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Post by Olan on Apr 7, 2017 17:33:35 GMT
Olan, I get that you are pissed off at the world. Whether it's over our history of slavery, current race relations, or other issues, whatever ... all you're doing is attacking people who are trying to interact with you in a rational manner. I have a feeling I'm the one who derailed this thread, so I will apologize for that. But I'm done with trying to discuss actual history with you. Lucy you're making a lot of assumptions about me and I can't see how engaging with you will change that. Have a good weekend. |
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Post by melanell on Apr 7, 2017 17:34:19 GMT
I was confused because although you mentioned what you were referencing, I was unfamiliar with the thread and I couldn't find it to read it myself, the reference didn't help me to understand your comment any better.  Now that you have explained your point differently, I understand and completely agree. Sometimes it just takes saying something in a different way or going a little more in depth with your remark for someone to understand it more clearly. So thanks for clarifying. SaveRight. I didn't want to link my own thread  . I agree that sometimes taking the time to clarify what you mean makes all the difference. This is especially important if you want people to continue to engage in conversation with you or if you are especially confusing when you are pissed like I am. I wanted to edit my post and say I get where you defense was coming from but thought better of it. I know that is what I'm going to be met with from most peas *shrugs*. I guess as a direct result of my own defensiveness and anger. I was however confused because I was agreeing with what you said just adding my own additional thoughts. I really didn't know if you were agreeing with me, disagreeing with me, or talking about something unrelated. Like I said, I was very confused. As for being defensive, I didn't feel that way when answering, but as we've certainly shown, one's intent and/or feelings when conversing online aren't always very clear. SaveSave |
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Post by Olan on Apr 7, 2017 17:36:22 GMT
Right. I didn't want to link my own thread . I agree that sometimes taking the time to clarify what you mean makes all the difference. This is especially important if you want people to continue to engage in conversation with you or if you are especially confusing when you are pissed like I am. I wanted to edit my post and say I get where you defense was coming from but thought better of it. I know that is what I'm going to be met with from most peas *shrugs*. I guess as a direct result of my own defensiveness and anger. I was however confused because I was agreeing with what you said just adding my own additional thoughts. I really didn't know if you were agreeing with me, disagreeing with me, or talking about something unrelated. Like I said, I was very confused. As for being defensive, I didn't feel that way when answering, but as we've certainly shown, one's intent and/or feelings when conversing online aren't always very clear. SaveSaveRight. |
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Post by pierogi on Apr 7, 2017 18:14:43 GMT
 Sorry, I missed whatever you're referencing here and I tried to skim through this thread but just didn't spot it. Was it in this thread or another one? (My vision is crap, so I may have missed it trying to skim the thread posts here.) SaveSometime last week I posted a thread asking the peas if reparations or a government issued apology was the course of action needed to right the wrongs of slavery and the consistent mistreatment of black bodies. The consensus was no apology but for a host of reasons. Responses varied from "where would the apologies end" to "we apologize by raising more tolerant children". Overall everyone thought black people should just move on and stand up for the pledge! *shrugs* I can't speak for anyone else here, but I was in that thread and that wasn't my response. At all. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 7, 2017 18:27:50 GMT
Sometime last week I posted a thread asking the peas if reparations or a government issued apology was the course of action needed to right the wrongs of slavery and the consistent mistreatment of black bodies. The consensus was no apology but for a host of reasons. Responses varied from "where would the apologies end" to "we apologize by raising more tolerant children". Overall everyone thought black people should just move on and stand up for the pledge! *shrugs* I can't speak for anyone else here, but I was in that thread and that wasn't my response. At all. I used the term consensus and overall. The thread is there for all to see. If you were the only one to respond...forget it. I'll post the thread I was referencing and continue to post my thoughts along with fact based articles. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 7, 2017 18:28:37 GMT
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Post by pierogi on Apr 7, 2017 18:45:00 GMT
I went back and read it. I agree that some of the responses were incredibly dismissive. Alarmingly so, given the depth of suffering and systemic abuse of black people throughout our history. I'm really sorry. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 7, 2017 19:17:10 GMT
I went back and read it. I agree that some of the responses were incredibly dismissive. Alarmingly so, given the depth of suffering and systemic abuse of black people throughout our history. I'm really sorry.attacking people who are trying to interact with you in a rational manner. I think they all were. And the folks who responded empathically well.... Meanwhile Lucy accuses me of "attacking" people who want rational discussions. The disconnect is unreal. The push to silence me and label me an angry black woman is something I should expect from women who argue the merits of joining DAR but want to disconnect from anything else. You mentioned a scholarship fund Georgetown is considering to honor the 272 slaves that were sold to save the University but I couldn't find any information about that. They are holding an Emancipation Day event this year. Georgetown University |
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Post by pierogi on Apr 7, 2017 20:31:33 GMT
The Georgetown scholarship is still in the development stage. I do have faith they will come through with this; the Jesuits there now are pretty focused on social justice, and thankfully the students and alumni have also been vocal about the need for transparency about the university's past. This is personal to me as I went there for undergrad. I was shocked when the news broke, although I shouldn't have been. Slavery's tentacles seem to reach everywhere.  |
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Post by Olan on Apr 9, 2017 18:41:48 GMT
The Georgetown scholarship is still in the development stage. I do have faith they will come through with this; the Jesuits there now are pretty focused on social justice, and thankfully the students and alumni have also been vocal about the need for transparency about the university's past. This is personal to me as I went there for undergrad. I was shocked when the news broke, although I shouldn't have been. Slavery's tentacles seem to reach everywhere. They do. I think what I find most troubling is even if you want to disconnect from the horrible things that happened to black people in Americas past, you are living and in control of all your facilities during a time not unlike the Civil Rights Movement. Your turned eye makes you complicit. The women who responded in that thread, and I'll even reach as far as the women who liked and or defended the statements, those women and their children may be lost causes but some of you are "woke" and still not doing your part. |
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Post by katybee on Apr 9, 2017 19:47:10 GMT
I am eligible. I have ancestors that came over from England in 1647 and ones that fought in the Revolutionary war. I am very proud of that. But I am equally proud of my German grandmother who was a war bride. And also--my 2x great-grandmother on my father's side who was full-blooded Sak Indian... I am truly a mix of so many cultures and ethnicities and do not see why I should get any "benefits" from something that, in all fairness, has nothing to do with my own merits.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 9, 2017 20:36:24 GMT
My father's family were around at that time, but I have no idea whether they fought. Meh, I'm not much of a joiner anyhow.
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Post by Olan on May 8, 2017 13:51:16 GMT
I can't speak for anyone else here, but I was in that thread and that wasn't my response. At all. I used the term consensus and overall. The thread is there for all to see. If you were the only one to respond...forget it. I'll post the thread I was referencing and continue to post my thoughts along with fact based articles. Here it is again. Click the blue to see the thread we were talking about. Allyship. |
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. I agree that sometimes taking the time to clarify what you mean makes all the difference. This is especially important if you want people to continue to engage in conversation with you or if you are especially confusing when you are pissed like I am. I wanted to edit my post and say I get where you defense was coming from but thought better of it. I know that is what I'm going to be met with from most peas *shrugs*. I guess as a direct result of my own defensiveness and anger. I was however confused because I was agreeing with what you said just adding my own additional thoughts.
Sorry, I missed whatever you're referencing here and I tried to skim through this thread but just didn't spot it. Was it in this thread or another one? (My vision is crap, so I may have missed it trying to skim the thread posts here.)
