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Post by scrapaddict702 on Apr 18, 2017 0:15:16 GMT
I also just found out that Jen Schow has a review on her YT of the Tonic press. I'm so jealous about that. I want that thing in my hands so bad!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Apr 18, 2017 10:14:02 GMT
You could be right. We shall see. I am not a fan of the Misti lady but I think her patent was of the kind seeking to protect not a wholly original design, not something brand new from end to end but a "utility" patent to protect a "useful" process. This isn't my area of specialty and it was a while ago when I read about the Misti person's application. I hope honour prevails all round. The filing paperwork of the lawsuit repeatedly refers to the MISTI as an invention. Invention implies a unique, original product. I saw nothing in the filing paperwork or the patent application that indicated what kind of patent was sought and/or granted. I am not a lawyer. I may have overlooked something or misunderstood the legal language. Another poster pointed out that WRMK made a stamp positioner that was based on their letterpress rather than duplicating the MISTI. I did not see it demonstrated. I did see the video of the Tonic stamp positioner, and it was definitely different than the MISTI. Assuming that she patented a "useful process," would that preclude anyone else from creating a stamp positioner that accomplished the same thing, even if their product were different from hers? If so, how is it that the Accu-cut manual die cutter and the Big Shot/Big Kick from another company, both roller die cutters, can share the market? They use the same process, but Accu-cut came out with their roller cutting system years before the Big Shot/Big Kick came on the market. I agree that it is wrong to copy someone else's invention/design/artwork/literary works, etc. That is why we have patent and copyright laws. However, there seem to be certain things that most of the public do not fully understand, myself among them. I know something about derivative works and copyright law. I assume that the same holds true for patents. The MISTI seems essentially the equivalent of a derivative work. Nothing in the MISTI is that unique. She added rulers and a magnetic surface to a slightly adapted letterpress. I find it a bit mind-boggling that she could patent that, since she did not create the letterpress concept. I had an afterthought about the die cutter angle you mentioned. I am speaking off-the-cuff as I do not know whether Accucut, Sizzix et al patented their machine/s in any way. Somehow I doubt it as I think these useful gadgets are miniaturized versions of the huge roller die cutters that have been used in factories for years; the same thing may apply to the Cricut/ Cameo technology- the computer file driven "knife" in huge machinery has been used in industries since Pa fell off the bus. |
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Post by merry on Apr 18, 2017 13:01:53 GMT
scrapaddict702 thanks for referencing that Jen Schow video - the platform looks great! Really hoping it's able to defend its position and be sold. Maybe for once all the US scrappers will have to pay crazy shipping charges to get it sent from Canada. Do you think this will be sold at Michaels or Joann's?
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Post by scrapnnana on Apr 18, 2017 16:49:04 GMT
I also just found out that Jen Schow has a review on her YT of the Tonic press. I'm so jealous about that. I want that thing in my hands so bad!!!!!!!!!! Same here! Thank you for posting that video! Last night I went and watched a video comparison of the MISTI, the Hampton Arts version (which does appear to have copied the MISTI), and the WRMK version, which seems to be an adaptation of their own letterpress (which has been on the market for years, long before MISTI). That comparison video can be seen here: MISTI, Hampton Arts, and WRMK stamp platforms
I also watched the above Tonic platform review and another one. After watching the videos of the different stamp platforms, I am convinced (and sincerely hope) that if the MISTI can receive a patent despite the similarity to the WRMK Letterpress referenced in the patent application, then the Tonic Press should be able to receive its own patent, too, since it has unique characteristics of its own. I also think that WRMK should be able to receive its own patent, since it was an adaptation of its own letterpress. Hampton Arts, on the other hand, doesn't have a leg to stand on since it was a blatant copy of the MISTI. I encourage anyone interested in buying a stamp press to look at the videos showing the differences. I really hope this can be resolved quickly. I want to buy the Tonic stamp positioner! |
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Post by BSnyder on Apr 20, 2017 1:51:28 GMT
I am posting this on the stamp positioner threads because I haven't seen this bit of news anywhere ye.t This thread is my third and final stop. I just received this today for my TH stamping platform preorder from ACOT:
Hello!
Tonic, the manufacturer of the Tim Holtz Stamp Platform, has notified us of the launch of the new, improved Tim Holtz Stamping Platform Model 1707e in place of the Model 1708e as previously announced. They expect to start shipping the revised Model 1707e within the next 6 - 8 weeks. If we have further updates, we will pass it along to you.
Thanks for being so patient!
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