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Post by pierkiss on Mar 19, 2017 14:08:17 GMT
That's probably why they want to scrap the parks services and the EPA. Nobody to stop them if they can do whatever they want with federal park lands, and no EPA to stop them from infringing on the habitats of animals. ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png)
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Post by salem on Mar 19, 2017 14:11:57 GMT
That's probably why they want to scrap the parks services and the EPA. Nobody to stop them if they can do whatever they want with federal park lands, and no EPA to stop them from infringing on the habitats of animals. ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) My thoughts too. We all need to push back on this somehow.
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Post by Merge on Mar 19, 2017 14:39:42 GMT
Did everyone read the link from the resistance report? Especially this part? Roughly ten years ago, former President George W. Bush signed off on the construction of over 100 miles of border fencing on private land, which would have meant included the 1.2 acres of property in Los Ebanos . However, because the wall was on the floodplain of the Rio Grande, an existing treaty between the U.S. and Mexican governments prevented the wall from being built, as the treaty doesn’t allow for any new construction that pushes floodwaters into neighboring communities.But in 2012, that treaty was effectively overridden by lobbying from President Obama’s Department of Homeland Security, which convinced the United States half of the International Boundary and Water Commission that construction could go forward on the floodplain. While Obama emphasized surveillance over a wall, the Trump administration is more inclined toward construction of a new wall, meaning that Los Ebanos is likely going to have to accede to the federal governments’ declarations of taking.We are all, collectively, responsible. Not just the Trump voters (of which I am not one). Trump may be advocating a physical wall, but the stage for it was set by previous administrations and the Constitution itself (5th amendment.) None of us holds the moral high ground here. I don't support a physical wall in Big Bend. That just seems patently silly and unnecessary. I'd more likely support high-tech measures over physical, land-destroying options. I'm going to disagree that we are all responsible. Obama didn't sign off on a wall - he actively held it back in favor of better surveillance. DHS saying that construction could go forward on a Bush-era plan did not result in a wall being built, and Obama had 8 years to do it if that's what he wanted. Trump voters are actually responsible for this disaster, if it happens. The man campaigned on the idea of building this wall, and they cheered, and voted for him. Still, I'm hopeful that Texas will hold it off. Even our current Republican representatives are not in favor of it.
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Post by elaine on Mar 19, 2017 15:11:40 GMT
Did everyone read the link from the resistance report? Especially this part? Roughly ten years ago, former President George W. Bush signed off on the construction of over 100 miles of border fencing on private land, which would have meant included the 1.2 acres of property in Los Ebanos . However, because the wall was on the floodplain of the Rio Grande, an existing treaty between the U.S. and Mexican governments prevented the wall from being built, as the treaty doesn’t allow for any new construction that pushes floodwaters into neighboring communities.But in 2012, that treaty was effectively overridden by lobbying from President Obama’s Department of Homeland Security, which convinced the United States half of the International Boundary and Water Commission that construction could go forward on the floodplain. While Obama emphasized surveillance over a wall, the Trump administration is more inclined toward construction of a new wall, meaning that Los Ebanos is likely going to have to accede to the federal governments’ declarations of taking.We are all, collectively, responsible. Not just the Trump voters (of which I am not one). Trump may be advocating a physical wall, but the stage for it was set by previous administrations and the Constitution itself (5th amendment.) None of us holds the moral high ground here. I don't support a physical wall in Big Bend. That just seems patently silly and unnecessary. I'd more likely support high-tech measures over physical, land-destroying options. I'm going to disagree that we are all responsible. Obama didn't sign off on a wall - he actively held it back in favor of better surveillance. DHS saying that construction could go forward on a Bush-era plan did not result in a wall being built, and Obama had 8 years to do it if that's what he wanted. Trump voters are actually responsible for this disaster, if it happens. The man campaigned on the idea of building this wall, and they cheered, and voted for him. Still, I'm hopeful that Texas will hold it off. Even our current Republican representatives are not in favor of it. I agree with all of this.
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twinsmomfla99
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Mar 19, 2017 16:46:35 GMT
I can't remember which country this happened in, but does anyone recall when ISIS (I think?) took over someplace and immediately destroyed the giant statues of Buddha along with other cultural treasures? The United States does not have much of that kind of ancient cultural history to destroy. We do, however, have some spectacular natural treasures. Big Bend is one, and Trump et al cares about as much for these natural treasures as ISIS cared about ancient statues of Buddha. It was the Taliban in Afghanistan. Thanks for the correction, Elaine.
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Post by elaine on Mar 19, 2017 17:45:23 GMT
It was the Taliban in Afghanistan. Thanks for the correction, Elaine. I'm sorry if it came across as a correction! You had asked if anyone remembered it. It is hard to believe, since I remember it clearly, that it actually happened before 9/11. When most of us had little idea about the Taliban and had never heard of Al Qaeda. How our world has changed in 15 years!
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twinsmomfla99
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Mar 19, 2017 17:56:56 GMT
Thanks for the correction, Elaine. I'm sorry if it came across as a correction! You had asked if anyone remembered it. It is hard to believe, since I remember it clearly, that it actually happened before 9/11. When most of us had little idea about the Taliban and had never heard of Al Qaeda. How our world has changed in 15 years! Oh no! I'm sorry if I came across as snarky. I truly appreciate the correction. I'm never sure if I am remembering correctly, and I didn't have time to google it at the time. So yes, thank you!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 19, 2017 18:26:21 GMT
I'm going to disagree that we are all responsible. Obama didn't sign off on a wall - he actively held it back in favor of better surveillance. DHS saying that construction could go forward on a Bush-era plan did not result in a wall being built, and Obama had 8 years to do it if that's what he wanted. Trump voters are actually responsible for this disaster, if it happens. The man campaigned on the idea of building this wall, and they cheered, and voted for him. Still, I'm hopeful that Texas will hold it off. Even our current Republican representatives are not in favor of it. I agree with all of this. I too agree. It's time that the supporters realize what they voted for; sad thing is that many might not care (like someone who does not live in a border wall area having the attitude of it doesn't affect me). I see it a lot from Facebook and in my travels, that those who something doesn't immediately affect--don't give a poop. I remember being slammed for things Obama decided, being told "well you voted for him" so I think the same turnabout is fair play.
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