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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 15:45:34 GMT
www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/04/13/trump-thought-china-could-get-n-korea-to-comply-its-not-that-easy/"But in a recent interview, Trump acknowledged that the issue is, well, complicated. In a conversation with the Wall Street Journal, the president said that he came into his first meeting with Xi convinced that China could curtail North Korea’s nuclear threat. Xi had to explain Chinese-Korean history to Trump, who then realized something important: “After listening for 10 minutes, I realized it’s not so easy,” he told the Journal. “I felt pretty strongly that they had a tremendous power [over] North Korea. … But it’s not what you would think.”" Really, Donald? Not what I would think? No, you're wrong. It's EXACTLY what I would think - that huge multinational regional disputes w/decades-to-centuries of conflict and history are complicated in the extreme! I never, for one single second, thought that you and your "art of the deal" thinking were going to go into a situation like that and "win it".
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Post by PLurker on Apr 13, 2017 15:57:53 GMT
He can also contradict himself over and over and still be the correct on all counts, according to him. No one else can, only him, because he is him and he says so.
The North Korea thing was not deemed complicated until he came up against it. Until then it was a simple thing that someone before him should have/ could have fixed. Now it has changed- it is complicated. Because he said so.
OMG he is insufferable.
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Post by lisae on Apr 13, 2017 16:00:57 GMT
He's so clueless. However, if he could really seem himself clearly, he could see that he has so many traits that Kim Jong-un exhibits. He really ought to be able to understand the leader of North Korea as well as anyone.
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Post by elaine on Apr 13, 2017 16:46:56 GMT
He should have a bevy of t-shirts made - "Who knew ______ was so complicated?" And then just fill-in the blank each time with a sharpie. Wear to his next press appearance.
It would spare us all having to hear him say it again and again.
I can't wait for the tally of the number of times he says this during his first year, or until he is impeached, whichever comes first.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 16:52:25 GMT
What gets to me is that he thinks he's the only one that knows anything and whatever it is has only just come to light. Not just about NK but everything he talks about. He tries to qualify his lack of knowledge with phrases like ......... "I tell you how it is"....."you don't know this but this and this happens"........."I'm telling you, it doesn't work that way"........"I just found out and I'll tell you"....."It's more difficult than you know" ......and on and on it goes.
He thinks and obviously believes that everyone else has no knowledge of anything and he is this great knight in shining armour who is going to enlighten the world on what is going on as if he's the only one that knows all these things
. He needs to shut up as he's making himself look more uneducated than he really is. The rest of us are fed up of saying to ourselves......really? you didn't know about that until now?
I'd love to get into the mind of other world leaders and see what they think when he speaks to them in this manner. It's like teaching your Grandmother how to suck eggs.
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Post by imsirius on Apr 13, 2017 16:52:27 GMT
How can people not see how freaking stupid he is when it comes to running the country?
He thought he'd waltz in and run it like a business and delegate jobs and not have to give a shit. He thought he would bark orders and it would be so.
Don't know who is more idiotic really, him or the people who thought he'd do something great.
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Post by flute4peace on Apr 13, 2017 16:55:00 GMT
He's so clueless. However, if he could really seem himself clearly, he could see that he has so many traits that Kim Jong-un exhibits. He really ought to be able to understand the leader of North Korea as well as anyone. Except that a narcissistic personality would never be able to see it like the rest of us.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 16:56:07 GMT
How can people not see how freaking stupid he is when it comes to running the country? He thought he'd waltz in and run it like a business and delegate jobs and not have to give a shit. He thought he would bark orders and it would be so. Don't know who is more idiotic really, him or the people who thought he'd do something great.I have a pretty good guess, but I'll keep it to myself. Something Donald needs to learn to do more.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 13, 2017 16:58:45 GMT
what baffles me is that he will contradict himself in the same sentence, even. That Fox interview, he said something like 'tax reform is easy... but it's tough.' SO WHICH IS IT?!?!?
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Post by ilikepink on Apr 13, 2017 17:07:30 GMT
Wait...you mean he walked into a room with an idea of what he was going to make happen and discovered it wasn't going to go the way he wanted? You'd think someone who knows the 'art of the deal' and has companies/properties all over the world would know how to actually diplomatically negotiate.
