if not more) knowledge as the average CMC. I was lucky that most of the CMC's I personally knew were not the militant type.
And you can bet that when I taught the classes in my store, I did everything I could to encourage people and cheer them on. Hey, they were getting their photos into albums and getting their stories down! It wasn't my place to judge what they wanted to do with their projects. I would just share what I knew and let them feel free to do their own thing, whatever that was. LOL, I went to art school with people who glued road kill birds onto their artwork, so by then I had seen it all!
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 18, 2014 16:35:34 GMT
Christine, I attend a retreat with a stampin up demonstrator and lots of her downline. Her personal spiel is all about stamps allowing anyone to create art, and it doesn't take lots of time or money to do it. Lol about the money part, stamps can get expensive like anything else!
As we're packing she always wants to count and compare pages. The same group has cropped together for years- at this point most of us snicker and keep packing!
She's a wonderful person otherwise!
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christinec68
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Post by christinec68 on Aug 18, 2014 16:46:38 GMT
Christine, I attend a retreat with a stampin up demonstrator and lots of her downline. Her personal spiel is all about stamps allowing anyone to create art, and it doesn't take lots of time or money to do it. Lol about the money part, stamps can get expensive like anything else! As we're packing she always wants to count and compare pages. The same group has cropped together for years- at this point most of us snicker and keep packing! She's a wonderful person otherwise! Stamps don't take lots of money...LOL That's so funny, I dug in my heels for a very long time when it came to stamping because they can be so expensive. Well, I guess they wouldn't if she worked for them and had enough people in her downline to help offset the costs. But it sounds like it's all friendly with your group!! I went to one crop where a lady used the original CM tape runner where the empty paper spilled over the top. She let that pile up on the floor for the entire weekend and it could only be because she wanted everyone to see how many pages she completed. I can't think of any reason to let a chair sized pile of garbage collect on the floor.
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Post by Prenticekid on Aug 18, 2014 18:10:55 GMT
You know, I question myself from time to time. I like to learn new things and try different styles, but I mainly have two styles that I switch between. Or sometimes I am doing stuff that is soooo 1999, but I like it for the LO I'm working on and I imagine the sneers. LOL However, I've never had the experience of being made to feel that way. I've also never encountered it at the crops I go to at my LSS. All the styles seem so diverse that I can't imagine anyone at the crops even going there with other scrappers - I'm not sure who they would choose to pick on.
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Post by SunnySmile on Aug 18, 2014 18:25:40 GMT
My first "real" scrapbooking experience was at a CM party. The CMC was really irritating. I found it so strange that they would teach you that there is only one way to design a page with random triangles of paper and shape cut photos. I bought a corner rounder and that was it. I had my own ideas of what I wanted to do and never looked back. I hadn't done scrapbooks before other than a highschool memory book, but I knew I didn't like her style.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 19:20:49 GMT
I only met one CM rep IRL and she did not make me feel wrong about the way I scrapped. Since most people in my area no longer scrap anymore, it's usually along the lines of "I wish I had the time to scrap, but I'm just too busy." Thank goodness I don't have a life.
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Post by myboysnme on Aug 18, 2014 22:30:27 GMT
I have never been made to feel that way except by my own self. I know that my early years of scrapping I was doing it wrong. I was hacking up photos, using inferior supplies and not using any design sense on my pages.
I wish I had someone to teach me very early on. But as I said on another thread, I was self taught trying to mimic what I saw in CM.
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scrapnnana
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Post by scrapnnana on Aug 18, 2014 23:20:29 GMT
It's not a race. It's not a competition. I wish all people could enjoy what they create and be happy others enjoy their own creations. I completely agree!
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Post by love2scrap on Aug 18, 2014 23:52:01 GMT
I have never been called out for scrapbooking wrong but I was questioned on why and what I scrapbooked seeing as I was young, single and had no children. My husband and I have no kids and I get the question A LOT. I just say "because my life without children STILL MATTERS"
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