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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 15:59:29 GMT
I had to take hydros for about 4 months prior to back surgery and I had to have a hard copy every time. I think that may have something to do with state regs here. Its part of the drug task force.
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Post by mellyw on Aug 22, 2014 16:10:30 GMT
It's $230 for a medicine refill office appointment for me. $230 each month until I meet my out of pocket expense. ![:thumbdown:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/SCylSBljj3e3QKjxF2vn.jpg) They will not allow you to just pick up Rx refills. And every 6 months I have to have a mini chemical dependency eval, a blood test to show that the medication is in my system and a drug test to show that I'm not using any other illegal drugs. I've been on the same dose for 14 years. wenchie, can you tell me, what happens if you have 6 months of refills on file with the pharmacy currently? Are they voided out after 45 days? Wow, Shevy, you are making me extremely grateful for my current Doctor. And I'm so sorry that the Office visits cost you that much. I see my Doctor before my next refill, so I'll ask what the new plan is. My prescription has always been month to month, but all I did was call in for a refill & it was sent to the Pharmacy. I'll admit I really hope this doesn't mean more Doc. visits for me. I have multiple medical conditions, but go to the Doc. the least I can. My Primary & Rheumy know this about me, that if they are seeing me outside of regular well check-up's, I'm losing a limb or my brain is falling out. I'm like the worlds biggest baby when I have to go to the Doc., I just hate it.
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Post by jonda1974 on Aug 22, 2014 16:23:34 GMT
In my opinion we would need to take a completely different approach to drug use. The war on drugs has had no effect in stemming drug use and addiction. So why do we keep fighting it? One, as I've said many times. It's their body. If they want to destroy it with chemicals. It's their body, their choice. Not our issue. We criminalize the resultant behaviors as we do with drunk driving, but if a person wants to shoot up heroin, they are going to do so, and while I find it deeply saddening, it is their choice.
I personally would prefer as I've said many times that we adopt the Portuguese model of fighting drug dependency. They decriminalized all drugs. That doesn't mean they legalized them, but you no longer go to jail for drug possession. Think about how much our court system and jail system would save on that alone. Instead, anyone caught with drugs is given the opportunity to seek treatment free of charge. They can also choose to keep doing drugs, but Portugal has seen a dramatic decrease in drug use as a result of this approach, and a dramatic decrease in their prison population. Our war on drugs has done nothing to help the country. In fact I blame the current approach for the violent gang and drug cartel issues that we have. I wish we would learn our lesson from prohibition.
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Post by loco coco on Aug 22, 2014 16:27:55 GMT
my doctor drug tested me for the first time at my last appointment, I was kind of shocked but she said its required now for everything. Every 2 months I will be drug tested and required to pay my dr copay AND test co pay now ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png)
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Post by kkrenn on Aug 22, 2014 16:44:30 GMT
My pain doc usually writes my hydro with one refill but I have to have hard scripts for my fentanyl patches anyway so it won't make a difference for me. I am going for a pain pump trial so hopefully it will eliminate these hassles.
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Post by pastlifepea on Aug 22, 2014 17:55:13 GMT
I am so sorry for those of you who will have to face additional aggravation and expense because of this. My daughter is prescribed a schedule 2 drug here in California. When we were in Florida, her doctor would write her one rx for 90 pills to last 3 months, when it was required for them to see her again. Here in California, her doctor will write us 3 scripts on a visit each for 30 days. The ones for the future have a notation to not fill until xxx date. The co-pay is less to get a 90 day supply vs 3 30s, but at least we don't have to do an office visit every month.
Abuse of these things is absolutely the reason they have to do this, unfortunately. Our last visit in Florida, the doctor accidentally pulled two sheets of her rx pad when giving me ours so I got home and realized I had a blank one. I wasn't sure whether they are required to account for each sheet so I returned it to the office and they seemed very grateful.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 22, 2014 18:34:34 GMT
I just got a prescription for this yesterday and was told they needed a hard copy for it. I didn't think much of it. Of course this won't be an ongoing problem so I won't be getting refills. I was surprised that they didn't ask me to confirm my address or show my id. They always have always done that for anything in the past.