Oh yea....he's used to bullying and paying his way to things. Doesn't actually know how the world works.
I'm guessing America isn't great again yet? (and just to clarify, I think America has always been great)
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Post by gar on Apr 13, 2017 17:12:45 GMT
That much overused phrase "No shit, Sherlock" springs to mind.
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Post by compwalla on Apr 13, 2017 17:28:03 GMT
He is the epitome of an armchair quarterback. He's spent the past fifteen years tweeting and bloviating about how much better he'd do things, about how terrible the decision makers in power were, and over and over suggesting the solution to complex international and domestic issues is "just do XYZ."
Now that he's got the job he realizes it's not simply a matter of waving a wand and making shit happen. You can't fix long-standing incredibly complex problems with magic wand solutions no matter how much he - and a huge portion of his supporters - wish it was so.
He's a complete fraud, a liar, an intellectually and emotionally stunted moron, and he is literally the worst thing that's ever happened to the United States since the Civil War.
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Post by ntsf on Apr 13, 2017 18:17:22 GMT
and why did it take a chinese leader to explain this to him? could it be he does not listen to his own intelligence agency people?? I mean.. china is not exactly our friend.
what a f...idiot.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 13, 2017 18:21:43 GMT
^^^ yes, but he's a businessman, not a politician-- so he doesn't know things about world politics, or history. He's new at this; let him learn, already! <sarcasm>
'maybe that's what we need right now; an outsider, someone totally different.' (said in all seriousness by a Trump supporter friend a few days ago.)
uh- no. that's not what we need.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 18:22:56 GMT
It's not just trump who didn't understand things are "not so easy" but the folks who voted for trump don't understand it either.
A lot of these folks voted for trump because they wanted him to shake things up.
But what one wants and the reality can more often then not be two seperate things.
There is no real training for the job as president and I believe when the candidate becomes president he or she is in for a rude awakening. But at least if they have some government background they may have an inkling of what is waiting for them. There is a reason the office ages the person.
So when voters believe a non politician can shake up Washington they are also in for a rude awakening when it doesn't happen.
And in this case the voters who wanted change were blinded by the "trump" brand and believed that he was a successful businessman and could bring that same success to D.C. and shake it up. But when you actually look at his record he isn't that successful as a businessman. So they didn't chose the brightest bulb on the block. Just someone who knows how to sell a "brand".
A segment of trump voters had voted for President Obama and were disappointed that he did not enact the change he promised. They blamed him for it without looking at the reasons he could not accomplish what he had promised. So now they are pinning their hopes on trump. I suspect they will be disappointed yet once again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 19:20:01 GMT
and why did it take a chinese leader to explain this to him? could it be he does not listen to his own intelligence agency people?? I mean.. china is not exactly our friend. what a f...idiot. Reminds me of Obama and all the times (a dozen or so) he said "I learned about it on the news, the same time the public learned about it." Guess he didn't read his intelligence briefings or listen to his own intelligence people either. And no, no that doesn't excuse Trump, just noting they're both f...idiots in that regard. Maybe we should have gotten Obama his own bevy of t-shirts. Like Elaine suggested to spare us from hearing it over and over again.
