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Post by Really Red on Mar 29, 2017 0:31:56 GMT
I read this article about white women appropriating women of color's culture by wearing hoop earrings, among several other things. Here is a quote from the article: The art was created by myself and a few other WOC [women of color] after being tired and annoyed with the reoccurring theme of white women appropriating styles...that belong to the black and brown folks who created the culture. I am really interested in what WOC have to say. As a white woman, it wouldn't have occurred to me that hoop earrings were specifically tied to WOC; however, it's always easy to make statements when you are not directly affected. To me, I think the more we meld together, the better off we are and I just HATE that women are hating on other women. We have to support each other. Thoughts?
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Post by annabella on Mar 29, 2017 0:39:43 GMT
I do think of hoop earrings as something originated with Latinas or Black women. Although looking at the pictures in the article, it reminded me that it was also in style back when I was in middle school so everyone was doing it then. I think it's silly today to tell someone not to wear them. In fact I think they are so out of style.
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Post by peano on Mar 29, 2017 1:14:04 GMT
I do think of hoop earrings as something originated with Latinas or Black women. Although looking at the pictures in the article, it reminded me that it was also in style back when I was in middle school so everyone was doing it then. I think it's silly today to tell someone not to wear them. In fact I think they are so out of style.IMO, hoops are a classic. They don't go out of style. |
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Post by myshelly on Mar 29, 2017 1:23:25 GMT
This is just ridiculous and makes the girls arguing it look ignorant.
I went to a History of Jewelry exhibit at an art museum recently.
There were hoop earring from Ancient Rome. There were hoop earring from Ancient Greece. There were hoop earrings from Viking culture and hoop earrings from Asian countries.
You can't take a piece of jewelry worn in almost every society (earrings) and inspired by a basic geometric shape found in nature (a circle) and say that one culture invented it or owns it.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 29, 2017 1:29:34 GMT
I'm white and I may be ignorant, but what the hell?
First, I wore all different sizes of hoops back in the 80s and 90s, before MTV introduced me to hip hop (I don't wear earrings much now).
My other question is this something that white women could complain about? Others wearing a specific item and calling it cultural (the scrunchy perhaps??? Or just the ponytail?)
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Post by destined2bmom on Mar 29, 2017 1:31:08 GMT
I also read that article. I own hoop earrings, but haven't worn them in years. But, I never thought of it as an ethnic statement, I thought of it as a fashion statement. I wonder what the fashionistas and designers would say about it.
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Post by Zee on Mar 29, 2017 1:34:51 GMT
Hoop earrings have been found throughout history in many diverse cultures, including European ones. I call BS on this. Maybe the Puritans didn't wear hoops and this article is pigeonholing all white women as WASPs, IDK. But this is really reaching.
When I think of hoops I often think of Romany gypsies, who are most definitely Caucasian. Maybe not the type of "white" the article is naming. Broad brush.
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 29, 2017 1:48:23 GMT
We're fighting about who gets to wear specific types of earrings now? Ok then.
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Post by GiantsFan on Mar 29, 2017 1:51:57 GMT
I've worn hoop earrings practically everyday for the past 30+ years. I have never given a thought that since I'm a white girl I'm not supposed to wear them. Who even comes up with this stuff. I wear what I feel comfortable in, clothes or jewlery. Even if they are "so out of style"  |
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Post by Zee on Mar 29, 2017 1:59:04 GMT
I've worn hoop earrings practically everyday for the past 30+ years. I have never given a thought that since I'm a white girl I'm not supposed to wear them. Who even comes up with this stuff. I wear what I feel comfortable in, clothes or jewlery. Even if they are "so out of style" Lol you gotta love her. |
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Post by grammanisi on Mar 29, 2017 2:17:38 GMT
When I think of hoops I often think of Romany gypsies, who are most definitely Caucasian My first thought was Romany gypsies, too. |
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Post by georgiapea on Mar 29, 2017 2:34:43 GMT
My first pair of earrings, in 1953 were hoops. I wore them every day during high school. Never had another pair until I was an adult. I may self identify with my marginal Native American heritage but i look totally white.
The challenge by those college girls is just absurd and makes them look uneducated. Just a ploy to get noticed. Kind of attention whorish.
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Post by zookeeper on Mar 29, 2017 2:57:18 GMT
If someone is looking to be offended by something...they are probably going to find something to be offended by.
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Post by AussieMeg on Mar 29, 2017 3:09:02 GMT
I wore hoop earrings in Australia back in the 80s before I'd ever heard of "cultural appropriation".
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Post by milocat on Mar 29, 2017 3:16:23 GMT
I've worn hoop earrings practically everyday for the past 30+ years. I have never given a thought that since I'm a white girl I'm not supposed to wear them. Who even comes up with this stuff. I wear what I feel comfortable in, clothes or jewlery. Even if they are "so out of style" I'm also white. I can remember my mom wearing hoops before I was old enough to wear big earrings, in the 80s. Then ever since I was allowed to wear bigger earrings I've worn hoops. I think they're classic if they are skinny and small or medium. The chunkier and super large ones have come in and out of style. From the article "While hoop earrings date back to ancient times, they have also been staples among Cholas and hip hop artists who popularized large hoops and doorknocker earrings before they were featured in fashion shows like the Marc Jacobs Fall 2017 collection." So they think that white people just started wearing hoops in 2017? |
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Post by pondrunner on Mar 29, 2017 3:17:25 GMT
One of the things that has always happened when cultures have been in contact with each other is the exchange of fashion traditions and other cultural factors, I think that sometimes cultural appropriation is far worse than that and usually not nearly as benign, But for the most part I don't know that I find this argument compelling. Earrings are a universal fashion item, you can see hoops in many ancient cultures and modern. Making a hoop is a basic process of mechanics so numerous cultures use it.