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Post by originalvanillabean on Aug 22, 2014 19:16:01 GMT
I read the article yesterday and I support the change. More hassle for folks - yes. But I personally know two people who abuse it and believe it to a be a widespread problem. Sucks for the non-abusers, but bad apples always spoil it for the good ones. This is no different and the DEA should have made this call a while ago.
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Post by traceys on Aug 23, 2014 3:14:24 GMT
Yeah, because we shouldn't try to address the real problem. We can just pretend we're doing something meaningful and pat ourselves on the back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 6:31:52 GMT
It's already been this way here in FL for a while. Same with Fioricet (butal-caff-codeine-acet). I have to struggle to get a stupid Rx each month, make sure it's in on time and filled. God forbid it falls on a weekend when the pharmacy is closed and my doctor's office is closed! I have to be proactive and follow up each and every month to make sure I get it on time. It's a PITA. Figures this all goes into effect when I finally need heavy-duty Rx's. Gone are the days when doctors would write Rx's for anyone with "back pain" and give them percocet or vicodin. I have a valid reason to be on HEAVY DUTY pain relievers and it's a lot of work to get any kind of Rx for me here. Ugh!
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Post by eversograceful1 on Aug 24, 2014 12:23:00 GMT
In my opinion we would need to take a completely different approach to drug use. The war on drugs has had no effect in stemming drug use and addiction. So why do we keep fighting it? One, as I've said many times. It's their body. If they want to destroy it with chemicals. It's their body, their choice. Not our issue. We criminalize the resultant behaviors as we do with drunk driving, but if a person wants to shoot up heroin, they are going to do so, and while I find it deeply saddening, it is their choice. I personally would prefer as I've said many times that we adopt the Portuguese model of fighting drug dependency. They decriminalized all drugs. That doesn't mean they legalized them, but you no longer go to jail for drug possession. Think about how much our court system and jail system would save on that alone. Instead, anyone caught with drugs is given the opportunity to seek treatment free of charge. They can also choose to keep doing drugs, but Portugal has seen a dramatic decrease in drug use as a result of this approach, and a dramatic decrease in their prison population. Our war on drugs has done nothing to help the country. In fact I blame the current approach for the violent gang and drug cartel issues that we have. I wish we would learn our lesson from prohibition. Very interesting! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 24, 2014 15:39:38 GMT
Doesn't this now classify it the same as Ritalin and other ADHD meds? If so, I'm surprised it wasn't already.
The politics and games played with legalities are ridiculous. But I'm still sorry for those needing it and now faced with the hassle.
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Post by jojam on Aug 24, 2014 17:33:39 GMT
In my opinion we would need to take a completely different approach to drug use. The war on drugs has had no effect in stemming drug use and addiction. So why do we keep fighting it? One, as I've said many times. It's their body. If they want to destroy it with chemicals. It's their body, their choice. Not our issue. We criminalize the resultant behaviors as we do with drunk driving, but if a person wants to shoot up heroin, they are going to do so, and while I find it deeply saddening, it is their choice. I personally would prefer as I've said many times that we adopt the Portuguese model of fighting drug dependency. They decriminalized all drugs. That doesn't mean they legalized them, but you no longer go to jail for drug possession. Think about how much our court system and jail system would save on that alone. Instead, anyone caught with drugs is given the opportunity to seek treatment free of charge. They can also choose to keep doing drugs, but Portugal has seen a dramatic decrease in drug use as a result of this approach, and a dramatic decrease in their prison population. Our war on drugs has done nothing to help the country. In fact I blame the current approach for the violent gang and drug cartel issues that we have. I wish we would learn our lesson from prohibition. The prison lobby and drug cartels have invested too much money in getting politicians elected to keep their businesses 'healthy' to ever let this happen.