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Post by imsirius on Apr 13, 2017 19:52:49 GMT
and why did it take a chinese leader to explain this to him? could it be he does not listen to his own intelligence agency people?? I mean.. china is not exactly our friend. what a f...idiot. Reminds me of Obama and all the times (a dozen or so) he said "I learned about it on the news, the same time the public learned about it." Guess he didn't read his intelligence briefings or listen to his own intelligence people either. And no, no that doesn't excuse Trump, just noting they're both f...idiots in that regard. Maybe we should have gotten Obama his own bevy of t-shirts. Like Elaine suggested to spare us from hearing it over and over again. You just can't help yourself can you? It ALWAYS gets turned back to Obama with you. But, guess what, HE ISN'T PRESIDENT ANYMORE!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 19:55:43 GMT
Reminds me of Obama and all the times (a dozen or so) he said "I learned about it on the news, the same time the public learned about it." Guess he didn't read his intelligence briefings or listen to his own intelligence people either. And no, no that doesn't excuse Trump, just noting they're both f...idiots in that regard. Maybe we should have gotten Obama his own bevy of t-shirts. Like Elaine suggested to spare us from hearing it over and over again. You just can't help yourself can you? It ALWAYS gets turned back to Obama with you. But, guess what, HE ISN'T PRESIDENT ANYMORE! Not only is he not President, but the 'It's just like" or "Reminds me of" show just how difficult reason can be for some.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 20:05:50 GMT
Reminds me of Obama and all the times (a dozen or so) he said "I learned about it on the news, the same time the public learned about it." Guess he didn't read his intelligence briefings or listen to his own intelligence people either. And no, no that doesn't excuse Trump, just noting they're both f...idiots in that regard. Maybe we should have gotten Obama his own bevy of t-shirts. Like Elaine suggested to spare us from hearing it over and over again. You just can't help yourself can you? It ALWAYS gets turned back to Obama with you. But, guess what, HE ISN'T PRESIDENT ANYMORE! It doesn't matter if he's not the president. He was the president very recently, for 8 years and all of the things people keep bringing up Obama/Hillary usually have a similar incident that it reminds me of. I can comment on that just as anyone can comment on what they want to. Don't like it, scroll.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 20:11:30 GMT
You just can't help yourself can you? It ALWAYS gets turned back to Obama with you. But, guess what, HE ISN'T PRESIDENT ANYMORE! Not only is he not President, but the 'It's just like" or "Reminds me of" show just how difficult reason can be for some. I can certainly reason out that it's very painful for you to hear that Hillary/Obama often do/say comparable things to Trump and diminishing anyone who brings them up is your way of dealing with it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 20:58:38 GMT
Not only is he not President, but the 'It's just like" or "Reminds me of" show just how difficult reason can be for some. I can certainly reason out that it's very painful for you to hear that Hillary/Obama often do/say comparable things to Trump and diminishing anyone who brings them up is your way of dealing with it. The only thing you are doing is trying to do is suggest that somehow his behavior is normal because so and so did something similar. Now you may have been able to make one of your valid points if these lapses and missteps were a rarity. But in trump's case it's just one right after another. There is no let up from the missteps trump is doing, they just keep coming. trump is no longer the businessman who can declare bankruptcy for a do over. These missteps that he keeps making affect the lives of the American people and to some degree the people in the rest of the world. There are very few do overs for the President of the United States. There has to be a trust factor that he or she is going to get it right. That trust is not there with trump because of his actions day after day. More and more people are becoming concerned and some on this board start these threads to talk about his actions because of the uncertain future his actions cause. There is a sense of unease because you can't trust him. And then you come along with your "but so and so did this or that." It adds nothing to the conversation and looks like you don't get it or you don't care because you want to keep slamming President Obama and/or Hillary. In either case a real disconnect.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 21:47:12 GMT
I can certainly reason out that it's very painful for you to hear that Hillary/Obama often do/say comparable things to Trump and diminishing anyone who brings them up is your way of dealing with it. The only thing you are doing is trying to do is suggest that somehow his behavior is normal because so and so did something similar. Now you may have been able to make one of your valid points if these lapses and missteps were a rarity. But in trump's case it's just one right after another. There is no let up from the missteps trump is doing, they just keep coming. trump is no longer the businessman who can declare bankruptcy for a do over. These missteps that he keeps making affect the lives of the American people and to some degree the people in the rest of the world. There are very few do overs for the President of the United States. There has to be a trust factor that he or she is going to get it right. That trust is not there with trump because of his actions day after day. More and more people are becoming concerned and some on this board start these threads to talk about his actions because of the uncertain future his actions cause. There is a sense of unease because you can't trust him. And then you come along with your "but so and so did this or that." It adds nothing to the conversation and looks like you don't get it or you don't care because you want to keep slamming President Obama and/or Hillary. In either case a real disconnect. No. Again, you'd have to ignore everything else I ever say in order to reach that conclusion. I agree with everything you'e said after that until you get to your last paragraph which is just a restatement of your first. One in which my words show is simply not true.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 13, 2017 22:08:14 GMT