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Post by georgiapea on Mar 29, 2017 3:28:10 GMT
Now what if someone told a black women she should only wear clothing with African tribal patterns? How absurd and inappropriate would that be? People of all cultures and backgrounds get to dress as they please.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Mar 29, 2017 3:42:44 GMT
I've been waiting for this to show up. I'd like to see the list of clothing/jewelry/hairstyles/makeup divvied up between appropriate cultures.
These ladies do themselves no favors with stupid shit like this.
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Post by msliz on Mar 29, 2017 3:50:17 GMT
When I think of hoops I often think of Romany gypsies, who are most definitely Caucasian My first thought was Romany gypsies, too. Related? My first thought was Cher singing Gypsies, Tramps, and Thieves. |
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Post by kernriver on Mar 29, 2017 3:59:21 GMT
Yes, THAT'S the big problem in the world. White girls wearing hoop earrings.
I actually felt shame when I read this. What the fuck are people thinking? Are white people allowed to " straight shame" women of color who straighten their hair?
I would lose my shit if I was paying 50k per year for my kid to wallow in this type of bullshit.
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Post by zella on Mar 29, 2017 4:49:22 GMT
This is just ridiculous and makes the girls arguing it look ignorant. I went to a History of Jewelry exhibit at an art museum recently. There were hoop earring from Ancient Rome. There were hoop earring from Angient Greece. There were hoop earrings from Viking culture and hoop earrings from Asian countries. You can't take a piece of jewelry worn in almost every society (earrings) and inspired by a basic geometric shape found in nature (a circle) and say that one culture invented it or owns it. This. It is an utterly ridiculous argument that has no merit. |
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Mar 29, 2017 8:28:42 GMT
I'm white and I may be ignorant, but what the hell? First, I wore all different sizes of hoops back in the 80s and 90s, before MTV introduced me to hip hop (I don't wear earrings much now). My other question is this something that white women could complain about? Others wearing a specific item and calling it cultural (the scrunchy perhaps??? Or just the ponytail?) Require all WOC to bin their GHDs (or similar) ?  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 8:50:24 GMT
 These women are making themselves look silly, they need some history lessons. Hooped earrings have been, in some form or another, around since at least the Roman times and probably earlier.
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Post by wellway on Mar 29, 2017 8:58:37 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EarringIn the link there is a picture of a Fresco depicting an elegantly dressed woman with hoop earrings from Akrotiri, Thera (Cyclades) Greece, ca. 1650-1625 BCE. And another painting of William Shakespeare sporting earrings.
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Post by fkawitchypea on Mar 29, 2017 9:00:51 GMT
I thought this was a joke article when I first read it. Like others have mentioned, I have been wearing hoop earrings for decades. Certainly long before hip hop became culturally relevant. I wonder whether they are referring to small hoop earrings like the ones I wear or theseBecause the black and latina women can have those. |
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Post by Really Red on Mar 29, 2017 11:51:40 GMT
But we're all white women responding, or no one has said they were a woman of color. Maybe it's easy for us to say all this? I honestly do not know. My first thought is that it's taking things too far, and women should be on the same side, but I am interested in hearing a pro point of view.
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Post by mallie on Mar 29, 2017 13:27:44 GMT
I am multi racial. So I guess I am "entitled" to wear anything I want without fear of offending people who know nothing about history and priorities. Because that fear was going to keep me awake at night.
Not.
Honestly, with everything women of color should worry about in 2017? White women wearing hoop earrings -- as they have done for millennia in many cultures and places --- is not one of them.
To me, it is the typical arrogance and ignorance of youth.
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Post by anonrefugee on Mar 29, 2017 13:42:01 GMT
Polo shirts should be limited only to white middle-aged golfer?
I don't really know where they originated, but gee whiz.
Hoops are one of the first things made when learning to work in metal, in my experience. Plus, there's a big difference between assimilation / appreciation of cultures and appropriation.
I know times have changed, I used to buy clothing when traveling when I was younger and fit a piece into an outfit here and there. Now all those lovely fabrics are gathering dust. It's a shame because there's also a difference between wearing something out of respect and ridicule.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 29, 2017 14:11:06 GMT
First it needs to be determined - Are we talking all 'hoop' like earrings? Even the small tiny hoops? Or just larger ones?
I guess my opinion won't count being pale skinned and all but to ME
Tiny hoop earrings? Idont think of any particular group
Medium Hoop earrings = gypsies-Romany ( of which I may or may not have an ancestor I'd have to do DNA testing to verify )
Medium Hoop earrings = pirates ( but that's probably an incorrect stereotype perpetuated by Halloween costume companies )
LARGE Hoop earrings = late 70's early 80's large enough to be bracelets
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Post by compwalla on Mar 29, 2017 14:22:27 GMT
I think that message on the "free speech wall" was created by young people who, while admirably fired up about things, do not yet fully understand what was and wasn't historically created by members of their culture. No, I don't think cultural appropriation is ok but in this case, they are reaching for something that isn't there. The history of the hoop earring goes back farther than they're looking and that is a mistake of youth and inexperience.
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These women are making themselves look silly, they need some history lessons. Hooped earrings have been, in some form or another, around since at least the Roman times and probably earlier.