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Post by knotlazy on Aug 24, 2014 17:55:41 GMT
Thanks for the heads up on this. This will add to my already heavy burden of taking care of my mom. She has been on hydrocodone for years for spinal stenosis.
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Post by knotlazy on Aug 24, 2014 18:46:20 GMT
wenchie, I'm reading the link from the DEA....do I understand correctly that this regards hydrocodone combination products and not just hydrocodone? I think my Mom takes hydrocodone with no other drug combined. That is already a schedule 2 drug so the way she gets her prescription now won't change?
Or do I totally not know what I'm talking about?
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Post by zella on Aug 24, 2014 19:36:21 GMT
scrap suzy, the reason this is NOT a good thing is that for the vast majority of people who take this medication, who don't abuse it, getting the medication will be more difficult. For example, someone whose pain makes leaving the house difficult now has to pick up a paper prescription monthly.
For myself it will be an inconvenience, but I only get a Rx for it perhaps a couple of times a year. I use it for my worst migraines and other pain because I can't use most painkillers, including ibuprofen and Aleve. It barely works for me, and I certainly don't get any positive sensations (I don't feel high), so it's rare that I even use 2 in one day. I don't think my doctor will require a visit for each Rx; she hasn't in the past.
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Post by brandonsmom on Aug 24, 2014 23:18:58 GMT
Dh has to take it when his back goes out. Just last week the dr. called it in, & faxed it & the pharmacy wouldn't accept it. So they gave me the hard copy & I had to show Dh's I.D. even though he was sitting next to me & this is where he gets his rx filled.
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Post by melanell on Aug 25, 2014 0:11:43 GMT
No one in my family needs a RX that will be affected, but I still think it's awful to make people already suffering with medical issues to have to go through these extra hoops.
I'm sorry that so many will have to deal with this extra hassle.
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Post by katiekaty on Aug 25, 2014 0:31:47 GMT
I can only see this as a good thing. In total agreement. Pain should be evaluated on an ongoing basis. It is irresponsible for a doctor to just write prescriptions/refills without evaluating and re-evaluating a patients needs regularly. Hydrocodone and many pain meds were never meant to be prescribed an a continuous ongoing thing for years and years. The goal should be on an emphasis of finding and correcting the issue causing the pain and other ways of pain management rather than just prescribing a pill will continuous unre-evaluated refills.
And yes, I do suffer with chronic pain daily. I have some wonderful doctors who believe in treating the source of the pain and not the symptom.
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Post by dazeepetals on Aug 25, 2014 1:09:47 GMT
wenchie, I'm reading the link from the DEA....do I understand correctly that this regards hydrocodone combination products and not just hydrocodone? I think my Mom takes hydrocodone with no other drug combined. That is already a schedule 2 drug so the way she gets her prescription now won't change? Or do I totally not know what I'm talking about? This new ruling is in regards to the combination product. Hydrocodone ER (Zohydro) is already a CII controlled substance and already has these stringent rules about a new prescription with each fill. So, no her prescription won't change any.
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Post by traceys on Aug 25, 2014 1:10:27 GMT
What would make you think that others doctors *dont* evaluate their situation on an on-going basis? For people with chronic pain, and conditions that are relatively stable, monthly evaluations are not needed. Some things aren't going to get better without surgery that will bring it's own set of problems and people should not have to live in pain if they can be helped.
What works for you may not work for everyone.
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Post by farmdpea on Aug 25, 2014 1:29:24 GMT
What would make you think that others doctors *dont* evaluate their situation on an on-going basis? For people with chronic pain, and conditions that are relatively stable, monthly evaluations are not needed. Some things aren't going to get better without surgery that will bring it's own set of problems and people should not have to live in pain if they can be helped. What works for you may not work for everyone. Because some prescribers give scripts for pain meds as if they were candy, unfortunately.