huh?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 0:05:48 GMT
Not only is he not President, but the 'It's just like" or "Reminds me of" show just how difficult reason can be for some. I can certainly reason out that it's very painful for you to hear that Hillary/Obama often do/say comparable things to Trump and diminishing anyone who brings them up is your way of dealing with it. Except they are in no way "comparable". And you saying they are, in no way equates them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 0:19:03 GMT
The only thing you are doing is trying to do is suggest that somehow his behavior is normal because so and so did something similar. Now you may have been able to make one of your valid points if these lapses and missteps were a rarity. But in trump's case it's just one right after another. There is no let up from the missteps trump is doing, they just keep coming. trump is no longer the businessman who can declare bankruptcy for a do over. These missteps that he keeps making affect the lives of the American people and to some degree the people in the rest of the world. There are very few do overs for the President of the United States. There has to be a trust factor that he or she is going to get it right. That trust is not there with trump because of his actions day after day. More and more people are becoming concerned and some on this board start these threads to talk about his actions because of the uncertain future his actions cause. There is a sense of unease because you can't trust him. And then you come along with your "but so and so did this or that." It adds nothing to the conversation and looks like you don't get it or you don't care because you want to keep slamming President Obama and/or Hillary. In either case a real disconnect. No. Again, you'd have to ignore everything else I ever say in order to reach that conclusion. I agree with everything you'e said after that until you get to your last paragraph which is just a restatement of your first. One in which my words show is simply not true. What she said above.
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Post by DEX on Apr 14, 2017 0:25:04 GMT
 Back to the topic...I just cringe every time he says, "and I am a very smart guy" (pertaining to whatever the topic at hand is) Ah, no. No you are not.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 14, 2017 0:57:32 GMT
and why did it take a chinese leader to explain this to him? could it be he does not listen to his own intelligence agency people?? I mean.. china is not exactly our friend. what a f...idiot. Reminds me of Obama and all the times (a dozen or so) he said "I learned about it on the news, the same time the public learned about it." Guess he didn't read his intelligence briefings or listen to his own intelligence people either. And no, no that doesn't excuse Trump, just noting they're both f...idiots in that regard. Maybe we should have gotten Obama his own bevy of t-shirts. Like Elaine suggested to spare us from hearing it over and over again. You are just plain insufferable. Of course, it reminds you if Obama. Everything does.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 1:29:20 GMT
I can certainly reason out that it's very painful for you to hear that Hillary/Obama often do/say comparable things to Trump and diminishing anyone who brings them up is your way of dealing with it. Except they are in no way "comparable". And you saying they are, in no way equates them. 2 Presidents showing their clueless moments. One repeatedly says "Who knew ______ was so complicated." The other repeatedly says, "I didn't know about ______, I only found out in the news the same time as the general public." Sounds comparable to me. Just because Trump is more of a buffoon and more often clueless (among many other things) doesn't make these clueless moments any less comparable.
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Post by redhead32 on Apr 14, 2017 1:35:38 GMT
Except they are in no way "comparable". And you saying they are, in no way equates them. 2 Presidents showing their clueless moments. One repeatedly says "Who knew ______ was so complicated." The other repeatedly says, "I didn't know about ______, I only found out in the news the same time as the general public." Sounds comparable to me. Just because Trump is more of a buffoon and more often clueless (among many other things) doesn't make these clueless moments any less comparable. Fine. So you compared. What do you think about Trump's comments? Not Obama's. Trump's. Is it possible for you to evaluate Trump's actions without uttering Obama or Clinton's names?
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Post by elaine on Apr 14, 2017 1:41:46 GMT
2 Presidents showing their clueless moments. One repeatedly says "Who knew ______ was so complicated." The other repeatedly says, "I didn't know about ______, I only found out in the news the same time as the general public." Sounds comparable to me. Just because Trump is more of a buffoon and more often clueless (among many other things) doesn't make these clueless moments any less comparable. Fine. So you compared. What do you think about Trump's comments? Not Obama's. Trump's. Is it possible for you to evaluate Trump's actions without uttering Obama or Clinton's names? No. Because it would prevent the whole "I'm so victimized simply for my political views" spiel, without recognizing that the issue with her is now continuing to bring up things that have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION. Much more psychologically comforting to just cry "victim!"
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