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Post by traceys on Aug 25, 2014 1:34:27 GMT
What would make you think that others doctors *dont* evaluate their situation on an on-going basis? For people with chronic pain, and conditions that are relatively stable, monthly evaluations are not needed. Some things aren't going to get better without surgery that will bring it's own set of problems and people should not have to live in pain if they can be helped. What works for you may not work for everyone. Because some prescribers give scripts for pain meds as if they were candy, unfortunately. Then *that* is the situation that needs to be addressed.
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Post by farmdpea on Aug 25, 2014 1:37:32 GMT
I agree completely.
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Post by magentapea on Aug 25, 2014 2:20:58 GMT
My DS is on Concerta for ADHD. He sees his dr every three months and she writes 3 prescriptions for it at once (one dated that day, one dated 30 days later, and one for another 30 days after that). He only has one office visit and I have 3 hard copies to turn in to the pharmacy. Perhaps that is an option for some of you.
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Post by shevy on Aug 25, 2014 2:33:41 GMT
I can only see this as a good thing. In total agreement. Pain should be evaluated on an ongoing basis. It is irresponsible for a doctor to just write prescriptions/refills without evaluating and re-evaluating a patients needs regularly. Hydrocodone and many pain meds were never meant to be prescribed an a continuous ongoing thing for years and years. The goal should be on an emphasis of finding and correcting the issue causing the pain and other ways of pain management rather than just prescribing a pill will continuous unre-evaluated refills.
And yes, I do suffer with chronic pain daily. I have some wonderful doctors who believe in treating the source of the pain and not the symptom.
I've been through 12 years of pain treatments, pain clinics, expiramental pain treatments. The reality is that my pain is not going to get better. There is no treatment that I've not tried (and I've tried everything offered to me). There is no solution to my pain. I've been on the same low dose of pain meds for 14 years. I see my doctor every 5 months for monitoring. After almost 25 years of this I know my triggers, my weak spots and what works. And so does my doctor. Now I'll be paying $230/month out of pocket plus the cost of the meds for the same treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 2:48:30 GMT
It's weird to me a pain med was just required to have a hard copy. My daughter's ADD med must have a hard copy, no refills. It is a small dose also. It is very annoying. The doctor is 45 minutes away. I've heard about college students abusing ADD meds. Blahh; it sucks. wenchie I saw a report on my local news and they said heroin abuse was going up and prescription med abuse going down.
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Post by doesitmatter on Aug 25, 2014 3:02:45 GMT
my doctor drug tested me for the first time at my last appointment, I was kind of shocked but she said its required now for everything. Every 2 months I will be drug tested and required to pay my dr copay AND test co pay now ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) Huh? Did I miss the connection? are you on pain meds and so being tested for drug use?
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Post by traceys on Aug 25, 2014 3:58:37 GMT
my doctor drug tested me for the first time at my last appointment, I was kind of shocked but she said its required now for everything. Every 2 months I will be drug tested and required to pay my dr copay AND test co pay now ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) Huh? Did I miss the connection? are you on pain meds and so being tested for drug use? Testing was part of the KY law a couple of years ago when they mandated that you see the doctor personally every other month. But in this case, the objective is for you to have a *positive* drug test, which they decided would prove that you are taking your pills instead of selling them. (Because, you know, someone selling their meds would not be smart enough to take one when they are going to be tested.....)
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Post by doesitmatter on Aug 25, 2014 4:03:49 GMT
Huh? Did I miss the connection? are you on pain meds and so being tested for drug use? Testing was part of the KY law a couple of years ago when they mandated that you see the doctor personally every other month. But in this case, the objective is for you to have a *positive* drug test, which they decided would prove that you are taking your pills instead of selling them. (Because, you know, someone selling their meds would not be smart enough to take one when they are going to be tested.....) Thanks for explaining it.
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